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kkf1977 10-25-2012 12:57 PM

A new AMA
 
What are the requirements or qualifications someone needs to run for AMA president?What is the time line for submitting a candidate for the next cycle?Thanks for the info.

Silent-AV8R 10-25-2012 01:12 PM

RE: A new AMA
 
From the AMA Bylaws:

Section 3. To be eligible to discharge the duties of AMA President
or Executive Vice President, a nominee must be a Leader Member
of the AMA and must previously have served as a member of the
Executive Council or Associate Vice President or as a Contest Board
Member for at least 1 year

The last election for President was in 2011. The term is 3 years. The next election will be in 2014

Bylaws are in the Membership Manual

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/memanual.pdf

acerc 10-25-2012 03:04 PM

RE: A new AMA
 
I would alsothink one of the requirement's wouldbe, Be familiar with the By-Laws. ROTFLMAO

BarracudaHockey 10-26-2012 04:56 AM

RE: A new AMA
 
That was cold.

Funny....but cold :)

JW0311 10-26-2012 01:22 PM

RE: A new AMA
 


Robert - brotherhood, Corsair brotherhood, Waco brotherhood and Cheap shot brotherhood. Proudly representing the AMA. Cute.
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bradpaul 10-28-2012 12:36 PM

RE: A new AMA
 


ORIGINAL: JW0311



Robert - brotherhood, Corsair brotherhood, Waco brotherhood and Cheap shot brotherhood. Proudly representing the AMA. Cute.</p>
And not even an AMA member............................................ .....
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<font size="-1">I made the decision some time ago, not to join the AMA, in part, because of some of the very same things that are being discussed in this thread. I had decided to stay out of this thread because I had already voiced my opinion about the subject in a previous thread and thought, what's the point. Then I noted a response to a post that contained a link to a Sponge Bob cartoon. I thought it was funny in that it seemed to prove the previous posters point. Then I noticed the signature line. "AMA LEADER MEMBER". Since I'm still new to the hobby, I wondered what that meant and I found this. Leader Members provide administrative, scientific, or industrial contributions to the Academy and help in the passing of information from AMA to the local club level. Their interest, by the nature of the membership category, is to enhance and improve the AMA. They should champion the AMA and its efforts at the grass-roots level. This was written by Jim Rice, District VIII Vice President in his May 2012 issue of the AMA insider. I'm not sure how the Sponge Bob cartoon enhanced or improved the AMA. If this is how the Leaders of the AMA respond to folks who are voicing concerns or are having problems with the AMA then I'm pretty sure I made the right choice in not being a member. Just my opinion. James</font>
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littlecrankshaf 10-28-2012 04:22 PM

RE: A new AMA
 


ORIGINAL: bradpaul



ORIGINAL: JW0311



Robert - brotherhood, Corsair brotherhood, Waco brotherhood and Cheap shot brotherhood. Proudly representing the AMA. Cute.</p>
And not even an AMA member............................................ .....
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<font size=''-1''>I made the decision some time ago, not to join the AMA, in part, because of some of the very same things that are being discussed in this thread. I had decided to stay out of this thread because I had already voiced my opinion about the subject in a previous thread and thought, what's the point. Then I noted a response to a post that contained a link to a Sponge Bob cartoon. I thought it was funny in that it seemed to prove the previous posters point. Then I noticed the signature line. ''AMA LEADER MEMBER''. Since I'm still new to the hobby, I wondered what that meant and I found this. Leader Members provide administrative, scientific, or industrial contributions to the Academy and help in the passing of information from AMA to the local club level. Their interest, by the nature of the membership category, is to enhance and improve the AMA. They should champion the AMA and its efforts at the grass-roots level. This was written by Jim Rice, District VIII Vice President in his May 2012 issue of the AMA insider. I'm not sure how the Sponge Bob cartoon enhanced or improved the AMA. If this is how the Leaders of the AMA respond to folks who are voicing concerns or are having problems with the AMA then I'm pretty sure I made the right choice in not being a member. Just my opinion. James </font>
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Got a good point there Brad. Yea, what's up with that!

Must be an AMA member to be worthy enough to make any comment... AMA members goood...everyone else is sorry sack... of worthless good for nothing...huh?

Everyone should kneel and kiss the ring like all the rest of the good little AMA members... How could JW even consider making a post here...Dang!

Stickbuilder 10-29-2012 03:10 AM

RE: A new AMA
 
Maybe this James person is not a member, but I do know that Robert is. Yep, he's a smartass, but he's our (Florida's) smartass. He fits right in with us, and he is one Hell of a builder too.

