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Old 12-30-2022, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
And what GIF would that be? I just went back through this thread and saw nothing that could be viewed as "simulating my death". As far as what's allowed on "my square dance forum", there isn't one. There are websites operated by various festivals, clubs, councils and states but no actual forum.
For the record, I don't advocate conduct that could lead to harming someone. I also don't hold a grudge against anyone for what they post in the forums. While I may not agree with or condone what they post, with a very few exceptions do I hold a grudge against them. If it's taken off the web, however, as happened to me in a different forum several years ago, it's a whole different story.
It's the one with the head blowing up by your new best friend, Jabba the troll. That would be flagged and blocked anywhere else, just like other hundred or so troll posts. And you throw a fit over couple of salty comments (now edited). What else would you like to be called when all you know about RC flying is whatever Franklin tells you? Boats and square dancing are your thing. You're on a model aircraft forum.


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Originally Posted by ECHO24
It's the one with the head blowing up by your new best friend, Jabba the troll. That would be flagged and blocked anywhere else, just like other hundred or so. And you throw a fit over couple of salty comments (now edited). What else would you like to be called when all you know about RC flying is whatever Franklin tells you? Boats and square dancing are your thing. You're on a model aircraft forum.
"Simulating my death" he said.....dude you are too much...!!!
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Originally Posted by ECHO24
It's the one with the head blowing up by your new best friend, Jabba the troll. That would be flagged and blocked anywhere else, just like other hundred or so troll posts. And you throw a fit over couple of salty comments (now edited). What else would you like to be called when all you know about RC flying is whatever Franklin tells you? Boats and square dancing are your thing. You're on a model aircraft forum.
I know this is a model aircraft forum. You must think I'm totally stupid to not realize that. For the record, I built my first plane, an OS 25FP powered Kadet Jr, back in 1986. I have two more under construction as well, both from plans since the kit is no longer produced. When those are done, I have three more large aircraft to build, those all being 50cc sized. Haven't decided on which one will be first, just that I have plans for a Katana, Edge and Pitts model 12. They are all basically on the back burner until the FAA gets its act together with the RID requirements. Neither of the Kadets are going to be stock builds since I'm not restricted by factory made parts. When they are all completed, then I'm looking at a WWI warbird, just for the fun of building it.
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
I know this is a model aircraft forum. You must think I'm totally stupid to not realize that. For the record, I built my first plane, an OS 25FP powered Kadet Jr, back in 1986. I have two more under construction as well, both from plans since the kit is no longer produced. When those are done, I have three more large aircraft to build, those all being 50cc sized. Haven't decided on which one will be first, just that I have plans for a Katana, Edge and Pitts model 12. They are all basically on the back burner until the FAA gets its act together with the RID requirements. Neither of the Kadets are going to be stock builds since I'm not restricted by factory made parts. When they are all completed, then I'm looking at a WWI warbird, just for the fun of building it.
anyone can see he's just grasping at straws with his trollish .."BUT but but you aren't a plane flyer..!!!."
As a "regular" at this forum it's a safe bet you are more informed about what's going on at AMA /FAA HQ than the typical AMA member.

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Old 12-30-2022, 06:08 PM
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I know, he's trying to get me "rattled". Unfortunately for him, I've worked in the commercial aviation industry for roughly 15 years, and that's after working in military aviation for roughly 5 more years. I guess 20 years in the aviation industry means I don't have a clue as to what it takes to build and fly an R/C or how to deal with the FAA. If you add to that the fact that I've been working on cars and various kinds of equipment since I was three AND that I've worked on restoring and maintaining several full-sized unlimited hydroplanes, including the Breathless II, Slo-Mo-Shun V and the 1973 Pay'N Pak, I think I know my way around most things that float, roll and fly. I mentioned in my last post that I built my first plane in 1986, that wasn't my first R/C. My first was built 4 years prior, that being a Dumas sport 20 Pay'N Pak kit build. I later built a redesigned Pak using a Dumas kit as templates
Still needs to be painted but, other than that, she's ready to run and has in Evansville Indiana

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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
I know, he's trying to get me "rattled". Unfortunately for him, I've worked in the commercial aviation industry for roughly 15 years, and that's after working in military aviation for roughly 5 more years. I guess 20 years in the aviation industry means I don't have a clue as to what it takes to build and fly an R/C or how to deal with the FAA. If you add to that the fact that I've been working on cars and various kinds of equipment since I was three AND that I've worked on restoring and maintaining several full-sized unlimited hydroplanes, including the Breathless II, Slo-Mo-Shun V and the 1973 Pay'N Pak, I think I know my way around most things that float, roll and fly. I mentioned in my last post that I built my first plane in 1986, that wasn't my first R/C. My first was built 4 years prior, that being a Dumas sport 20 Pay'N Pak kit build.
i'll tell you what. HJ..with the projects and work history you have just listed .....you are much more invested in this hobby than someone who just uses his credit card to pretend that he is a full fledged member of our fraternity.
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Here's two pictures of my largest project to date, helping with the restoration of the Slo-Mo-Shun V. These were taken in the rebuild shop area at the HYDROPLANE AND RACEBOAT MUSEUM a few years ago. It was moved there due to an event going on in the actual display area that required more room. This rebuild shop was also the site where the replica 1979 Miss Squire Shop was constructed over the past two or three years


