Hydro Junkie

Actually, at this time, it's a mute point. When I was based at NATTC Millington TN back in 1982, there was a guy that would fly a fairly large ducted fan F-16 off the main runway on Saturdays. When I was at NAS Whidbey Island, there was a Navy R/C flying club that was flying at the second runway site part way down the island in Coupeville. Millington is now a civilian GA site where the main runway is no longer used and a former taxiway is now the runway. The DOD has closed the gates on all R/C flying from military facilities several years ago so the club in Coupeville had to find another place to fly or fold up shop. So, with that said, what the AMA or Franklin were after is irrelevant since the DOD has made the final call by saying NO!!!

Propworn

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One little correction on MAAC circling the wagons. Truth be told our organization is about 13,000 members. Our staff is 12 zone directors and one president all volunteers receiving no pay/compensation except a minor expense account relative to the position they hold. We only have one paid employee and that is the office secretary.

This is not bragging or a comparison of if and how well we compare to the AMA, but it's the reason behind our not getting involved with those outside our membership. Transport Canada like the FAA really did not have the want to take on regulating the coming drone phenomena and like the FAA, offered the task to MAAC. It doesn't take a genius to see that MAAC did not have the resources to take on the task. MAAC would have no authority to enforce rules/laws that would have to come from or be approved by Transport Canada anyway, so the proposal was returned to Transport Canada as being unworkable.

MAAC worked with Transport Canada attempting to compromise a workable solution that would govern all RPAS flying in Canada. For over a year we flew with the same restrictions as everyone else and when things finally settled into place MAAC simply applied for an exemption and were granted one. MAAC did this without suing or fighting with Transport Canada and as such we have been co-operating with Transport Canada (members of MAAC invited to and sitting on the board of Transport Canada). We have had the privilege to self regulate without having Transport Canada interfering in our operations.

We consider all of this to be the result of hard work and trust between the two organizations and under no circumstances is it worth endangering this relationship. That is why when it was discovered that a few clubs had somehow been approved for flight into controlled airspace not only was it imperative to check out each and every club against the latest regs to make sure no others had slipped through. No one is to blame, no one believes any club or member has purposely misled or misrepresented the info on the applications. Our organization went through some major upgrades to bring us in line with the latest not for profit laws, and it's causing complications all down the line that have to be addressed. Our small group of 14 volunteer leaders are working to get things straightened out with this ban on flying being top priority.

Propworn

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Typical you cherry-pick one point and conveniently disregard the other. A change in policy is just that. Franky's knickers were twisted long before this change in policy and I don't see a change in his vendetta any time soon. Reminds me of a saying, " Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, nor hell a fury like a woman scorned”.

ECHO24

It's not even cherry picking, DOD didn't make the call on Franklin's club, AMA did. This is the guy who says he tests at college-level reading.

ECHO24

This latest phase of the forum is like a scene from 'A Clockwork Orange'.

combatpigg

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So in other words you aren't man enough to answer my challenge.
I could have EASILY TAKEN YOUR LEAD and made fun of the plane you posted in the Scratch Built Forum [with so far no replies]...but that would be beneath my standards..and seriously only something that a pre-adolescent. girl would do...!!

ECHO24

"what do you hope to gain by disrespecting my comments about a Goldberg Biplane project at this forum....?"

I didn't disrespect anything. I said a year-old thread was revived by an inane post putting it above mine. And there it sits rotting like a dead fish.

Hydro Junkie

And Echo says I can't read. Once again, HE'S THE ONE THAT ISN'T READING WHAT IS BEING SAID. I never said anything about what either side wanted. I simply said it's a mute point since the DOD closed the gates to all R/C activities that are not being run by the Navy's MWR commands. Since the club on Whidbey Island had a gentleman's agreement with the base CO's office, they could fly to their heart's content, but only when the base wasn't using the facility for aircrew training, it's primary function. When the DOD said no more, that agreement was no longer in affect and thus, the runway facilities that had been used previously were now closed. It doesn't matter what the AMA or Franklin wanted since it was the DOD that said no to everything. That's not "cherry picking" or anything else, it's stating a fact regardless on how you all want to try to twist it. It's no different than asking to use an on-base softball field complex to host a little league tournament. The tournament wouldn't be allowed for the same reason, it's not being run by MWR so, per DOD policy/regulations, it would also be a no go. There's nothing hard to understand or figure out, that is unless you're going to try to twist this into something it's not, something you seem to like to try to do

combatpigg

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It's not the only thing that has singed his knickers and sent him down the road of vengeance against the AMA. Along with his application for a base club he applied for some sort of discount for active members of the military. I was told by an AMA official that in principle the discount proposal was accepted however the AMA wanted recognition like other organizations that gave military discounts but were refused. So I was told there it sits with both sides not able to come to terms and as such it has never been implemented.