Bill, AMA 4720

littlecrankshaf 10-29-2012 07:05 AM

RE: A new AMA
 
yep, Robert's reply was pretty funny and it was easy to tell that was indeed his intent...

bradpaul 10-29-2012 09:52 AM

RE: A new AMA
 


ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf



ORIGINAL: bradpaul



ORIGINAL: JW0311



Robert - brotherhood, Corsair brotherhood, Waco brotherhood and Cheap shot brotherhood. Proudly representing the AMA. Cute.</p>
And not even an AMA member............................................ .....
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<font size="">I made the decision some time ago, not to join the AMA, in part, because of some of the very same things that are being discussed in this thread. I had decided to stay out of this thread because I had already voiced my opinion about the subject in a previous thread and thought, what's the point. Then I noted a response to a post that contained a link to a Sponge Bob cartoon. I thought it was funny in that it seemed to prove the previous posters point. Then I noticed the signature line. ''AMA LEADER MEMBER''. Since I'm still new to the hobby, I wondered what that meant and I found this. Leader Members provide administrative, scientific, or industrial contributions to the Academy and help in the passing of information from AMA to the local club level. Their interest, by the nature of the membership category, is to enhance and improve the AMA. They should champion the AMA and its efforts at the grass-roots level. This was written by Jim Rice, District VIII Vice President in his May 2012 issue of the AMA insider. I'm not sure how the Sponge Bob cartoon enhanced or improved the AMA. If this is how the Leaders of the AMA respond to folks who are voicing concerns or are having problems with the AMA then I'm pretty sure I made the right choice in not being a member. Just my opinion. James</font>
<font size="">Posted on: 5/7/2012 11:25 PM by Author ''JW0311'' in the forum ''AMA Discussions''</font>
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Got a good point there Brad. Yea, what's up with that!

Must be an AMA member to be worthy enough to make any comment... AMA members goood...everyone else is sorry sack... of worthless good for nothing...huh?

Everyone should kneel and kiss the ring like all the rest of the good little AMA members... How could JW even consider making a post here...Dang!

Shaft, really shocked to see YOUR OPINION on non AMA members...........................................
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JW0311 10-30-2012 02:15 PM

RE: A new AMA
 


You are correct in that I am not an AMA member. I belive that the AMA has the greatest of intentions as an organization; however, to me it's evident that some of it's members, including some of it's leadership, fall short when it comes to dealing with problems or questions raised by others. The smart mouthed comment posted to the OP question is an example of that. Simple question asked and answered. I would think that some encouragement to get more involved would have been in order. Nope. Maybe I have it all wrong.

James
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init4fun 10-30-2012 03:26 PM

RE: A new AMA
 


ORIGINAL: JW0311



You are correct in that I am not an AMA member. I belive that the AMA has the greatest of intentions as an organization; however, to me it's evident that some of it's members, including some of it's leadership, fall short when it comes to dealing with problems or questions raised by others. The smart mouthed comment posted to the OP question is an example of that. Simple question asked and answered. I would think that some encouragement to get more involved would have been in order. Nope. Maybe I have it all wrong.

James
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[:o] Umm , that's an awful broad brush your using to paint an organization who most of the members don't even post here , dontcha think ?

In ANY organization you will find people who give smart assed responses , why should the entire AMA be condemned for the actions of a few ?

Do you hold all organizations to this standard that not even ONE member can say something bad without the whole group wearin the black eye ?

If your lookin for perfection , don't forget that the world's last perfect person ended up nailed to a cross !;)

JW0311 10-30-2012 04:22 PM

RE: A new AMA
 


Point taken sir. It's not fair to condem the whole AMA organization for the actions of a few. I do belive that what the AMA represents is a good thing, but I'm sure you will agree that, right or wrong, the actions of a few will reflect on any organization. I understand that perfection is out of the question; however I belive that the continued persuit of it is not a bad thing. I think that the guy who got nailed to the cross was trying to teach us that. I'm thinking that we should try and show a little restraint when posting. I think that sometimes pointing out the obvious does more harm than good. Knowledge is knowing what to say and wisdom is knowing when not to say it.

James</p>

kkf1977 10-30-2012 04:53 PM

RE: A new AMA
 
James thank you and you are 100% correct. I was just asking a question because I couldn't find the by-laws and was asking my fellow AMA members for help. I also agree with you on the leadership of the AMA. When real issues arise they just want to ignore them. There are boards and committees in place yet they want to do nothing. I also know for a fact that most of them do not or have not flown a model airplane or helicopter in the past 20 years let alone compete. Is this a requirement no, but I think being active with in your own orginazation is key to growth understanding and support. I think the AMA needs some younger blood in positions to help make desisions and help drive the path of the future. If you look at some of the competition board members some have not been in the hobby or seen for over 15 years. Why is this? why is it so hard to get active people in these roles? Not wanting to start a big debate just stating the obvious and addressing some concerns. I am also not saying they are all bad just that most have been in their seat for too long and it is time for a change.

