New FAA regs released
10-24-2022, 10:45 AM
#2
Thread Starter
Well, here it is guys & gals, read up and then post up your thoughts/agreements/tirades at will.
The fact that they codified night flying is one ray of hope for your's truly......
The fact that they codified night flying is one ray of hope for your's truly......
10-24-2022, 11:48 AM
#4
Senior Member
Originally Posted by mongo
well, i have been unable to find any CBOs entered into the list of CBO that they link to in the new AC. hell, i can't even find the list.
the link just goes to an overview page. lot of links there, but, none take me to this list of approved CBOs.
the link just goes to an overview page. lot of links there, but, none take me to this list of approved CBOs.
7.2 Upcoming Guidance.
7.2.1 CBO Requirements and Procedures. The FAA intends to provide further information on how organizations can be recognized by the FAA as official CBOs.
After submission up to 90 days for approval.
10-25-2022, 03:14 AM
#5
1.1.1 Effects of Guidance. The contents of this document do not have the force and effect of law and are not meant to bind the public in any way, and the document is intended only to provide information to the public regarding existing requirements under the law or agency policies
Watch, some are going to jump all over the italicized part and ignore the bold part.
Watch, some are going to jump all over the italicized part and ignore the bold part.
10-25-2022, 05:10 AM
#6
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by rgburrill
1.1.1 Effects of Guidance. The contents of this document do not have the force and effect of law and are not meant to bind the public in any way, and the document is intended only to provide information to the public regarding existing requirements under the law or agency policies
Watch, some are going to jump all over the italicized part and ignore the bold part.
Watch, some are going to jump all over the italicized part and ignore the bold part.
10-25-2022, 10:45 AM
#7
Originally Posted by mongo
well, i have been unable to find any CBOs entered into the list of CBO that they link to in the new AC. hell, i can't even find the list.
the link just goes to an overview page. lot of links there, but, none take me to this list of approved CBOs.
the link just goes to an overview page. lot of links there, but, none take me to this list of approved CBOs.
The AMA has already completed the application to be a CBO
10-25-2022, 11:50 AM
#8
well, so much for all the folks trying to tell us for a few years that AMA was already approved, we just had to wait for the right time for the announcement. or this one, that the FAA would not announce that AMA was approved uintil there was some other CBO to approve as well.
10-25-2022, 03:33 PM
#10
Senior Member
Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey
There's nothing to do with any other CBO's.
The FAA has been referring to the AMA as A or THE CBO for some time conversationally. Though they never codified the process, now they have and when the application process is complete the AMA will be a CBO.
The FAA has been referring to the AMA as A or THE CBO for some time conversationally. Though they never codified the process, now they have and when the application process is complete the AMA will be a CBO.
One could surmise from the new AC that the FAA has had enough of AMA and their lies over the years. Not only does the FAA say that anyone can form a CBO on any aspect of RC aviation, as much or as little as someone wants, the FAA also says about a safety program - No problem, you can use the generic one on the FAA website. My guess is this is aimed at Flight Test and maybe other more appealing groups the FAA has dealt with who didn't try to sue them and fight the FAA every step of the way.
10-28-2022, 05:35 PM
#14
Senior Member
Originally Posted by franklin_m
Already FOIA'd it ....
10-28-2022, 06:23 PM
#15
Originally Posted by ECHO24
Going by the new AC the FAA is promoting targeted CBO's, electric only for example. Look for clubs to jump ship as soon as there is a viable alternative to AMA. Flight Test is a lot more upbeat than the deadheads at AMA. In a declining RC market it won't take too many defections to put AMA in a bad financial position.
however, it will make it somewhat more expensive for those of us with more than one main area of interest and participation<sadface>.
10-28-2022, 08:12 PM
#19
Senior Member
Originally Posted by mongo
agree with your interpretation
however, it will make it somewhat more expensive for those of us with more than one main area of interest and participation<sadface>.
however, it will make it somewhat more expensive for those of us with more than one main area of interest and participation<sadface>.
10-29-2022, 03:32 AM
#20
Originally Posted by ECHO24
Going by the new AC the FAA is promoting targeted CBO's, electric only for example. Look for clubs to jump ship as soon as there is a viable alternative to AMA. Flight Test is a lot more upbeat than the deadheads at AMA. In a declining RC market it won't take too many defections to put AMA in a bad financial position.
FAA's comment about turbines for example, saying essentially that groups which do not operate them do not need to have safety programming for them. Similarly groups that operate ONLY turbines are now free to break off from AMA and set up their own CBO. Setting up a non-profit is pretty easy as told to me by a Marine lawyer friend. He said it's mostly a paperwork drill. Don't even need to be a lawyer to do it.
10-29-2022, 04:02 AM
#21
Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey
Good for you
Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
Great, we have something to look forward to in 3 to 6 months.
Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
Doesn’t a CBO need to be a non profit?
Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it appears that Flight Test is a for profit organization. Do they have 501C status?
https://ftca.flitetest.com/about/
Last edited by franklin_m; 10-29-2022 at 05:26 AM.
10-29-2022, 06:02 AM
#23
Originally Posted by astrohog
How does it appear any different than the AMA to you?
Astro
Astro
10-29-2022, 07:15 AM
#24
Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
Insurance. That is going to be the key to any other CBO to be c
competitive with AMA.
competitive with AMA.
Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
Property owners need the insurance and clubs need it to be affordable.
There's a non-trivial number of people already doing this. Imagine them all banding together under a very simple umbrella organization that saves considerable money, brings the same ability to point to safety rules, AND brings the ability to establish FRIAs as part of a bonafide CBO!
Last edited by franklin_m; 10-29-2022 at 07:28 AM.
10-29-2022, 07:29 AM
#25
Senior Member
I don't know about Flight Test's plans, but they have over 2 million subscribers and off-sight RC is many times larger than AMA. At the moment those people have no need for a CBO, but what Flight Test could offer is a member discount on their planes and RC gear. They could go after as many of those people as possible and then at some point try to recruit AMA clubs. The same could happen with big drone parts suppliers like RaceDayQuads launching a CBO focused on drone racing and offer a member discount. Similarly, RDQ could try to flip existing AMA sites and establish new ones.
AMA's reputation has been trashed by the heavy-handed blunders in their various attempts to branch out from fixed sites. Upstarts like Flight Test are the next generation of RC and don't have AMA's baggage or bloated staff and $100,000+ salaries to support.
AMA's reputation has been trashed by the heavy-handed blunders in their various attempts to branch out from fixed sites. Upstarts like Flight Test are the next generation of RC and don't have AMA's baggage or bloated staff and $100,000+ salaries to support.