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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
Here's two pictures of my largest project to date, helping with the restoration of the Slo-Mo-Shun V. These were taken in the rebuild shop area at the HYDROPLANE AND RACEBOAT MUSEUM a few years ago. It was moved there due to an event going on in the actual display area that required more room. This rebuild shop was also the site where the replica 1979 Miss Squire Shop was constructed over the past two or three years
WOW...!!!
What a thrill it must be to see your efforts take shape and once again fly across the water....!!

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You mean like shown in this video?
In this video, you can see the Miss America X, visible over the stern of the Mo, right at the beginning of the video. You can also see the U-25 Miss Skip-A-Long over the Mo's bow. The Skip-A-Long was the first all-aluminum hydroplane and used a "V" drive. She sank in Lake Tahoe(IIRC) in 1949 and had been only recently recovered when this video was taken
Roger Newton, the crew chief, is the first guy with his back to the camera
Ted Jones, who came up with the basic design for the boat, was shown signing collector cards
Ken Muskatel, who was one of the people who owned the boat, as well as paid for the materials to restore it, is the guy with the beard with his back to the camera as well as the driver for the test run

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Slo-mo-shun looks like it is riding on rails across that choppy water.
Did Ken Muskatel make his fortune selling "fortified wine"...?
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Nope, he got his money the old-fashioned way, he inherited most of it. Apparently, his parents were more than just well off and, when his mother died, he was the one in her will. It also doesn't hurt that he's a practicing forensic psychologist
Just so you know, that choppy water is the hydroplane course on Lake Washington.
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
I know this is a model aircraft forum. You must think I'm totally stupid to not realize that. For the record, I built my first plane, an OS 25FP powered Kadet Jr, back in 1986. I have two more under construction as well, both from plans since the kit is no longer produced. When those are done, I have three more large aircraft to build, those all being 50cc sized. Haven't decided on which one will be first, just that I have plans for a Katana, Edge and Pitts model 12. They are all basically on the back burner until the FAA gets its act together with the RID requirements. Neither of the Kadets are going to be stock builds since I'm not restricted by factory made parts. When they are all completed, then I'm looking at a WWI warbird, just for the fun of building it.
You don't fly RC now and haven't for 26 years. A 50cc plane isn't a 25 Kadet. If you have any sense you'll join an AMA club and find someone who knows what they're are doing to check those planes out and maiden them. Even then you will need some more stick time on something else so you don't kill someone. Sounds like an RC fantasy anyway.

I built an 8' Cub two years ago, 50CC gas, 24" inch prop. It's a 5HP flying chain saw controlled by hobby electronics that could cut someone in pieces if something went wrong. I haven't even started it and probably never will. The only reason it isn't electric is it costs 3 times vs. gas at that scale. In retrospect I'll either convert to electric or scrap it.
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Originally Posted by ECHO24
You don't fly RC now and haven't for 26 years. A 50cc plane isn't a 25 Kadet. If you have any sense you'll join an AMA club and find someone who knows what they're are doing to check those planes out and maiden them. Even then you will need some more stick time on something else so you don't kill someone. Sounds like an RC fantasy anyway.
I don't need to join an AMA club since the AMA isn't going to be around much longer due to its fiscal irresponsibility. As far as checking out the planes, they are no different than my boats. A new boat isn't put into competition without serious testing since, just like an aircraft, it can kill if it's not set up properly. In fact, there are two threads that are on exactly that subject in the boating forum. Here are links to them, so you don't need to try to find them:
RC Boat Fatalities - News stories. PLEASE BE SAFE (updated 2-8-2011 - RCU Forums (rcuniverse.com)
Why not to swim after your boat - RCU Forums (rcuniverse.com)

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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
I don't need to join an AMA club since the AMA isn't going to be around much longer due to its fiscal irresponsibility. As far as checking out the planes, they are no different than my boats. A new boat isn't put into competition without serious testing since, just like an aircraft, it can kill if it's not set up properly. In fact, there are two threads that are on exactly that subject in the boating forum. Here are links to them, so you don't need to try to find them:
RC Boat Fatalities - News stories. PLEASE BE SAFE (updated 2-8-2011 - RCU Forums (rcuniverse.com)
Why not to swim after your boat - RCU Forums (rcuniverse.com)
Is this autism? 7 people drowned swimming out to retrieve RC boats. Just like RC flying.
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Is this autism? 7 people drowned swimming out to retrieve RC boats. Just like RC flying.
NO, it's not autism. It's inexperience with the boats and not being able to recover them due to lack of recovery gear. Someone that knows about boats would know what is needed to recover a disabled boat and how dangerous they can be if run with people or animals in the immediate vicinity. The rudder and, if equipped, turn fin, can be extremely sharp. Even more dangerous is the prop. Unlike an aircraft prop, a boat prop is made from stainless steel or beryllium copper, is balanced, polished and sharpened to the point of being razor sharp. My 67 spins up to 28K RPM and can remove a finger in a fraction of a second. Even if the rudder, fin and prop don't make contact with anyone/anything, a boat hitting someone at 50+ miles per hour can still kill and have done so in the past.