Hossfly 10-30-2012 05:16 PM

RE: A new AMA
 

ORIGINAL: JW0311



Point taken sir. It's not fair to condem the whole AMA organization for the actions of a few. I do belive that what the AMA represents is a good thing, but I'm sure you will agree that, right or wrong, the actions of a few will reflect on any organization. I understand that perfection is out of the question; however I belive that the continued persuit of it is not a bad thing. I think that the guy who got nailed to the cross was trying to teach us that. I'm thinking that we should try and show a little restraint when posting. I think that sometimes pointing out the obvious does more harm than good. Knowledge is knowing what to say and wisdom is knowing when not to say it.

James</p>

To remain out of the main stream when all heck is breaking loose will not bring you any roses. I suppose you have also stayed out of the other big questions in play all around we citizens of the United States and also renounced your citizenship if you had one. [:-] Certainly we can't ask you to help straighten this mess out be it AMA or the US of A.

One of the problems of not engaging in politics is that you will be governed by your inferiors.

littlecrankshaf 10-31-2012 06:15 AM

RE: A new AMA
 


ORIGINAL: JW0311



Point taken sir. It's not fair to condem the whole AMA organization for the actions of a few. I do belive that what the AMA represents is a good thing, but I'm sure you will agree that, right or wrong, the actions of a few will reflect on any organization. I understand that perfection is out of the question; however I belive that the continued persuit of it is not a bad thing. I think that the guy who got nailed to the cross was trying to teach us that. I'm thinking that we should try and show a little restraint when posting. I think that sometimes pointing out the obvious does more harm than good. Knowledge is knowing what to say and wisdom is knowing when not to say it.

James</p>
Great post...spot on!

No doubt about it, the AMA could really use more like you...but who wants to make their pastime "political"??? We get enough of that crap in everyday life to deal with...

jester_s1 10-31-2012 07:26 AM

RE: A new AMA
 


ORIGINAL: kkf1977

James thank you and you are 100% correct. I was just asking a question because I couldn't find the by-laws and was asking my fellow AMA members for help. I also agree with you on the leadership of the AMA. When real issues arise they just want to ignore them. There are boards and committees in place yet they want to do nothing. I also know for a fact that most of them do not or have not flown a model airplane or helicopter in the past 20 years let alone compete. Is this a requirement no, but I think being active with in your own orginazation is key to growth understanding and support. I think the AMA needs some younger blood in positions to help make desisions and help drive the path of the future. If you look at some of the competition board members some have not been in the hobby or seen for over 15 years. Why is this? why is it so hard to get active people in these roles? Not wanting to start a big debate just stating the obvious and addressing some concerns. I am also not saying they are all bad just that most have been in their seat for too long and it is time for a change.

Let me get this straight: You are new to the hobby, you have never been an AMA member, and you are new to RCU. Yet you know enough about the AMA to pass judgment on it as a bunch of lazy bureaucrats who are out of touch with the current needs of the hobby and don't even participate in the hobby themselves? I'd love to know how you have that information. Surely you've attended some board meetings or been privy to what happens in a few SIG's? Or at least you must have a close friend who in on the executive council who reports to you what happens in all the meetings he attends? But maybe not. Maybe you're a $29.95 expert- that's a guy who has a new broadband connection and has spent a couple of days reading what people post on the internet and now think he knows everything.

I'll agree that the AMA moves slower than it probably should in responding to new opportunities and needs in the hobby, and it's entirely possible that it is missing opportunities to meet modelers' needs in certain areas. At the same time, resources are limited and most of the workforce is volunteer. The guys in Muncie can only do so much themselves, and they are dependent on volunteers putting their time in while maintaining jobs and their own hobby participation. The AMA could fix that by jacking up dues to around double what they are now, but I don't think most of us would vote for that. So maybe before you complain you should serve as an officer in your club for a year or two, then maybe become a part of the vast AMA volunteer base so you actually know what does and doesn't happen in the only national aeromodeling organization in the US? Of course before you do that, you might ought to pay your membership dues so you are at least supporting the organization that you are so ambitious to run.

littlecrankshaf 10-31-2012 08:19 AM

RE: A new AMA
 


ORIGINAL: jester_s1



ORIGINAL: kkf1977

James thank you and you are 100% correct. I was just asking a question because I couldn't find the by-laws and was asking my fellow AMA members for help. I also agree with you on the leadership of the AMA. When real issues arise they just want to ignore them. There are boards and committees in place yet they want to do nothing. I also know for a fact that most of them do not or have not flown a model airplane or helicopter in the past 20 years let alone compete. Is this a requirement no, but I think being active with in your own orginazation is key to growth understanding and support. I think the AMA needs some younger blood in positions to help make desisions and help drive the path of the future. If you look at some of the competition board members some have not been in the hobby or seen for over 15 years. Why is this? why is it so hard to get active people in these roles? Not wanting to start a big debate just stating the obvious and addressing some concerns. I am also not saying they are all bad just that most have been in their seat for too long and it is time for a change.

