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Old 09-02-2005, 01:16 AM
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I was just wondering if the AMA can do anything for those unlucky modelers caught in Katrina....

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Old 09-02-2005, 08:16 AM
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What would you like them to do?
Old 09-02-2005, 08:43 AM
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I'm pretty sure that force majeure events like a hurricane are specifically excluded from any sort of coverage. Whadaya want for $58 a year?
What can AMA do? Dunno. Nothing I can think of off the top of my head.
Old 09-02-2005, 10:15 AM
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ORIGINAL: tailskid

I was just wondering if the AMA can do anything for those unlucky modelers caught in Katrina....

Jerry

Jerry, later there just may be some items that AMA could do, however IMO, it would simply be by being a collection and forwarding center of all AMA members willing to help.

Right now, for those in need of help, I doubt that model airplanes are at the front of their concern. I would think basic family, health, home, and living conditions are at the front of their priorities.

AMA is already gathering data to access those specific members that are in areas where mail, communication, etc. is not and will not be available for some time.

When this information is collected, and those members than do need assistance are determined, I predict that AMA will provide the membership some opportunity to assist those that need that assistance.

With the demands on AMA's resources brought by the recent reductions in membership, I could not expect AMA to hip-shoot help to what is now an unknown quantity. I do pray that while HE has shown what HE can allow to happen, just maybe HE will allow we mortals to show how caring we can be.

edit: replace wrong verb / wording
Old 09-02-2005, 11:22 AM
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Well, since many of the RC clubs will not be up and running until the middle of next year, the AMA could pro-rate their memberships at that time.

Once, a good friend of mine was flooded out, the great Houston flood of 94. A friend and I went to his house and loaded up all of his soggy airplanes and radios and stuff and took them home and cleaned them, and stored them for my friend until he had a place. Individuals can do that.

When the time comes, say next spring, when the guys along the gulf coast are getting their feet under themselves again, people can donate or loan equipment or even volunteer to help rebuild the old flying fields.

AMA can contact banks and landowners whom lease land to clubs and secure agreements to suspend payments while the area undergoes salvage.

Surviving clubs just north of the destruction zone can offer flying privileges to the folks whose clubs were destroyed in the storm.
Old 09-02-2005, 12:09 PM
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do you think flying is what they care about now? death toll could make 9-11 look small. models are not as important as lives!
Old 09-02-2005, 02:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: timothy thompson

do you think flying is what they care about now? death toll could make 9-11 look small. models are not as important as lives!

I've lived through a few of these storms. And you are right, the victims aren't thinking about flying right now. But they will be in about a year. Those of us not affected by the storm can help them with immediate relief and by planning ahead for the time when the victims can think about flying. The Nancy Grace statements don't really help.
Old 09-02-2005, 02:20 PM
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Default RE: AMA and our sad situation....

I would think an organization of 150,000+ COULD do something, but there I go again, thinking about airplanes

Jerry
Old 09-02-2005, 03:35 PM
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Hey old man -

Howgoesit ?

Help in terms of rat now probably not much.

Later when the place gets dried out and they've hauled off the politicians that have been shot, AMA could certainly hand out flying site assistance funds without having to wait for the annual cycle next Spring.

I mean, rich we ain't, but that much we could do.

I gotts a hey you off to Bill Fulmer, but he's in Gretna and I 'spect that's like right next to the bullseye, y'know ?
Old 09-02-2005, 03:40 PM
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To establish a fund for 'modelers' (if AMA would limit it to that) needs to be started now, not a year from now when you and I forget what happened. One must strike while the iron is hot so to speak.

As far as Bill Fulmer, I wonder also.....maybe Gordon knows something....I'll write 'em.

Jerry
Old 09-02-2005, 03:59 PM
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We are the AMA!
A fund won't help a guy that has a trailer of airplanes stuck in storage and no truck to tow it.
A fund won't buy cloths for a guys family when there are no stores.
A fund won't put a roof over a guy's head when the motels are under water.
Do you have a cabin just sitting? Or a just RV sitting in the yard?
Do you have cloths you realy don't need?
Do you have a way of going to get a fellow AMA member to get him and his to shelter?
Do you have a way of towing a RC trailer so he has his hobby safe so he has one less worry?
Do you have a pilots lic. to fly in supplys and fly out our fellow RC flyers?
I just came through Holbrook AZ that has hundreds of empty motel rooms. Maybe one of you lives there and can go ask the owners or the mayor to make use the empty rooms!
We just went to the Dollar Tree and bought all the flash lights so the kids down in Houston Astodome can feel safe going to the bathroom!
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Old 09-02-2005, 08:48 PM
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ORIGINAL: tailskid

To establish a fund for 'modelers' (if AMA would limit it to that) needs to be started now, not a year from now when you and I forget what happened. One must strike while the iron is hot so to speak.

As far as Bill Fulmer, I wonder also.....maybe Gordon knows something....I'll write 'em.

