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Old 01-03-2023, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ECHO24

Your new best friend just revived a year-old thread on 'Scratch Building, Aircraft Design, 3D/CAD', with some inane comment
Is this the "Inane Comment" I posted in Scratch Building that has you all worked up into a lather......?
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Old 01-03-2023, 09:31 PM
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This forum might just as well be dead too. I gave up looking for Astro's original post about the "reach around" with speed and RCGoups moderators. It was too much wading through the cesspool of all those comments. So I settled for speed's response.
Old 01-03-2023, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ECHO24
Just proves the point. I've been calling you illiterate for a while, not just "now". It's not the words you are oblivious of, it's perception. Following a thought isn't the same as reading a technical manual. Like not learning your lesson the first time about conspiring with someone behind everyone's back with PMs.
I saw it long ago, just wanted to see if you would actually come out and say it and, like the predictable creature you are, you did. Trust me, I can follow a thought as well as anyone. Your thought, through all your posts in this thread has been pretty transparent:
"If you're not part of the AMA or support the AMA, you are not a flyer and will be treated accordingly, like the unwashed refuse that you are"
Is that close enough? I tried to take a little "artistic license" with it as well. Unfortunately, for you anyway, some of us don't need a title or a number to be someone. I've seen plenty of losers over the years that have had to have a title. Many of those lost said title and would fight like heck to get it back. Most of them never did get their title back and, thus, became the same as those they looked down on previously.
Old 01-03-2023, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
I'm stuck in an infantile loop and I don't know how to get out of it.

Only one sure fire way, STFU.
Old 01-03-2023, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
I saw it long ago, just wanted to see if you would actually come out and say it
Right.
Old 01-03-2023, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ECHO24
This forum might just as well be dead too. I gave up looking for Astro's original post about the "reach around" with speed and RCGoups moderators. It was too much wading through the cesspool of all those comments. So I settled for speed's response.
What's your point? Talk about jibberish. LOL

You couldn't find my post so you posted speedy's emotional, bloviated response? Is that supposed to provide basis for your narrative? LOL

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Old 01-03-2023, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ECHO24
Only one sure fire way, STFU.
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"Your new best friend just revived a year-old thread on 'Scratch Building, Aircraft Design, 3D/CAD', with some inane comment"


Hey dude....Is this the "Inane Comment" I posted in Scratch Building that has you all worked up into a lather......?
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Explain to the rest of us what your problem is with this "inane comment" and what do you hope to gain by discussing my comments about a Goldberg Bipe project here...?

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Old 01-03-2023, 10:29 PM
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No NO NO ASTRO,
He doesn't have a narrative, he has a purpose. His purpose is to try to upset all of us so that we'll just give up and leave. It's too bad it's not going to work and, if he's not careful, he's going to get himself banned. For some reason, he seems to have forgotten that he's not at RCG so the admins there won't be able to save his sorry butt when he does get banned
Old 01-03-2023, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
No NO NO ASTRO,
He doesn't have a narrative, he has a purpose. His purpose is to try to upset all of us so that we'll just give up and leave. It's too bad it's not going to work and, if he's not careful, he's going to get himself banned. For some reason, he seems to have forgotten that he's not at RCG so the admins there won't be able to save his sorry butt when he does get banned
HJ he is obviously worried about us "conspiring" against him via PMs.....[lol].
What is the clinical term for people like that...?

Old 01-03-2023, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
HJ he is obviously worried about us "conspiring" against him via PMs.....[lol].
What is the clinical term for people like that...?

Paranoid, since it means he's not the one in control like he wants to be.
The part that is really pathetic is that I told Astro I would answer a question he asked in a PM for two simple reasons:
  1. I didn't want to fill up the thread with a conversation between Astro and I
  2. It took the chance of someone else getting the wrong impression out of the picture, or so I thought
If I really wanted to conspire against someone, would I really announce it in the thread?

