warheadforever

This really reminds me of when Paramount studios tried to sue the forgotten Hope 2 mod people for using one of the cites from Band Of Brothers. It is just so low!

tailskid

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I don't this this thread has had anything worth being considered 'serious' enough to get an attorney involved...

theriddler33872

how did they get your information somebody has turned on you ?????
the forum really couldn't unless subpoena
i just don't get it this would show the AMA is watching or at least someone within the organization is keeping in touch some how so why don't they just man up get on the forum and defend themselfs or maybe start talking to the people that have a negitive veiw and find out why .

well this isn't going tohelp there cause and maybe they thought it would scare you enough that you wouldn't tell anyone about there letterbut now that the cats out the bag they really look bad , that backfired for them ..........

tailskid

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With the Web today, anyone with some computer skills (not like me) can find out a whole lot about ANY of us if they want to

theriddler33872

true tailskid but they have to go about it in a legal manner..... you can't just go and hack someone for the info

cj_rumley

Naw, Bob, that just isn't going to happen. DB posted the reason why above:

This sort of misuse of the tort system (threat of suit for libel) only works when respondent can't afford to defend. It worked for example when AMA sued SFA and won a default judgment after SFA owner Jaans failed to appear because he couldn't afford a legal defense (tho AMA never collected the 'award' of the court, which not surprisingly amounted to the fees and expenses of the ambulance chasers). Won't work on the owners of RCU - their business is journalism, and no professional group has more experience defending against libel suits than journalists and their legal departments.

bkdavy

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I think the tin foil hats have come loose.

The AMA forum was slightly improving for a while, but this has gotten ridiculous. You disagree with how the AMA is reporting income on a 2008 tax return and suddenly their defrauding the IRS. You answer a question with wrong information on the AMA forum and its deleted so they're "censoring you" and "totalitarian". You believe AMA staff are paid too much, and the elected directors should be doing more "volunteer" work. In my opinion, you have very little grasp on what it takes to run a non-profit association of this size, or even the role of the directors in the organization. They don't bother dignifying your outrageous claims with any attention so you claim they know your right. They tell you to quit making libelous statements or face legal action, and your outraged. Nothing the AMA does will be right in your mind. Ever. So quit. Join another organization that better fits your beliefs. You don't like how they spend your $58. Then don't give it to them.

Brad

dbcisco

Please start with your own.

theriddler33872

ah ok bkdavy you've hit the nail on the head i understand now . so thats how it happened .

shhhhhhhh i'm trying to fix my tin foil hat before they notice .................

jairoblaster

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Last time I checked the second amendment protects your right to free speach and the only exception to that rule is if you insite violent acts or actions. Now this site has a vested intrest in not getting the AMA upset with them and weather you like it or not you should understand that.and they reserve the right to sensor all posts. They can say what ever they want as far as leagal action that does not give them a case aginst you. I say shout from the roof tops if you have lagite stuff. Dont be pushed around. There are other sites that you can join, and as far as that goes you can make a new name and join again, whats to stop you.

dbcisco

RCU has everyright to delete my posts and even ban me for life. I am a guest here.
I am a member of the AMA and thought I had rights to voice my opinions. Apparently you can only echo the AMA dogma.

Warbirdguy

This really touches base with me on another subject but the overall content is close to the same. Bare with me and at the end Ill make my point.
My neighbor came knocking on my door last December and informed me he was moving a house, not a mobile home, down our street to an empty lot he owned. He told me he was going to have to take down my fence and mail box. I told him I didnt want him to touch my stuff and to figure another way through. He told me he had permits from the state and county to remove anything and everything he had too to get his house to his lot. So after a few mins of unpleasent word exchanges I felt I had no choice. As I watched him take a tractor and come onto my land and remove my fence then beat my mailbox to the ground with a sledge hammer, I got in my car and went up the road to where the man driving the truck with the house on it and asked to see these so called permits. He fumbled around in his truck and came back with a sheet of paper he had folded in half and said he had left the actual permits on his desk 80 miles away. He said he would go get them for me to look at but when he returned he would be pissed off and if the neighbor wasnt through removing the fence he would just run it down and not replace it. Instead of getting into an even bigger argument over it I came home and called my county sherrif dept and asked them if he was correct. Their response was....... He is moving a WHAT!!! Withen 5 mins, 2 patrol cars showed up and had the owner and driver of the truck over their hood and cuffed. Seems he never got any permits. He was supposed to have a police escort, permits from the county on him and from the state, a representative from the phone company in case he had to move phone lines, and a representative from the power company to move any wires. ( they charge $100 an hour each just to be there) I still havnt gotten my fence fixed and I fixed my own box to get my mail. Im sure he will have an interesting time in court next month

So, my point to this is ....DONT BE BULLIED INTO SETTING DOWN AND SHUTTING UP!!! Stand your ground if you have the facts or until someone SHOWS you something different.

I say good for you Cisco. Id done the same thing.

Jamie ama 375149

Airplanes400

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Oh boy, I bet those crazy AMA lawyers will be busy sending out letters for the rest of the week!
Fun, fun, fun!!!

Besides, it's just a letter ... Anyone can write a letter. Letters mean nothing ... Just like the AMA

dbcisco

Handing over our dues to lawyers in the process.
As I have opined, Muncie is the reason for most of the AMAs problems.

rambler53

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Tell it to the judge. I doubt he'll agree with your reasoning. I'm sure the "IMHO" will get you off though.

