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Old 08-18-2009, 09:16 AM
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I have been notified by the AMA that my nomination was accepted for the Vice Presidential election in District X. Any District X Members who would like to discuss issues that are of interest to them please join me at a web site I have created, the address is:

http://ama-district-x-election.blogspot.com/

I look forward to hearing from you.

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Old 08-18-2009, 09:59 AM
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What is your modeling background? Club offices held?
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Do you plan to also answer questions here?? I really do not want to have to sign up for yet another forum.
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Looking back at the candidates 5 posts, I found this one interesting: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8123918
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ORIGINAL: ltougas

I have been notified by the AMA that my nomination was accepted for the Vice Presidential election in District X. Any District X Members who would like to discuss issues that are of interest to them please join me at a web site I have created, the address is:

http://ama-district-x-election.blogspot.com/

I look forward to hearing from you.

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Lawrence Tougas
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Not from your district, but my oldest son was born in Sacremento, CA while I was attending a rather long USAF advanced navigation, reconnaissance, and strategic bombardment school there some 51 years ago.

Looking at your page for the AMA's MA, I think you may do very well. Your goals fit very well with most people of today's society. To get what you can from the national organization, with no concern for the national organization having to pay the bills. Since I have run for AMA office so many times with the concerns of AMA becoming a self-sustaining organization that builds the sport-hobby, enhances the overall well-being of the entire national activity, AND SUCH has NOTworked, hey man, your self-perpetuating limited objectives just may well be the BIG TICKET. Good luck!
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Hi Red , the candidate has made an interesting statement by saying senior citizens have more financial resources and id like to see the data to back up that idea . As a retired person on a pension i respectfully disagree with that assertion . Also , and i dont want to take the statement out of context , I ask - More money than who ? the rest of the country thats in a recession ? Its really easy to appear well off when EVERYONES broke . I see such statements as the foundation of reduced benifits to seniors and hold on tighter to my wallet !
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I have to agree, what are you using to base your assertions on about seniors having all the money and not needing a little help from the AMA in the way of a reduced membership? Sounds like a real bold statement to me. Dave
Old 08-18-2009, 10:23 PM
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Well anyway Lawrence, welcome to the RCU AMA Discussions group.

FWIW, I am pleased to have somebody other than an incumbent seeking AMA office. Not knocking the man currently in the slot at all, but it seems right that at least those of us in D-X will have a choice.

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LT-
I'm not in dX,
but good luck on your run
Old 08-19-2009, 01:09 AM
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Well anyway Lawrence, welcome to the RCU AMA Discussions group.

FWIW, I am pleased to have somebody other than an incumbent seeking AMA office. Not knocking the man currently in the slot at all, but it seems right that at least those of us in D-X will have a choice.

Abel

I agree, it is always sort of sad to see all the complaining and then see people running unopposed. Having said that, I would like to know how Mr. Tougas feels he can improve on what Jim Giffin is doing as the incumbant.
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Red,
I think I’ve got a pretty diverse background in modeling. I’ve built the Guillows free flight models when I was a kid. I also enjoyed building rockets. I built control line models first ½ a size and then later .19 size. I’ve built glow and electric r/c models, and right now I am flying a twin powered glow model. I’ve held Officer Positions in organizations other than my local AMA chapter.

P.S. I really enjoy your columns in MA.
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ORIGINAL: ltougas

I built control line models first ½ a size and then later .19 size. I’ve built glow and electric r/c models, and right now I am flying a twin powered glow model. I’ve held Officer Positions in organizations other than my local AMA chapter.

P.S. I really enjoy your columns in MA.
Just wondering how old you are???
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His blog traced from above OP link says a 45 year old Aeronautical Engineer employed in transportation.
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Hmmmm...Although I am not a proponent for lower dues/discounts for seniors but certainly not against lower dues for seniors either, I would have given a lot more weight to his position/perception if he were a senior...anyway…carry on and grill him…he needs to toughen up his skin at every opportunity… LOL…he might be a good VP if he can endure us.
Old 08-21-2009, 08:37 AM
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I can see that the subject of the AMA Senior Discount is a hot topic. So let me say this for the record.

I believe giving a financial break on dues based solely on the age of the member is not the best way to help AMA members in need of financial assistance. Do some senior citizens need a break because of financial hardship? Absolutely, and I support giving it to them. I don’t support giving it to someone regardless of their age who is not suffering a financial hardship, which is what we due when we base the deduction solely on age. If there is a teenager who life has dealt a tough hand to, and would benefit more from the discount shouldn’t we consider giving it to him or her? If we gain this person as a new member they very well may be an AMA member for the next 6 or 7 decades. Doesn’t this benefit the AMA to a greater degree and make for a stronger organization?

Right now the AMA is having a membership drive. If there are potential members who are on the fence because of finances, and the discount would bring them in the fold shouldn’t we be offering the discount to this person and adding a new member rather than offering it to someone who is an existing member and in a more secure position financially?

