The AMA EC needs to move on this.
 

Sunday 7-3-11
Another Happy Day for the "In-Crowd" at the so-called AMA Forums. Sometime in mid-day, today Sunday, July 03, 2011, the Grim Reaper took his AX and Banning Scythe and banned more folks plus deleted a bunch of messages, not because they were bad, as bad IMO, but simply because they present a different view point from theirs.
Some of the statements may have been direct and strong but that is LIFE. This cannot stop here. There has to be an end put to this and the Academy of Model Aeronautics Executive Council is the only place it can happen.
If you are of any interest in stopping a bulldozer painted in scocialist colors, whatever that color may be, then please drop your DVP a note and let him know.

Simply disagreeing with Muroc and his followers gets one booted plus postings removed. I cannot believe all of the EC knows just how serious this has become. They say that the rules were made by AMA President Dave Mathewson. Well Mathewson is no longer a member of the EC. He is now the Executive Director, a paid Staff member that is to run the Headquartersn administration, and nothing else. It's time someone else takes a look at what is happening. They meet on Sat. July 16th, 13 days away.

Your EC Member, your AMA District VP, and a contact number/email is found on pages 132-142 0f the July 2011 issue of Model Aviation.

BOOTED: Kid Epoxy, FH Huber, Phlpsfrank, Horrace, dbcisco (the only thing I ever saw dbcisco post was adding other airshow information to a thread concerning airshows.) :eek:

There may have been others, but these are all I saw and it was not done in early AMA. CDT.

It's up to you. [sm=thumbup.gif][sm=thumbs_up.gif]

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Hoss,
After years of disagreeing with and disputing misinformation in forums,
the post that got me banned by AMA was me actually agreeing with one of the Chosen.
Go figure.

Well, I done learnt my lesson... the only lesson I can guess at them tryin to teach me:
Since I dont wanna get banned by AMA again I wont be agreeing with that guy no more




pffft, who knows what they were trying to teach MrPhelps

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Just think, my ol' buddy muroc was the reason I got put on moderation here awhile back. I told him what I thought of him.

He has sucked himself into a job over there, an hoping to suck his way on up the rotten totem pole that calls itself the ama

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You simply did not see the posts that caused the infractions.<div> The copied "private"  infrac tions are probably sitting on a hard drive for later, if they are needed.</div><div>No member was slapped on the wrist  just for fun and I would think you would know that.</div><div>And seriously hoss maybe ask why before you jump. you know what they say about assumption / assume make an *** out of you. </div>

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all one can do is assume, because the admins over there will NEVER tell you what the problem was, is, or anything else. doesn't matter who ya ask or how ya ask.

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The AMA forum software (like many forums) gives the mod/admin a choice when taking down a post:
a) Make the post hidden from the thread but available for mods/admins to read and/or restore
b) Instantly Vaporize the post off the server, destroying any evidence that exonerates the post and preventing appeal/re-evaluations


In the past mods there were vaporizing my posts for what they subjectively considered infractions,
I was told subjective vaporizing wasnt going to be done anymore.
Of course, I was also told that if a certain guy there attacked me one more time they will ban him,
but as that didnt happen the next time he attacked
so I am not having a lot of faith in (what should be) our msg board



I have already attempted contact(pm) with a mod at the AMA board,
asking for a copy of the allegedly banworthy post
so that I can see just what it is I did wrong.

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Its private info , post it by a mod will not happen but maybe someone not a mod copied it .<div>Would you like me to send you a PM  with the list of infractions  or can you remember them now....
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Well Mr ctrout, that may well be very good advice however this stupid ol East Texas Country Boy has followed a few trails, and made more trails when advisors all said it couldn't be done. Yes, I fell off some high logs, but I am still here carrying the banner for Freedom.

What "they say" is not of my concern. What "they DO" can raise my ire a bit.
I prefer the more learned sayings such as:

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson

The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything.
Theodore Roosevelt

Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.
Theodore Roosevelt

To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last - but eat you he will.
Ronald Reagan

Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school.
Albert Einstein

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
Albert Einstein

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Albert Einstein

The only source of knowledge is experience.
Albert Einstein

Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.
Thomas Jefferson

And as Einstein said - paraphrased - If one is happy to march in step, then all one needs is a backbone as the brain is wasted.

So Mr. ctrout, my school is now out. You can go back to your beautiful art work. That is really something that you do. [sm=thumbs_up.gif]

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To me this is a big problem.

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So Hoss....... was that the 3rd or 4th time you received a ban on the AMA forum? Most individuals try to learn from there experiences and their mistakes......... but some never learn.

Brad

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Trout-
Private?
Where on earth would a poster assume there was any privacy to text published for the whole internet to freely read?

See that line I just wrote on this publicly readable forum,
who would label that as 'private'?

Next week,
please dont say that this post is private info,
the way you are claiming my public post on the AMA board was private info.