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Old 01-03-2023, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
Paranoid, since it means he's not the one in control like he wants to be.
The part that is really pathetic is that I told Astro I would answer a question he asked in a PM for two simple reasons:
  1. I didn't want to fill up the thread with a conversation between Astro and I
  2. It took the chance of someone else getting the wrong impression out of the picture, or so I thought
If I really wanted to conspire against someone, would I really announce it in the thread?
EXACTLY.

TRUTH BOMBING RUN


Old 01-04-2023, 09:33 AM
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Hey init, I tried getting the ship back on course with the Embry-Riddle study but the hillbilly drama queens are having none of it.

The boat guy now thinks he's keeping the whole forum afloat. He takes 2 days off and poof, it all goes dark.
Old 01-04-2023, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ECHO24
Hey init, I tried getting the ship back on course with the Embry-Riddle study but the hillbilly drama queens are having none of it.

The boat guy now thinks he's keeping the whole forum afloat. He takes 2 days off and poof, it all goes dark.
Hi Echo, you and I are in total agreement about BLOS MRs posing a far greater risk to full scale flight than LOS fixed wing. The Embry Riddle study shows MR incursions happening at an alarming rate. This study was published in 2020 from data collected in 2019, I wonder how bad this problem has grown in the few years since....

The text of the study, for anyone who may have missed it;






"A dangerously close encounter between a camera drone and six F/A-18 Hornets flying in formation during a recent U.S. Navy Blue Angels demonstration over Detroit, Mich., confirms the latest aviation safety research released by Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University.

The study, published in the peer-reviewed International Journal of Aviation, Aeronautics, and Aerospace (IJAAA), reveals that aircraft are too often forced to share airspace with unauthorized drones. The latest frightening example of this problem took place on May 12, when video shows a camera drone encroaching on the flight path of six speeding jets performing aerobatic feats. The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is investigating the incident.

The vast majority of small unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) detected around Daytona Beach International Airport during a 30-day period in 2019 lacked approval from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), and more than one-third of those drones were flying higher than the law allows, Embry-Riddle researchers reported.

An FAA approval system for commercial and recreational drone flights in controlled airspace called LAANC (Low Altitude Authorization and Notification Capability) had been predicted to reduce noncompliant UAS operations by at least 30 percent within six months, researchers noted. “This voluntary approval process doesn’t seem to be working as expected,” said Embry-Riddle’s Dr. John M. Robbins, associate professor of Aeronautical Science.

Only 7 percent, or 19 of 271 detected DJI-type drone flights had approval from the FAA to fly in the locations and at the times they were flying, according to the study published IJAAA on April 23. In addition, 34.3 percent of the detected drones were exceeding legal altitude levels.

“Among the group flying too high, 32 were higher than 500 feet, six were detected above 1,000 feet, and three exceeded 1,500 feet, posing a real risk to manned aviation operations in the National Airspace System – particularly if most of those drones are not even authorized to be flying in controlled airspace,” said Dr. Ryan J. Wallace, assistant professor of Aeronautical Science at Embry-Riddle.

The findings are eye-opening and timely, given the FAA’s proposal to require Remote Identification – electronic tracking devices on drones, similar to the ADS-B tracking technology that is now mandatory on manned aircraft. "

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Old 01-04-2023, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by init4fun

"A dangerously close encounter between a camera drone and six F/A-18 Hornets flying in formation during a recent U.S. Navy Blue Angels demonstration over Detroit, Mich., confirms the latest aviation safety research released by Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University.


The findings are eye-opening and timely, given the FAA’s proposal to require Remote Identification – electronic tracking devices on drones, similar to the ADS-B tracking technology that is now mandatory on manned aircraft. "
Good morning init4fun...
Who couldn't have forseen all of these dangerous drone encounters with the public [even the military].......and of course the eventual take over of our hobby by the Federal Government...?
Was the AMA PROGRESSIVE LEADERSHIP so stupid...?
Nope...!
They just wanted to capitalize on the new technology no matter what the cost to their mermbership. Even if it meant selling off our freedom to Big Brother.
WAY BACK WHEN....when the AMA PROGRESSIVES first announced that ..."WE MUST BE ALL INCLUSIVE AND EMBRACE THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY AND MODE OF ENJOYING OUR HOBBY / SPORT"...where have we had this same basic order given to us in the "Real World"...?