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NO, it's not autism. It's inexperience with the boats and not being able to recover them due to lack of recovery gear. Someone that knows about boats would know what is needed to recover a disabled boat and how dangerous they can be if run with people or animals in the immediate vicinity. The rudder and, if equipped, turn fin, can be extremely sharp. Even more dangerous is the prop. Unlike an aircraft prop, a boat prop is made from stainless steel or beryllium copper, is balanced, polished and sharpened to the point of being razor sharp. My 67 spins up to 28K RPM and can remove a finger in a fraction of a second. Even if the rudder, fin and prop don't make contact with anyone/anything, a boat hitting someone at 50+ miles per hour can still kill and have done so in the past.
Just like flying a 50cc plane with a 24" prop. Give it a go. Maybe you'll only take out a windshield.
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And maybe I'll have no issues flying them at all. Flying a plane is no different than pulling a trailer or running a boat. You pay attention to the model/trailer and what's going on around it and you don't endanger anyone. If you are more concerned about showing off, someone will get hurt and it's not normally the one actually flying/driving
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Originally Posted by ECHO24
You don't fly RC now and haven't for 26 years. A 50cc plane isn't a 25 Kadet. If you have any sense you'll join an AMA club and find someone who knows what they're are doing to check those planes out and maiden them. Even then you will need some more stick time on something else so you don't kill someone. Sounds like an RC fantasy anyway.

I built an 8' Cub two years ago, 50CC gas, 24" inch prop. It's a 5HP flying chain saw controlled by hobby electronics that could cut someone in pieces if something went wrong. I haven't even started it and probably never will. .
^^^^^^^^SOUNDS LIKE AN RC FANTASY^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Originally Posted by ECHO24
I built an 8' Cub two years ago, 50CC gas, 24" inch prop. It's a 5HP flying chain saw controlled by hobby electronics that could cut someone in pieces if something went wrong. I haven't even started it and probably never will. The only reason it isn't electric is it costs 3 times vs. gas at that scale. In retrospect I'll either convert to electric or scrap it.
WAIT...You are in here judging peoples' model airplane skills/ability/experience and trying to tell them what they can and cannot post about based on that and you are afraid to fly a CUB? LOL Sounds like by your own standards, you have no business in this forum....

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WAIT...You are in here judging peoples' model airplane skills/ability/experience and trying to tell them what they can and cannot post about based on that and you are afraid to fly a CUB? LOL Sounds like by your own standards, you have no business in this forum....

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What I've learned real fast about him is...HE CAN SURE DISH IT OUT BUT HE CAN'T TAKE IT.
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And yet another fine example of, "Rules for thee, but not for me". LOL

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What I've learned real fast about him is...HE CAN SURE DISH IT OUT BUT HE CAN'T TAKE IT.
Echo's compadre, Speedy, is as bad or worse -- and a narcissist to boot!
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
Echo's compadre, Speedy, is as bad or worse -- and a narcissist to boot!
Well I want you to know that without the few WATCH DOGS we have in our society...the people in government would be getting away with much more than they do already.
So thanks for the time you spend looking out for the welfare of the AMA Members.
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I don't know, maybe Echo is learning that boats are probably more dangerous than planes. In my 40 years of building and running hydroplanes, I've seen several occasions where someone had to go to the ER due to serious cuts or lacerations. Most of these happened by inadvertent contact with the metal parts of the boat while it wasn't running, fortunately. I've never heard of anyone almost losing a hand from an aircraft propeller, but I have from hitting a turn fin on a hydroplane. I've seen a boat suddenly stop and then start going backwards due to the prop hitting a turtle and actually getting through the shell. The turtle was caught and taken to an animal hospital for treatment with the prop still imbedded in its shell
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
And maybe I'll have no issues flying them at all. Flying a plane is no different than pulling a trailer or running a boat. You pay attention to the model/trailer and what's going on around it and you don't endanger anyone. If you are more concerned about showing off, someone will get hurt and it's not normally the one actually flying/driving
Boat guy knows how to pull a trailer, so he'll have no issues at all flying a 20lb deadly weapon after 26 years since his Kadet Jr.

I don't see boat guy flying anything ever other than a keyboard. If he does I'm sure Franklin would advise him to crash a few foamies first before jumping to a plane that can kill someone.

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