My openly readable forum posts are not 'private',
and certainly not so private that I cant be given the text of what I myself posted.
That is what I asked for.


Yes Trout, please pm your personal dossier on what YOU consider infractions posted by me at AMA,
the TEXTs, not just your subjective/agenda interpretation of AMA rules,
and be CERTAIN to have the last one that is so banworthy.

But keep in mind that I have even went so far
as to have a mod pre-approve a post prior to putting it up,
yet it was quickly killed by other mods... leaving the fist mod scratching his head as to why.
So I will find it quite humorous indeed if you cite that particular mod-approved post as an infraction

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In reference to your question, Brad, your requested answer is in my signature.

Now I have a question for you: Why would a learned gentleman such as yourself start a post with a question to one person yet allow the reply line in the lower right corner state, "(in reply to TimJ"

I used to make that mistake, but then I did learn from that mistake, and found that correcting it was so easy.

Now Brad, the learned, you have a nice whatever of your choice. Happy Independence Day!

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I will and at least another 29 days without the disruption of your postings on the AMA forum.

I totally endorse your recommendation to contact your District VP..... I did .......... but not for the reason you wanted.


Brad

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Good Morning, Having been involved with RC for only a short time, I’m not an expert on the AMA or RC for that mater. I have been reading this forum for about a year and a half and have grown some what sour with the AMA. I joined the AMA as I was told that that is what you have to do to be involved with a club. I live a very short distance from the club here in my home town. I went to a few functions and had no problems. Everyone was very nice and I was welcomed. I’m old fashion and believe that any organization should work towards there mission. With all the resources that the AMA seems to have and with the ability that they have to influence government on a national level, it seems to me that they are not using their strength to complete or fulfill their objectives. They are working very hard to save the organization it’s self but not to further there future. I have seen this battle rage here on RCU and I’ve seen members and nonmember alike get bashed for not falling “ in step”.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span><stockticker>IMO</stockticker> an opposing voice is nothing more that an opportunity to learn. To see the picture in a different light. This very country of ours was built by people with differing opinions working towards the same goal. If the AMA can’t handle some one having a different opinion, then I dare say there are doomed. Then to go so far as to abolish them or silence them on the AMA forum? If this is what the AMA is about then I will no longer be a member. I will continue to fly and to build as it is something I love too do but I will not be apart of the AMA. </font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">

<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Happy Independence Day!!!</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">James</font></p>

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JW
Please keep in mind that the AMA as an organization is not synonymous with the way AMA is currently being run.

The tools are all there, the org has put in print that all views are to be tolerated.
As we see elsewhere, the administration is not enforcing some laws on the books to pander to their base.
If you do leave AMA,look us up every so often.
Should there be a change of regime to a more transparent and accountable administration
then perhaps you will find the org is indeed something you want to be part of

But also keep in mind
that one way the org will stay the way it is, they way you find unappealing,
is if they are successful at driving away folks that want to replace the ivory tower with a town hall.

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Also keep in mind that the reality of what the AMA is and does has very little to do with the perception of many on this forum. I would be very slow to suggest that anyone form an opinion of the AMA based on what they read in this forum.

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James, you said it very well. Please don't quit AMA. Individuals like you are sorely needed in this organization. You definitely have what I consider the right pespective about AMA and membership. From your post I gather that you are one that can well help to keep AMA on the correct track and keep old smudges like me in check. ;)
So hang in here and I'm looking forward to hearing (seeing) much more from you. KE stated it all very well and as I said above, folks like you are much needed.

Thanks for your post.

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I started a poll on the AMA forum that asked a simple question that required only a yes or no response and requested no comments on the pros or cons of the question. That poll ran for almost two days with almost a split response when someone disrespected my request and posted his “history”. I responded with a different point of view. The poll disappeared without cause or explanation. I asked in the open forum what happened to the poll and it was deleted without cause or explanation. I asked what form of communication there should be between the Leader Members and the membership and that was deleted without cause or explanation. The only communications I’ve received thus far is the following PM;

“Your view on the sub forum is clear. Quit starting threads repeating the same points again and again. That is trolling.”

I’m not sure how those questions raise to the standard of trolling. But below is the text of a personnel message I received, posted with permission;

“Sorry to see that you got banned for asking reasonable and legitimate questions on the AMA forum. I could not read your comments as derogatory, no matter how I tried. That’s the main reason I stopped posting, even dropped my account for awhile…Anyway, I saw that you were banned and wanted to send a note to say how ridiculous that was, and happened to see that tomorrow is your birthday. So I thought I would say Happy Birthday, Sir.”

Also posted in part from another thread:

Tim Johnson
Leader Member
District X AVP
“I reviewed your posts and really did not find anything that would be a banable offence.”

My “view” may have been clear but there is not one post that remains so it is only clear to the few that saw it. The out of hand deletions of everything I posted without cause or explanation amounted to a personal attack. The abuse of power there is far greater than any abuse that can be proven against me.