WAY BACK WHEN..when the official legal terminology for our airplanes became DRONES ....what did AMA PROGRESSIVE LEADERSHIP and AMA Forum Sheeple have to say about that...?

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Originally Posted by ECHO24
Hey init, I tried getting the ship back on course with the Embry-Riddle study but the hillbilly drama queens are having none of it.

The boat guy now thinks he's keeping the whole forum afloat. He takes 2 days off and poof, it all goes dark.
Hey..aren't you the SILLY DRAMA QUEEN who called the HEAD EXPLOSION GIF a "simulation of your death"...?

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Originally Posted by init4fun
Hi Echo, you and I are in total agreement about BLOS MRs posing a far greater risk to full scale flight than LOS fixed wing. The Embry Riddle study shows MR incursions happening at an alarming rate. This study was published in 2020 from data collected in 2019, I wonder how bad this problem has grown in the few years since....
That is my point about Franklin. Any discussion about RC safety that doesn't address drones is a farce. Singling out AMA clubs is a double farce. Franklin's "safety" crusade is a vendetta over AMA rejecting an on-base AMA club Franklin tried to start years ago.
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
Good morning init4fun...
Who couldn't have forseen all of these dangerous drone encounters with the public [even the military].......and of course the eventual take over of our hobby by the Federal Government...?
Was the AMA PROGRESSIVE LEADERSHIP so stupid...?
Nope...!
They just wanted to capitalize on the new technology no matter what the cost to their mermbership. Even if it meant selling off our freedom to Big Brother.
WAY BACK WHEN....when the AMA PROGRESSIVES first announced that ..."WE MUST BE ALL INCLUSIVE AND EMBRACE THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY AND MODE OF ENJOYING OUR HOBBY / SPORT"...where have we had this same basic order given to us in the "Real World"...?

WAY BACK WHEN..when the official legal terminology for our airplanes became DRONES ....what did AMA PROGRESSIVE LEADERSHIP and AMA Forum Sheeple have to say about that...?
Hi CP, from the beginning of the AMA's "Romancing the Drone" campaign I knew it was gonna be trouble for us. Our organization should have circled the wagons in the way that MAAC did for their members, but chose instead to attempt to capitalize on forcing anyone holding a TX to be beholden to the $75 a year AMA tithe. And where are we now? I'd say getting pretty close to being regulated out of existence due to the somewhat well founded hysteria regarding BLOS drone flights. Even if the Embry Riddle study involved the entire USA those numbers woulda been bad enough, but those 252 illegal flights (272 total minus 19 legal) happened in a 30 day period happened near Daytona beach international airport. I wonder what the one year total of 2022 looked like for the entire country, thousands of illegal flights perhaps? And we're tied to that by the AMA's wanting "Growth" ???? Someone at the EC shoulda had the good common sense to see beyond the projected membership numbers to the fact that not all growth is good growth, , , Cancer is a growth and no one embraces that growth either.
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Originally Posted by ECHO24
That is my point about Franklin. Any discussion about RC safety that doesn't address drones is a farce. Singling out AMA clubs is a double farce. Franklin's "safety" crusade is a vendetta over AMA rejecting an on-base AMA club Franklin tried to start years ago.
I do believe that since BLOS multirotor flights are by their very nature more dangerous than LOS fixed wing, the two should be entirely separate classifications of flight with their own safety protocols reflecting the actual risk presented. No "freebies" of course, just proper safety protocols for each class of flight VS the "cookie cutter" approach of us being lumped in with the BLOS drones, a hobby that our only thing in common with is that we both use remote control.