Jerry
Check the AMA web site:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
AMA Members Helping Members

As the tragic events along the Gulf Coast unfold,
it has become painfully apparent that the number
of refugees from Hurricane Katrina is enormous.
It is not unreasonable to estimate that there
will be half a million or more homeless Americans
for many months to come.

Among them, unfortunately, are an unknown number
of AMA members. Based on the information at hand,
we at AMA estimate that as many as 1,500 members
could be in dire need of help. These are areas in
which the U.S. Postal Service has suspended
service because its facilities have been severely
damaged or even obliterated by the storm. While
many Federal and State agencies are doing all
that they can, the magnitude of this disaster
means that we all need to do our part.

AMA is establishing a program to try to help
those members in need by matching them with
someone who can help. If youre in a position to
provide temporary shelter, assist with
transportation needs, or just help a fellow
modeler find his or her way back to a normal
life, call our toll-free Hurricane Katrina
Modeler Assistance Hotline at (866) 286-3302.
Our staff will take your name and some key
information and try to match you with someone
in need.

Many of us have an extra room, perhaps a spare
car, or some other piece of equipment thats
sitting around and could be put to good use
during this time of unbelievable tragedy. I have
volunteered space in my own home to assist this
effort and I hope many of you will consider
doing the same.

You can also register by going directly to AMAs
Web site at
http://www.modelaircraft.org/katrina/?section=register
and completing a simple form. Thats all it takes.
Its only a simple telephone call or Web site
registration, yet that simple act can have a
dramatic impact on someones life during this
critical period.

Aeromodelers are a brotherhood, and many of our
brothers need your help. Lets all pitch in and
help these people who have suffered an
unbelievable loss get back on their feet as
quickly as possible. Its the right thing to do
and it is something we can all do to aid the
recovery process.

If you are a member who has been displaced by
this disaster, or know a member who is in need
of this type of help, you can use the same
toll-free number to request help. AMA and your
fellow members are standing by, anxious, and
willing to help.

Remember(866) 286-3302 or use our Web site at
http://www.modelaircraft.org/katrina/?section=register
to volunteer assistance.

If you happen to be reading this and you need help,
you can go to our Web site at
http://www.modelaircraft.org/katrina/?section=request
to make your request.

Dave Brown
AMA President

______________________________________________

If you haven't gotten the broadcast e-mail, please check out the
website for an outline of our efforts.

IF you should want to volunteer to help someone, and I realize that
you may have already done so, as the Houston area has a large number
of refugees, so you may already be doing all that you can, please do
me a favor and try inputing the info via the toll-free line, as I
would like to see how well that works. I put my info in via the
internet site (as linked from the e-mail), and that seemed to work ok.

The coincidence of this being put into place immediately before a
long weekend, and given that the phones will be manned by a service,
right from the git-go has me nervous as to whether it is working
properly. The only alternative would have, essentially, delayed the
start of this program till Tuesday, and I considered that
unacceptable. Joyce will check on their performance a couple of
times tomorrow, and throughout the weekend to make sure it is
working, but I need to ensure that there is some data to check.

Thank's

Dave Brown

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Old 09-03-2005, 09:22 AM
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Default RE: AMA and our sad situation....

ORIGINAL: tailskid

To establish a fund for 'modelers' (if AMA would limit it to that) needs to be started now, not a year from now when you and I forget what happened. One must strike while the iron is hot so to speak.

As far as Bill Fulmer, I wonder also.....maybe Gordon knows something....I'll write 'em.

Jerry
From the D8 List

******


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Powell [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 3:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [D8-L] [Fwd: Fw: Katrina]



Yo!
Posted as requested.

....Chief

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Fw: Katrina
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:34:59 -0500
From: Dr. Sandy Frank <[email protected]>
To: chief <[email protected]>

Hello chief,

This is from our D8 AVP for LA...

please post to list..........

Best regards,

= = = = = = This is a forward message = = = = = = =

Original sender's name: grafix01
Original sender's address: [email protected]

>Sandy...
>
>We're safe in Houston.. Not sure how my home is yet... Believe we had no water. Hop no looting...
>
>Please pass on to Chief. My web service is sketchy at best..
>
>More later,
>
>Bill
>

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

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Old 09-03-2005, 10:50 AM
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your kidding it will take until x-mas to pump the city out. up to 3 years to sanitize and rebuild! my son is there as a member of the 509th airborne from ft polk. he is helping with relielf. this is a freaking hobby not important compared to life! my son told me the death toll could exceed 10,000! so this whole post should be turned into how we as modelers can donate money to the cause. How many of you donated on the telethon last night?
Josh says those people have nothing flying is the last thing on their minds and yes he is an rc flyer

tim
Old 09-03-2005, 12:17 PM
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I'm very proud that AMA (see post above for Hossfly) IS DOING SOMETHING! Thanks go to all those at AMA who put together this plan.

SEE, AMA IS MORE THAN INSURANCE!