Regards
Frank

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">If this forum is helping you understand the AMA and you don’t spend much time talking within your club or talking with any of the other side of the fence I can understand completely why you feel this way. And why they are here to help you understand what they do here.  Why the forums at the AMA are all but dead.
Why would 6 guys spend every minute to talk about what they think year after year and the other 2000 in the AMA forum give up?
For the areas they did help, you will not hear much about all the others.
What works or did not work the first time it was tried or why its not a good idea to do it in the first place.
In here you will only see why it needs to change.
Most of us will spend time learning from as many as we can before making a change not decide we know best.
Most need proof that the values in what he believes from past history but you will only know what they tell you if you don’t look around. Now that most posts with any value have a short life spans from the same 6 users you will not see much.
if what you see here was as it seems why would the other 2000 users all the staff and all the mods be fed up with only the 6 or so that do this in the forums every day.
If you’re going to get a job in the AMA SO YOU CAN RIP IT APART AND FIX IT FROM THE INSIDE what would happen if you’re wrong. And what you change damages it. Will you be responsible for what you did?

</p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Or just start up another AMA type Org.?

</p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">What you looking at now is why did a AMA member just decide to leave because hes reading what you all are talking about from only your point of view.</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">You’re now solely reasonable for a member giving up on the AMA </font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">WAY TO GO!</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></font></font></p>

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<font color="#00265e" size="2">phlpsfrnk</font>
What you did was push.
And push.
Why cant they have a private area to talk?

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Stretching the line of private info here..</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">I see that your not bringing up what actually got you band.</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">My posting of that would be wrong, point blank.</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">If the mod removed the post as not appropriate and then band you for it I would think you posted the infraction in frustration or hast.</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">I saw the post.</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">I felt you posted it in frustration but I also feel a time out to let you cool off was in order.</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">After seeing you push and push what more can they do?</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">You made your point vary clear but you’re apparently are not willing to let anyone in the group keep the forum the way it is. When you decide for everyone without so much as a time line to see what is best for the AMA you’re now the rouge. Like it or not.</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">You are in the forum and I am not. Please think about this. Is anything in the forum that really needed to be brought out in the open because you thought it was underhanded? Not much point in telling me anything I can only take your word of what you say and after your rouge stampede. what should I think of your answer?</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Most of the times I think most of you have some very good insight on a lot of issues but kicking down the door to implement them is just plain wrong.</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></font></font></p>

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Trout,
its about what got folks banned.
We already have a lovely thread going on the subject you are trying to drag in here.

But as for this thread
about folks getting banned for stuff happening in different threads on different subjects even in different subforums,
Having an opinion other than agreeing with the leaders is not,
well, it should not be,
a bannable offense.





really? ... you would think ???
You know what other folks think, other folks that hold AMA seats for example
Seems what you think is bad at least 1 ama guys thinks it aint so bad after all.

Trout,
you claim we are just not looking at some really really bad post,
and you say you wont give that text out even if the author asks for it,
will you let ama AVP TimJ see(pm) this alegedly awful post so his evaluation of MrP's ban be accurate?
Cause without you giving(pm) AVP JimT that post you claim is bad, so he can make a fully informed decision,
AVP TimJ has pretty much declared MrP was railroaded by ama over posts that did look bannable

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<font size="2" color="#00265e">KidEpoxy</font>
&lt;script&gt;</script&gt;I'm not even going to read your post. twists,and any other BS you are always ready with.

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I would not do that to anyone.
Even to prove my point.

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<p align="left" class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: left; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Gentlemen, thank you for your comments. Understand that I did give this decision some thought. I did not make the decision based on comments from the “evil six” (That is my term and I mean no offence).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>I took into account all the information that I obtained from not only RCU but from the AMA website and other sources. I believe that any time you take a position of leadership you open yourself up to criticism. Period. If you are unable or are unwilling to accept that criticism then perhaps you should not take that position. In my opinion there must be transparency when discussing matters concerning <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>an organization such as the AMA. If the Leader members want to gain creditability with me, they must be open with their conversations when discussing matters related to the AMA. Just my opinion.</font></p><p align="left" class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: left; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri" size="3">I have been able to read over the past year where that the AMA has done things that they can point to with great pride. Having said that, I have seen some things that they should be ashamed of. Despite The fact that they say all opinions are welcome, that doesn’t seem to be the case and not just the AMA as an organization but some of its members as well. If my opinion will be tossed aside and I will be banned from further discussion, then how am I to believe that my opinion matters. I wonder if I would be better off using my membership dues to buy props. I seem to have a problem with getting my airplanes back on the ground. </font></p><p align="left" class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: left; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt">

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<font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></p></p><p align="left" class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: left; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Thank you for your time.</font></p><p align="left" class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: left; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri" size="3">James</font></p>