Anyway that’s how I see it and I understand those of you with opposing views, and I support your right to express them.

We have an opportunity to choose the leadership of the AMA. Districts II, IV, VI, VIII, and X are having their regular elections. District IX is having a special election. That’s 6 out of 11 districts up for grabs. According to an AMA staffer I spoke with I am the only challenger in any of those races. I wish that was different. I wish we had a full slate of candidates for each District election. I believe the Executive Council is an exciting group to be a part of. They get to make important decisions that will shape the future of our organization, and I would consider it an honor to be a part of that group.
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Districts II, IV, VI, VIII, and X are having their regular elections. District IX is having a special election. That’s 6 out of 11 districts up for grabs. According to an AMA staffer I spoke with I am the only challenger in any of those races. I wish that was different. I wish we had a full slate of candidates for each District election.
Not to worry,
I'm sure the /cough/ "Term Limit" plan will take care of that

As that was another topic of debate here,
what do you think of the toothless Term Limits we just got, that dont actually limit the term?
Would you consider changing them to be real, hard line term limits?
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I can see that the subject of the AMA Senior Discount is a hot topic. So let me say this for the record.

I believe giving a financial break on dues based solely on the age of the member is not the best way to help AMA members in need of financial assistance. Do some senior citizens need a break because of financial hardship? Absolutely, and I support giving it to them. I don’t support giving it to someone regardless of their age who is not suffering a financial hardship, which is what we due when we base the deduction solely on age. If there is a teenager who life has dealt a tough hand to, and would benefit more from the discount shouldn’t we consider giving it to him or her? If we gain this person as a new member they very well may be an AMA member for the next 6 or 7 decades. Doesn’t this benefit the AMA to a greater degree and make for a stronger organization?

Right now the AMA is having a membership drive. If there are potential members who are on the fence because of finances, and the discount would bring them in the fold shouldn’t we be offering the discount to this person and adding a new member rather than offering it to someone who is an existing member and in a more secure position financially?

Anyway that’s how I see it and I understand those of you with opposing views, and I support your right to express them.

We have an opportunity to choose the leadership of the AMA. Districts II, IV, VI, VIII, and X are having their regular elections. District IX is having a special election. That’s 6 out of 11 districts up for grabs. According to an AMA staffer I spoke with I am the only challenger in any of those races. I wish that was different. I wish we had a full slate of candidates for each District election. I believe the Executive Council is an exciting group to be a part of. They get to make important decisions that will shape the future of our organization, and I would consider it an honor to be a part of that group.
Makes sense… But do you any idea how a determination of hardship can be assessed? Most guys in this hobby pretend they are broke when it comes to certain things. Some skimp on servos but have expensive engines...etc...

After thinking about it a bit, I feel the only truly fair way is not to have any discounts and just keep the dues as low as possible. When I see a young teen flying a $5000+ model and realize he probably represents a greater risk than some others but only paid a dollar…it makes me think…conversely when I see an old guy that seems to always lose control and crash I wonder again…the obvious answer would be to give the middle age a discount…[sm=thumbup.gif]of course I am a middle aged…LOL
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I can see that the subject of the AMA Senior Discount is a hot topic. So let me say this for the record.
IMO you just well may find the idea of a change is the "hot topic" rather than the actual change content.

I believe giving a financial break on dues based solely on the age of the member is not the best way to help AMA members in need of financial assistance. Do some senior citizens need a break because of financial hardship? Absolutely, and I support giving it to them.
Again, IMO, any individual in today's economy that cannot afford $58 for AMA membership should stick to doing something else.
Whether that person be young or old makes little difference, $58 is a small amount in the overall scheme of aeromodeling. It follows the same old complaint about all club members: They can spend thousands on model/s yet when it comes to a flying site, they complain about $5 for a decent place to fly. SOSDD!

I don’t support giving it to someone regardless of their age who is not suffering a financial hardship, which is what we due when we base the deduction solely on age. If there is a teenager who life has dealt a tough hand to, and would benefit more from the discount shouldn’t we consider giving it to him or her? If we gain this person as a new member they very well may be an AMA member for the next 6 or 7 decades. Doesn’t this benefit the AMA to a greater degree and make for a stronger organization?
Teenagers can belong to AMA for $1.00. How much more discount do you think they need?

Right now the AMA is having a membership drive. If there are potential members who are on the fence because of finances, and the discount would bring them in the fold shouldn’t we be offering the discount to this person and adding a new member rather than offering it to someone who is an existing member and in a more secure position financially?
And just who is going to be qualified to make those judgments? Will you have to hire another staff, supervisor and clerks, to sort and list all those that "on the fence" but cannot buy modeling supplies because they are out of beer or such? [sm=confused.gif]

Anyway that’s how I see it and I understand those of you with opposing views, and I support your right to express them.