I may not agree with Dave Brown on some issues, but this one I'm 100% behind this effort......and proud to be an AMA member!

Jerry
Old 09-03-2005, 01:52 PM
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i agree tailskid!!!
Old 09-30-2005, 01:26 PM
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I live in st.bernad parish and losted 95% of my rc equipment , i would love to go flying for a day and forget about what happen to my life ,home just for alittle while.....
Old 09-30-2005, 01:57 PM
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You are invited to several different venue's in Texas. I am sure that if you show up at the Old Kingsbury Aerodrome tomorrow or Sunday, one of us will put you in the air, one way or another.

That is just east of Seguin.
Old 09-30-2005, 02:07 PM
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flying tiger....where are you currently living?

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Old 10-02-2005, 10:15 AM
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Many of the people caught in the hurricane took care of themselves. Many (not all) of the families left are un-able and unwilling to help themselves. Our government, you and I are spending billions on this. The NO and LA government had government aid and housing in areas where no one else in their right mind would live. These people know no other way. A friend went to help out in Houston. When he arrived, there were cars as far as he could see dropping off water, new cloths, blankets, and supplies. He started by helping to distribute supplies. Not one refugee helped. He got frustrated and went where they were handing out water. They refugees were throwing fits. They were tired of water and wanted coke and beer. He said enough of that. He went were they were handing out hand made deli sandwiches. They were again throwing a fit there because they wanted McDonalds.

It looks like the astrodome is so trashed they are contemplating tearing it down. The activities in the dome made a college party look like kindergarten. NO had no back up plan, so they used Houstons; and destroyed it right before they had their huricane. A friend talked to the church about housing a family in their basement. The church told them they will get a rude awakening if this happens. People housing refugees have had their houses trashed, everything inside stolen, and they cannot evict of the people.

You want to help? Support a change. The socialistic government welfare programs put these people in this situation. Everyone who works hard have given and given to those who live off us. Now we give and give when they won’t lift a finger to help themselves. They know if they play “poor me” the world will give; and it has. My wife was at my daughters volleyball practice the other night and saw several mothers feeding their kids coke and candy bars at 5pm to keep them from throwing fits. That’s all we are dong here.

Second, NO should not be re-built. No amount of history is worth the loss of life (which is no where near 10,000) the ecological devastation, and the financial burden it has put on everyone across the country (and those other great countries which have contributed). The levee board spent millions on everything from digging up trash on those who badmouthed them to building roads for casinos; just not on levees. Everyone knew the situation they were in. The Mayor ignored a mandatory evacuation plan, ignored the initial governments help, and everyone else which had busses, trains and planes ready to go to take people out of the city. If the nursing home administrators need to be charged with neglect, so does the Mayor!

NO is a hopeless cause. Unless billions are poured into the levees, they will not be strong enough. Your billions, my billions. When they fail again, it will be billions more. Let them move inland 10 miles and re-build.

On top of this, insurance in general is a major cause of these problems. The government requires companies provide adequate coverage at reasonable rates for people in high-risk areas such as this. What this means is YOU AND I pay for people to do this. We pay for people to make bad decisions! Let insurance be appropriate for risk; at the very least for new construction! Think of all the lives it would save! If they can't aford to build in a slushpit, we won't have to pay the bill when it sinks!

Lets save lives and put people in a situation to help themselves. It is far better then giving the survivors money so we feel better about it.

Gary
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Gary,

Heck man, what about Pompei?
I think "take a lickin' and keep on tickin' " is a part of human life. We mess with/kill every type of life there is in the world and yet we want to be left alone. And trust me, most Americans who havent left the country DO NOT KNOW what suffering is. As anyone who has lived elsewhere.

I dont think this is a moral discussion at all. Stuff happens, fix up and keep walkin! If you live in NO, thats your choice!

As for AMA, yea that 58 bucks pretty much sums it up. If I lived there, I'd be pretty bummed out.
Heck, we come into this world buck naked and we leave the same way... so why worry

-ram
Old 10-05-2005, 02:11 AM
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Second, NO should not be re-built. No amount of history is worth the loss of life (which is no where near 10,000) the ecological devastation, and the financial burden it has put on everyone across the country
On the TV here today, final figure was 9xx, less than a thousand. I don't remember the exact number. My sister told me as I was outside at the time.
I have "refuges" here in my house. My sister and her grandson are staying a while. They have no electrical power in an area about 60 miles north-north-east of Houston, from Rita. Just got mine last Friday PM. Actually they have more damage there than here.
With the great influx of diesel generators, diesel is at places up to $3.90 per gallon. That will reduce the trips to the field with my Dodge Diesel truck.
Had to cancel our Big Bird Weekend this past Sat/Sun due to no power at the field, and the general conditions of the area and populace. Ya'll come see us now on Dec. 03-04. With the way it's staying summer-hot here, it may be 80° those days.

You have not even began to see the economic downturns yet to result from these two storms. [:@]

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