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Old 02-09-2006, 07:06 AM
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Hello all
If a flyer in your club lost control of his plane and did damage to a structure that was property of the club, would your club pay to repair the damage.
Or would they hold the person responsible for the cost of the reapirs and the actual repair of the building
What are your thoughts
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Old 02-09-2006, 08:39 AM
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I would think it depends on if the person flying the plane was careless.

How did the plane hit a building?

What kind of building was hit?

How much damage did the plane do?
Old 02-09-2006, 09:56 AM
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Accidents happen. If the guy is an active member in GOOD standing, was following the posted rules of the club, then a reasonable club of friends will to pay for it. Everyone can foul up or have equipment failures; no one in the club should assume it can't happen to them.

Now, if the club is full of political backstabbing... time to find (or start) a new club.

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Old 02-09-2006, 10:15 AM
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If carelessness or negligence is involved, or if club rules were violated, the club member should pay for damages. If it was unavoidable, then the club should pay. After all, he pays dues for the maintenance of the club field, property and structures, too.

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Old 02-09-2006, 10:17 AM
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it was a building..... it was avoidable


I think the pilot should pay... I would
Old 02-09-2006, 10:26 AM
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Probably the Out House
Old 02-09-2006, 11:59 AM
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Probably the Out House



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Old 02-09-2006, 12:32 PM
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The member's insurance should cover it. If he's uninsured, he's liable for the damage.

That said, where I fly the structures were put up by the members. If we have damage, we all pitch in and help repair it. The vast majority of our damage is vandalism. If I crashed into a structure, I'd buy materials to fix it and anyone at the field would be happy to help me make the repair. Then again, I've done a LOT of field work, and have some "extra credit" built up!































Old 02-09-2006, 12:41 PM
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ORIGINAL: Plane Bob

Hello all
If a flyer in your club lost control of his plane and did damage to a structure that was property of the club, would your club pay to repair the damage.
Or would they hold the person responsible for the cost of the reapirs and the actual repair of the building
What are your thoughts
Thanks
Bob
In 3 damage cases, my club has fixed the damage using club funds for 2, and the 3rd has yet to be fixed, just a minor item waiting for the next work-day.

However in my opinion, any person of honesty and character would pay for the damage himself, no questions asked.
Old 02-09-2006, 06:39 PM
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I would expect AMA's insurance for property damage done whilst flying per AMA's safety code would apply. I would suggest going to section [link=http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/500-A.pdf]500-A[/link] to get the info.

Old 02-09-2006, 10:41 PM
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Hi all
This club member is an aging member who at one time was quite skilled but whose skills and judgement has degraded
He was flying a trainer in a 15 mph in your face dicrosswind, The plane went " out of control " in a gust and crossed over the dead line ( Broken field rule) and punctured a 2" hole in our Aluminum sun shelter. I agree that an upstanding member would just step up and take care of it. There is definatly club politics involved here.This member submitted the bill for materials with new officers in place several months after the repair was done. I felt this was a bad precident....If my big gasser crashed one of our buildings and it burned to the ground. by this example the club should pay for it as well. further the club could be open to paying for damages to other members personal property damaged by negligece as well.
Thanks for all the helpful input and let's keep it safe
Bob
Old 02-10-2006, 01:58 AM
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ORIGINAL: Dr1Driver

If carelessness or negligence is involved, or if club rules were violated, the club member should pay for damages. If it was unavoidable, then the club should pay. After all, he pays dues for the maintenance of the club field, property and structures, too.

Dr.1
I agree and it would also depend on the amount of money involved
if over a few thousand dollars I think it might be a good idea for
the club to file a claim with the AMA.
Old 02-10-2006, 02:32 AM
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If the pilot was not "out of control" or flying unsafely, then AMA should pick it up. That's what its intended for. On the other hand, 1 piece of aluminum with a 2" hole.... I personally would'd bother, or want AMA to know about it, and just run to Home Depot and fix it, or at this members age, pay for it, and have his buddies do the work .... Greg
Old 02-10-2006, 07:08 AM
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I think at our field, if a pilot hit something, we would have to credit him for the improvements!

But, he is on his own with his plane.



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Old 02-10-2006, 09:03 AM
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Sounds like it was just an accident.

I wouldn't have any problem with the club paying the bill.

Did the club officers tell him to submit a bill for materials?

Did he ever refuse to pay for the repair himself?
Old 02-10-2006, 09:20 AM
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This Member volenteered to do the repair himself ,he Purchased the panel himself and it remained in his garage for 3 months. Tthen finally I ordered a panel on my own dollar and was going to install it myself to make the problem go away. he caught wind of my plan , cancelled my order and then installed his original panel. This finally happened 4 months after the incident. Then 3 months after that he submitted the bill to the new president who asked for a motion at the last club meeting and it was passed. the total cost of the materials was $49. I just felt this whole thing was wrong. This club member manipulated the new president and set a bad precident for the club's liability in these sirtuations. It is not the amount of the damage, just I was looking for a confirmation of my own feelings on the subject
Thanks again
Bob
Old 02-10-2006, 09:49 PM
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"aging member" Give this guy a break! Protect your old flyers. They protected us when we were young.

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Old 02-10-2006, 11:55 PM
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PB, you're right. That was bad form on the part of the "guilty party."

But, what's done is done now. Water under the bridge.

One last thought: "Precedent" my shiny metal behind! That was his one freebie, IMHO. He does it again, call him on it. Shame does an awful lot to straighten things out.

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