We have an opportunity to choose the leadership of the AMA. Districts II, IV, VI, VIII, and X are having their regular elections. District IX is having a special election. That’s 6 out of 11 districts up for grabs. According to an AMA staffer I spoke with I am the only challenger in any of those races. I wish that was different. I wish we had a full slate of candidates for each District election. I believe the Executive Council is an exciting group to be a part of. They get to make important decisions that will shape the future of our organization, and I would consider it an honor to be a part of that group.
Well, again, just another opinion, but even if you are wearing blinders, most of the decisions by the EC over the past 30 years have been to satisfy those making those decisions, and again IMO have done more to harm the AMA than to promote model aeronautics as the SPORT, HOBBY, and RECREATION that it really is.
One last point: You told Red, "I’ve held Officer Positions in organizations other than my local AMA chapter." What is an AMA Chapter to you? How big is your Chapter?

While I am not an admirer of your competition (As IMAA Pres. he did very little, if anything, to help IMAA) I think you will be just another "ME TOO" EC member. Please WIN and prove me totally WRONG! Please! [X(]

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Hoss

"$58 is a small amount in the overall scheme of aeromodeling."

Well, in most cases,
but $58 is a lot of sticks & tissue in the Rubber FF discipline.
And unfortunately, they dont qualify for the PPP subsidy due to control requirements.
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I am all for change and think that the VP for life attitude that was present in the AMA was a bad thing, but having said that, change just for the sake of change is not a desirable outcome either.

I'd like to ask again, what exactly does Mr. Tougas feel he will do better or differently than the current Distirct X VP? Honestly Jim has only been in the office for just about a year now so it is unclear to me what standard should be used to assess that he needs to be replaced.
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Lawrence-

Looks like I have diverted your thread from what you want to discuss, and I apologize for that. Please ignore my posts here and continue on your terms. Best wishes and thanks for stepping up to the plate.

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In my candidate statement I laid out my three top priorities. Maintaining flying sites, leveraging new media, and creating a Western United States flying, site those would be my initial focus.

My job puts me in the position of working with government employees on a regular basis. I’ve developed skills in dealing with confrontational matters and resolving them. I’d like to use these skills to help clubs keep their fields. I’m also a huge proponent of clubs promoting themselves to their community before their field is at risk. Putting some good will in the bank is priceless. I’d explore how clubs could best do that and provide guidance in the monthly column.

Speaking of the column I think it’s great to list a club’s activities for other members to enjoy. I’m just not sure that’s the best place. Space is extremely limited, the photos are in black and white, and there are other better alternatives. I think that the AMA as a whole does not take full advantage of the internet. District X certainly does not. It has a very limited and static web page. We can do better. I envision a site that would allow an almost limitless space to cover club events in color, we could include video, and it’s a much more dynamic environment to cover these events. I read recently in MA that clubs in a common area are grouping together to support each other. I think that is a great idea, we could use text alerts to let members in these areas know when a city council meeting is going to be held that might threaten a flying site. These are just a few examples of the new methods of communication we could be using in District X.

I’ve been fortunate enough to visit Muncie 3 times. I’m able to do that because I work for an airline and airfare is inexpensive for me. Anyone who hasn’t been there should go it is a fantastic place. The flying site is unbelievable it has something for everyone. Whether you’re flying free flight, control line, or R/C they have it there. On top of that there is a great museum. I took my father and he couldn’t believe all of the things they had there from his childhood. The tough thing about the Muncie site for District X and XI members is its location. We should be able to have an auxiliary flying site in the Western United States. A site that would allow all of our disciplines to meet and have large competitions. I would campaign for just such a site.
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I'd like to ask again, what exactly does Mr. Tougas feel he will do better or differently than the current Distirct X VP?
One thing that would be different and better if he succeeds is that he would be in office because he was elected by the D-X membership, rather than appointed by one member of the elite 'ins' club.
Well you know perfectly well what the procedure is when a DVP steps down before the end of his term, so I cannot see how that can be held against Jim. Regardless of who the next DVP is he will be elected to the office, so your point is what??
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In my candidate statement I laid out my three top priorities. Maintaining flying sites, leveraging new media, and creating a Western United States flying, site those would be my initial focus.

Thanks for the response. I am not sure that your list of priorities are anything new and I agree that flying sites are the Number One issue in our District. Are you aware of the details of the previous effort to build a Regional Flying Site in District X? If not I strongly suggest that you contact Gary Hover in Visalia since he spearheaded the effort. In the end I do not share your enthusiasm for a District site having lived through the last try for one. Real estate alone is a killer.

I agree about web sites. At first you appeared to be talking about the main AMA site, but it is clear that you are now talking about the District X site as well. I was the webmaster for the site for the first few years it was up and I can tell you that despite our good intentions getting content proved to be the challenge. I stepped aside due to being too busy to work much on it, but to this day I know that getting content is the challenge. If you could change that it would definitely be a plus. Especially since people grow more and more web savvy every day. Even if you were not elected maybe you could volunteer to help remake the website. That would be great.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond.

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