Let me get this straight: You are new to the hobby, you have never been an AMA member...
Just wondering how you determined he is new to the hobby and never been an AMA member??? Also wondering if you might quantify your requirements of modeling/AMA member experiance must be before an opinion can be given here? Thanks.

kkf1977 10-31-2012 08:28 AM

RE: A new AMA
 
Do you think because I don't have all my stats attached to my screen name I am not a member. I have been an AMA member since 1984 have been VP of a SIG more then once been a CD for national events held in Muncie and a yes I do have very close friends within the AMA and the EC. Is there anything else you would like to know jester. Go pound your chest in the mirror you will feel better. I am stating the obvious based on facts and personal experiences. Why would having younger active members on the board and with some so say be a bad thing. The AMA makes this very difficult why?

bradpaul 10-31-2012 09:57 AM

RE: A new AMA
 


ORIGINAL: kkf1977

Do you think because I don't have all my stats attached to my screen name I am not a member. I have been an AMA member since 1984 have been VP of a SIG more then once been a CD for national events held in Muncie and a yes I do have very close friends within the AMA and the EC. Is there anything else you would like to know jester. Go pound your chest in the mirror you will feel better. I am stating the obvious based on facts and personal experiences. Why would having younger active members on the board and with some so say be a bad thing. The AMA makes this very difficult why?

There already are young EC memberstake a look at two of the most active districts with year around flying Dist. V and Dist. X........ so what actually is your issue in North Carolina? Find somebody with the qualifications and get them to run against Bliss.




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kkf1977 10-31-2012 10:39 AM

RE: A new AMA
 
No issue with Bliss and like I said not all just most. I am also talking higher the EC and compatition board and such. Have a look and tell me I am wrong. Unless someone unfortunatly passes away that seems to be the only time these positions are refreshed. Try contacting the board or EC with a real problem and see how it is dealt with. I have dealt closely with the AMA for years and am just sick of the same approach used over and over. The approach is to ignore and the problem will go away. If these guys want to hold their positions for 20+ years fine but do your job or get out.

countilaw 10-31-2012 06:10 PM

RE: A new AMA
 

[quote]ORIGINAL: kkf1977

What are the requirements or qualifications someone needs to run for AMA president?What is the time line for submitting a candidate for the next cycle?Thanks for the info.
[/quote

Sorry old boy, but with the number of posts you have and to ask a question as you did, something is wrong with this picture.

I have been an AMA member since 1984 have been VP of a SIG more then once been a CD for national events held in Muncie and a yes I do have very close friends within the AMA and the EC.


If you have all the "credentials" that you just claimed, why are you asking a question that you should have known?


Let's get the story straight. Does any one else see the ambiguities with this?

Frank


littlecrankshaf 10-31-2012 06:54 PM

RE: A new AMA
 


ORIGINAL: countilaw



If you have all the ''credentials'' that you just claimed, why are you asking a question that you should have known?


Let's get the story straight. Does any one else see the ambiguities with this?

Frank


Not going to name anyone but I've personally known some really uniformed and truly misinformed AMA CDs, leader members and even higher ups... I've long held the contention AMA has fallen short in the education department... not only within the organization but beyond... Apparently the most widely held "wives tales" about AMA and its workings are purposely not dispelled because of the errant perception that the more common misconceptions are ultimately good for AMA's bottom line...err...growth...

kkf1977 10-31-2012 06:57 PM

RE: A new AMA
 
Why should I need many post to validate my years as a member?

I honestly looked many times and could not find the details. I thought I would get the answer on here quicker and I did the AMA answered the same question a week later

Frank prove my claims wrong. Show me valid points. Don't worry about how many post someone has it means nothing.<br type="_moz" />

jester_s1 10-31-2012 07:11 PM

RE: A new AMA
 
kkf1977- I misread the quoted post above about choosing not to join the AMA thinking it was you. That's where I got the idea that you weren't involved in the AMA. Of course, that changes a considerable amount of my post above, so feel free to disregard it as necessary. I will say though that your 2 1/2 year old account with only 10 posts doesn't make you look like the experienced person you are now presenting yourself to be. What you looked like and were complaining like is one of the many entitled youngsters who never volunteer for anything but constantly find fault with those who do. If that's not you then I'll wish you good luck in your ambitions within the AMA.


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