Explain how it's an opinion, to claim tax fraud has taken place.

Most letters are just a gag tactic, if they could sue you, you would have been served already. The "damage" has already been done.

KidEpoxy

I figured AMA would need another revenue program to replace PPP,
but I never considered they would start a revenue program like the LLL: Libel Lawyers Loot

rambler53

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It's federal court, so $475 an hour for the sharks that can dress up for those, AMA really puts membership fees to good use if they aren't bluffing. It would take a year to get there, then it could drag out for months. Maybe they'll be gone by the time they settle out of court for $58? The only one getting rich are the lawyers. They'll push hard every time to go to trial, because sending letters doesn't pay for the Lexus, the wife, the girlfriend, her Escalade, and vacations for both.

I know a guy that went toe to toe with a competitor bending the rules for a sales advantage, and after $100,000 in legal fees, they settled for $50,000, to be paid in quarterly payments. The irony is the plaintiff was just as bad at breaking the law, he just couldn't find the evidence. If they only issued a subpoena for his computer, they'd have won the full suit.

So, where is YOUR evidence that they've been examined by a tax fraud investigation, and where is the subsequent fines and documents?
The misinformation seems to be your doing.

KidEpoxy

Rambler-
I'll ask you to answer your own question:
Does AMA report the Graytext$18 as 'unrelated business' magazine subscription revenue,
or do they just say it all just member dues?

cause it would be swell to know if they are supposed to be paying tax on that $mil plus,
or if the magazine is running a million dollars in the red ink


Well, Rambler,
does the magazine run in the red, or do we report millions in magazine subscription revenue?

littlecrankshaf

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Is it just me or is something really odd here?

Sounds like the cart is being put before the horse...for AMA to take such legal actions against one of its members is kind of backwards. Sorta like the AMA suing itself[X(]...

It seems the first step might would be to engage dbcisco in some real correspondence about his concerns or issues raised and if not resolved to AMA's liking maybe then revoke his membership before the threat of litigation. It seems really goofy to threaten litigation to a member in good standings...


Anyway, be that as it may, I haven't seen anything that dbcisco has said that honestly rises to a level that merits the attempted recovery of monetary losses that such legal actions would remotely justify... especially for a public non-profit entity that exists as AMA does.

Luchnia

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I wonder if someone is scamming dbcisco myself. I even would question if that really came from the AMA. Why would any lawyer worth his salt take the time to send out an ignorant letter like db got? If they did, then the AMA just opened themselves up to a lawsuit from dbcisco. That was a letter of threat (at least according to what dbcisco posted about the letter). We did not see the actual contents of the letter.

Dbcisco could stand out on the street corner with a sign on his chest stating, "AMA is defrauding the IRS" if he liked. That is the right he has in the United States of America. I am not implying it is the best thing to do, just that he can do that if he so chooses.

It is ridiculous in the least respect, not too mention any higher thought be placed toward such ignorance! If it really came from AMA then I personally question the org's practices in doing this and will watch them with a much closer eye now. If there is one thing dbcisco did that I appreciate is bring some things to the attention of sleeping dogs (yes, you and I the members of AMA). We need to be more aware of what is going on. I feel the same about our government too.

Another point should be considered, the forum has its own rules about posting and the posters must abide by those rules. You can type about anything you like here and if it gets out of hand then that is up to the forum mods to control, not some AMA lawyer making a vain attempt at "keeping things quiet" so nothing gets noticed. Why not deal with things with maturity? I don't think lawyers these days are capable of handling things properly.

Something was stated about not knowing anything about being a Director for a non-profit. Well, I am a Director for a non-profit and I believe I am to be held accountable for my actions and should never be allowed to practice outside of the guidelines set-forth. Furthermore, I do if 100% FREE. If I should show improper practices and it is factual, I should be removed from my position.

I am here to direct and serve and that to the best of my ability. Those that hold positions should listen to the membership and weigh all concepts and then vote accordingly on what can be put in place.

The saga continues...

804

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The only thing he has almost(but not quite) accomplished is setting himself up to play the martyr.
For that, he has to have AMA kick him out.
I hope they don't give him the satisfaction.

dbcisco

When did I say they were investigated?
Seems you are putting words down that I did not write.
If you would bother to do the reseearch, you will find all the documents I cited in the thread in question.

chumwithrum

Unless there's been a MAJOR rewrite of the Constitution since I went to bed last night, you're referring to the First Amendment. The Second Amendment deals with the right to keep and bear arms.

Phrydaddy

If there is ANY truth to what is being said here, than you should not fear a lawsuit at all, but rather encourage one. If you know for 100% fact that the AMA has commited Fraud than by all means you should want this to go to court, as it would be a means of proving your accusations...

bradpaul

Great thread......................

What do we know?

dbcisco allegedly received a letter from "AMA Lawyers"? I guess we take his word about that.

Question of where the AMA got his personal information. How about from his AMA membership application?

Should dbcisco run for the EC? Sorry db but you must be a "leader member" to run, PP membership won't cut it.

2nd amendment freedom of speech? dbcisco can say what he want's and suffer the consequences of what he says. Seems that is what the lawyers are telling him.

So db take the advice of your friends here in this forum and fight on for them, after all it's only money for you and online internet talk for them.