No one flies a "traditional LOS model airplane" beyond their line of sight, doing so would be an instant crash. No "drone" that not part 107 with an authorized/approved flight plan is ever supposed to fly BLOS either, and yet such illegal operation appears to be primary mode of flight for them.

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Originally Posted by init4fun
Hi CP, from the beginning of the AMA's "Romancing the Drone" campaign I knew it was gonna be trouble for us. Our organization should have circled the wagons in the way that MAAC did the Embry Riddle study involved the entire USA those numbers woulda been bad enough, but those 252 illegal flights (272 total minus 19 legal) happened in a 30 day period happened near Daytona beach international airport. I wonder what the one year total of 2022 looked like for the entire country, thousands of illegal flights perhaps? And we're tied to that by the AMA's wanting "Growth" ???? Someone at the EC shoulda had the good common sense to see beyond the projected membership numbers to the fact that not all growth is good growth, , , Cancer is a growth and no one embraces that growth either.
WELL SAID...!!!
I never could have imagined what the actual numbers of close encounters with drones would have been.
Hopefully this "study" isn't deliberately hyped to help make the Federal Government's case to comandeer our hobby stronger.
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Originally Posted by init4fun
I do believe that since BLOS multirotor flights are by their very nature more dangerous than LOS fixed wing, the two should be entirely separate classifications of flight with their own safety protocols reflecting the actual risk presented. No "freebies" of course, just proper safety protocols for each class of flight VS the "cookie cutter" approach of us being lumped in with the BLOS drones, a hobby that our only thing in common with is that we both use remote control.

No one flies a "traditional LOS model airplane" beyond their line of sight, doing so would be an instant crash. No "drone" that not part 107 with an authorized/approved flight plan is ever supposed to fly BLOS either, and yet such illegal operation appears to be primary mode of flight for them.
There is no BVLOS under Part 107. That requires a waiver that only a tiny fraction of commercial operators would be able to get.
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Originally Posted by ECHO24
That is my point about Franklin. Any discussion about RC safety that doesn't address drones is a farce. Singling out AMA clubs is a double farce. Franklin's "safety" crusade is a vendetta over AMA rejecting an on-base AMA club Franklin tried to start years ago.
It's not the only thing that has singed his knickers and sent him down the road of vengeance against the AMA. Along with his application for a base club he applied for some sort of discount for active members of the military. I was told by an AMA official that in principle the discount proposal was accepted however the AMA wanted recognition like other organizations that gave military discounts but were refused. So I was told there it sits with both sides not able to come to terms and as such it has never been implemented.
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Originally Posted by Propworn
It's not the only thing that has singed his knickers and sent him down the road of vengeance against the AMA. Along with his application for a base club he applied for some sort of discount for active members of the military. I was told by an AMA official that in principle the discount proposal was accepted however the AMA wanted recognition like other organizations that gave military discounts but were refused. So I was told there it sits with both sides not able to come to terms and as such it has never been implemented.
What was the dollar amount of the discount that the AMA requires recognition of...?
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Originally Posted by ECHO24
Hey init, I tried getting the ship back on course with the Embry-Riddle study but the hillbilly drama queens are having none of it.
The boat guy now thinks he's keeping the whole forum afloat. He takes 2 days off and poof, it all goes dark.
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"Only one sure fire way, STFU".

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"Your new best friend just revived a year-old thread on 'Scratch Building, Aircraft Design, 3D/CAD', with some inane comment"


Hey dude....Is this the "Inane Comment" I posted in Scratch Building that has you all worked up into a lather......?
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Explain to the rest of us what your problem is with this "inane comment" and what do you hope to gain by disrespecting my comments about a Goldberg Biplane project at this forum....?
Put on your Big Boy Pants and explain yourself.

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Originally Posted by combatpigg
I'm wearing my big boy pants, a senior citizen posting lame memes

You mean these big boy pants?
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Hey init, ever see the hillbilly drama queens let a serious post go unchecked without an infantile outburst?

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