What was the dollar amount of the military discount that the AMA requires recognition of...?

combatpigg

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WHAT A LIAR...BUT YOU ONLY FOOL YOURSELF.
What did you hope to gain by using this forum to talk about my comments about a Goldberg Biplane project...?
Why didn't you use the Scratch Built forum [like any normal, well adjusted man would] to argue / debate with what I posted there...?

combatpigg

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Hey..aren't you the SILLY DRAMA QUEEN who called the HEAD EXPLOSION GIF a "simulation of your death"...?
Seriously..that was an all time classic that will make future generations of RCU subscribers laugh out loud...100 years from now...!!!

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ECHO24

In A Clockwork Orange there is a scene with "Alex" the protagonist in the rehabilitation center for his violence and drug addiction. He is dreaming about "The Big Book" (the Bible) picturing himself in the crucifixion march. In his vision it's not his conversion as you might imagine, rather he sees himself beating Jesus with a whip along with the Roman soldiers. That's the gist of this Uber Trollster invoking God for his unlimited firewood. Not the violence but the unreality. A supposed conservative with left-wing memes, an Antifa goon spouting Republican talking points. A Clockwork Orange.

ECHO24

I doubt anyone else will plow through this word salad either.

combatpigg

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"what do you hope to gain by disrespecting my comments about a Goldberg Biplane project at this forum....?"

ECHO24 replied.."I didn't disrespect anything you posted there. I ONLY said you made an inane post" .


WHAT A TOTALLY RIDICULOUS LIAR...BUT YOU ONLY FOOL YOURSELF.
What did you hope to gain by using this forum to talk about my comments about a Goldberg Biplane project...?
Why didn't you use the Scratch Built forum [like any normal, well adjusted man would] to argue / debate the "INANE POST" I posted there...?

ECHO24

"I never said anything about what either side wanted."

"what the AMA or Franklin were after [wanted] is irrelevant"

combatpigg

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Hey..aren't you the SILLY DRAMA QUEEN who called the HEAD EXPLOSION GIF a "simulation of your death"...?
Seriously..that was an all time classic that will make future generations of RCU subscribers laugh out loud...100 years from now...!!!

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ECHO24

ECHO24 replied.."I didn't disrespect anything you posted there. I ONLY said you made an inane post" .

An inane post to bump the thread above mine (or you wouldn't know what my post was about). And unless someone else come along and also says "If it's balsa count me in!" there it will sit like the dead fish it is.

ECHO24

Hey init, can't say I didn't try.

combatpigg

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I really am sorry if you feel that I "bumped" an old thread above yours just to make you cry like a little girl.
The truth is..all I saw was a thread about the best kit I ever built and I needed to make a comment about the Goldberg Ultimate Biplane.
Once again..I am very sorry if you believe my totally unrelated post destroyed all of the hopes and dreams you had for the lifeless/ failed thread that you launched over there about your toy plane....

Propworn

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My understanding was it was never about money. It was about the AMA getting official recognition for supporting military personnel. I was told the AMA didn't meet some sort of criteria to be recognized. They couldn't come to an agreement, so the discount proposal never went through.

This as explained to me by someone I know and trust within the EC

combatpigg

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YES..something like this would be about money. What was the dollar amount...
You either know.. or you don't know..or you DO KNOW but are too embarrassed to admit what that number is right now...!!!

ECHO24

Another one who can't read. I said that forum was nearly dead and I'm not posting there anymore, inane comments about balsa or otherwise.

ECHO24

A dead scratch building/3D/CAD forum is where my couple of posts about 3D printing hovered at the top for weeks.

combatpigg

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I accept your feeble surrender..........I really do hope the thread you proudly launched about your little toy plane gets some much deserved attention too....!!!

ECHO24

That kind of respect?