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Old 09-22-2022, 05:56 AM
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I take the FAA’s statement on the 3 month extension as a way out for them. They told the hobby what they wanted and the hobby responded with inaction. I consider this inaction a display of intent not to comply. The manufacturers realize the damage this will create and thus loss of sales. It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the long run. The FAA has zero jurisdiction to force the manufacturers to produce anything. Of course this only deals with the traditional set. I have no doubt that DJI is compliant as they truly fit in the general public’s definition of drone. It also allows them to continue their information gathering on US citizens.
Old 09-22-2022, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie View Post
I take the FAA’s statement on the 3 month extension as a way out for them. They told the hobby what they wanted and the hobby responded with inaction. I consider this inaction a display of intent not to comply. The manufacturers realize the damage this will create and thus loss of sales. It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the long run. The FAA has zero jurisdiction to force the manufacturers to produce anything. Of course this only deals with the traditional set. I have no doubt that DJI is compliant as they truly fit in the general public’s definition of drone. It also allows them to continue their information gathering on US citizens.
Too soon to read anything into it when it's a year away. DJI didn't announce until the day thereof. One question, who keeps track of serial numbers? Users are required to register the serial number on their FAA account. The The FAA already added it to the website for store-bought drones.
  • Physical address and mailing address (if different from physical address)
  • Email address
  • Phone number
  • Make and model of your drone
  • Specific Remote ID serial number provided by the manufacturer (if applicable)
  • Credit or debit card
No more "UAS". There are drones and then those other thingies old men get together and fly around in circles.
Old 09-22-2022, 02:11 PM
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I do not fly around in circles LOL.
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Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie View Post
I do not fly around in circles LOL.
Vertical circles.
Old 09-22-2022, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ECHO24 View Post
..... those other thingies old men get together and fly around in circles.
Old men? , , , Hell, , I'm SO old I remember back to when "Circle Flying" wasn't an insult.......






Old 09-22-2022, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ECHO24 View Post
Vertical circles.

Old 09-22-2022, 05:56 PM
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still just fancy circles...
Old 09-22-2022, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mongo View Post
still just fancy circles...
I suppose it would seem so to some.
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Originally Posted by mongo View Post
still just fancy circles...
Careful! There are some fragile egos in here.....
LOL

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Originally Posted by astrohog View Post
Careful! There are some fragile egos in here.....
LOL

Astro
Yep and so far there are two guys clearly putting theirs on display.
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speedracerntrixie has lost the plot. The analogy was drones vs RC planes not how fancy you do it. We look AT ours, they look THROUGH theirs. The most famous FAA penalty at the moment is a $182,000 fine the FAA slapped on a YouTuber named Mikey for illegal drone flights. In a pity-poor-me interview he complained about going through his re-education counseling with FAA "counselors" until he ended up with Department of Justice lawyer who told him he should only be flying at a - some kind of "park" - as he struggled to come up with the name until the guy interviewing him helped out. He was completely lost on what an AMA field was, like it was a foreign country.

Mikey told the DOJ lawyer, "Excuse me, it's a drone, a camera drone. They're not meant to fly in circles. They're meant to capture the beauty of the world".

Mikey is a joke, but the point is we are so far back in the bus we don't even rank as "UAS". Because that is how it is set up. We are an exception to the exception for these "aerial imagining" RC aircraft. We fly "legacy" model aircraft.

Edit: It should read (aerial) imaging, "imagining" describes the FPV lunatics like Mikey who think they are flying like a bird while wearing FPV goggles.

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Old 09-23-2022, 05:06 AM
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Nope, my plot is one of optimism, yours is pessimistic.
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Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie View Post
Nope, my plot is one of optimism, yours is pessimistic.
It's not a matter of opinion, AMA and the RC flying hobby will be hollowed out over time with no pool of potential new members.

Bob Violett years ago predicted what was going to happen in his open letter to AMA in 2014, "If we lose the battle with the FAA in trying to protect FPV (and we certainly will), we may completely lose our freedom to operate model airplanes. If you truly want to kill a hobby and associated legitimate businesses, let the government get involved. Do we really want to have local police watching every model airplane activity?" This was when AMA sued the FAA over FPV. This was the doing of Rich Hanson, then AMA Director of Government Affairs who actually was running the whole show.

July 8, 2014
From: Bob Violett
To: AMA President Bob Brown
CC: Dave Mathewson, Rich Hanson
Re: Response to FAA Model Aircraft Rule Interpretation

Gentleman,

During the last few years, I have been concerned about the ramifications of FPV on
our hobby. I have stated so in two letters to the AMA in October and December of
2012 that I believe the FPV will attract unnecessary attention to our hobby by various
governmental agencies. It now appears that my observation was correct, but our AMA
has actually been encouraging this activity.

I agree with the portion of the FAA ruling interpretation that describes a model aircraft
operation to be "line of sight" only with no visual enhancement beyond normal
corrective eyeglasses. They actually referred to our AMA Safety Code.
It cannot be denied that FPV operations contribute to the blurring of the line of
distinction between a model airplane and a sUAS.*

Instead of the AMA doing everything possible to maintain that distinction, you have
adopted and embraced the FPV enthusiasts, falsely thinking that a few rules could
contain this activity. The AMA's opinion that somehow documents #550 and #560 will
suffice to control the FPV menace, is true fantasy. The AMA has shown multiple
times in the past that it is unwilling to discipline any of its members for Safety Code
Violations.

Anecdotal evidence that the line of distinction is blurred, is that many people (the
public) refer to R/C Model Aircraft now as "Drones". I have heard these comments
from spectators at multiple model aircraft events. At these events, I have also listened
to FPV enthusiasts brag that they have flown there vehicles 2-5 miles away from their
launch location. They could care less that their activities threaten our hobby.

In my opinion, the AMA will never reverse the FPV ban by the FAA. When a federal
agency is charged with "public safety", their easiest response, is to say "NO".
If we lose the battle with the FAA in trying to protect FPV (and we certainly will), we
may completely lose our freedom to operate model airplanes. If you truly want to kill a
hobby and associated legitimate businesses, let the government get involved. Do we
really want to have local police watching every model airplane activity?

We should be able to demonstrate to the FAA that we can self police and relieve
them of what they see as their obligation in this regard. I know that it is difficult for
people and organizations thereof, to admit that they previously exercised bad
judgment. But, we must now divorce ourselves from any perception that a model
airplane is a "drone".

I observed that the AMA actually had a booth and personnel present at the 2014
*AUVSI convention in Orlando, Florida. Could you explain to the membership what
you hoped to accomplish there? AMA funds must be plentiful to have spent several
thousand dollars of our dues money for that venture.

So, it is my suggestion that the AMA agree with the FAA about FPV and get back to
the AMA Safety Code relative to "line-of-sight" limitations.

Absolutely, the AMA should challenge the FAA ruling regarding prohibition of
commercial activity with model airplanes. Denying pay for one's services seems
beyond the FAA's power and seems contrary to the U.S. Constitution, and will cost
thousands of jobs in the U.S.A..

Sincerely, Bob Violett

Brief Bio: Former Navy Fighter/Attack pilot, airline pilot, model airplane pilot with many
prestigious awards, AMA Hall of Fame member, and sUAS pilot at Aberdeen Prooving
Grounds in Maryland and Avon Park, Florida.

Edit: Here's AMA's lawsuit vs FAA filed the following month arguing against "restrictions on the use of “first person view”
systems to control model aircraft" specifically in support for drones, and this as well, "restrictions on the use of private
property at low altitudes (in non-navigable airspace) for aeromodeling activities."
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