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Sport_Pilot 07-17-2014 06:27 AM

FAA intentionaly hyping up Drone News. AMA needs to go to WAR!
 
This is proof that the media, with FAA's help is hyping up sUAV (drone) misshaps.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...stions-linger/

The AMA needs to maybe have a news conference, or at least a news release condeming this practice. Since if actually involves sUAV perhaps cosigned by some sUAV groups. Why are they doing this? I suspect they don't like the fact thay the recent authorization bill gives sUAV a special class that is not as strict as UAV.

littlecrankshaf 07-17-2014 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot (Post 11843274)
This is proof that the media, with FAA's help is hyping up sUAV (drone) misshaps.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorym...stions-linger/

The AMA needs to maybe have a news conference, or at least a news release condeming this practice. Since if actually involves sUAV perhaps cosigned by some sUAV groups. Why are they doing this? I suspect they don't like the fact thay the recent authorization bill gives sUAV a special class that is not as strict as UAV.

That's how it all works...Government agencies, bureaucrats, and organizations make fodder out of everything they can to highlight problems they can "fix" to justify themselves. People are gullible and fall for that recipe over and over again... Problem is, that ultimately divides us all... United we stand...divided...well you get the picture.

Charley 07-17-2014 10:41 AM

My take is that a few irresponsible FPV flyers have screwed it up for all of us.

CR

Sport_Pilot 07-17-2014 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by Charley (Post 11843398)
My take is that a few irresponsible FPV flyers have screwed it up for all of us.

CR

Not so for that story. So how many others were hyped? Perhaps the police heli in New York?

Charley 07-17-2014 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot (Post 11843415)
Not so for that story. So how many others were hyped? Perhaps the police heli in New York?

What, you don't think that quad pilot was irresponsible?

CR

bullseye000 07-17-2014 04:46 PM

Tower/Heli radio chatter and cell phone video from by bystander indicates that may be the case. It seems a quick judgement was made because these two guys were flying a quad. I wonder if the perception had be different if they were flying a slow stick. It been demonstrated many times that law enforcement isn't always forthright or just.

Sport_Pilot 07-17-2014 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Charley (Post 11843470)
What, you don't think that quad pilot was irresponsible?

CR

Did you not read the article? Or are you talking about the New York incident? I have no idea on that one. Did the quadcopter get too close? Or did the helicopter chase the quadcopter?

phlpsfrnk 07-18-2014 02:05 AM


Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot (Post 11843623)
Did you not read the article? Or are you talking about the New York incident? I have no idea on that one. Did the quadcopter get to close? Or did the helicopter chase the quadcopter?

I wonder if you did? The title of your post states the FAA is intentionally doing something and your first post states the article provides "proof". The article itself was aimed at sensationalized drone news stories often not being very accurate; a concept that should surprise no one. The author’s summary at the end states just the opposite of what you are trying to imply.

“There’s more to most of these stories than allegations of near-misses. Different players with different agendas are shaping these stories. Journalists want sensationalism, the FAA wants a path to simple regulations
, anti-drone activists are looking for any angle they can grasp onto to stifle the use of this technology, and drone users want the freedom to build businesses around these aerial robots. The U.S. is already behind other countries in integrating drones into the national airspace, sensational stories increase the risk that we fall further behind.

In fact in your post/title you are guilty of the exact “sensationalism” that he is accusing the media of. There is no "proof" of conspiracy here.

Frank

Sport_Pilot 07-18-2014 03:30 AM


Originally Posted by phlpsfrnk (Post 11843726)
I wonder if you did? The title of your post states the FAA is intentionally doing something and your first post states the article provides "proof". The article itself was aimed at sensationalized drone news stories often not being very accurate; a concept that should surprise no one. The author’s summary at the end states just the opposite of what you are trying to imply.

“There’s more to most of these stories than allegations of near-misses. Different players with different agendas are shaping these stories. Journalists want sensationalism, the FAA wants a path to simple regulations
, anti-drone activists are looking for any angle they can grasp onto to stifle the use of this technology, and drone users want the freedom to build businesses around these aerial robots. The U.S. is already behind other countries in integrating drones into the national airspace, sensational stories increase the risk that we fall further behind.

In fact in your post/title you are guilty of the exact “sensationalism” that he is accusing the media of. There is no "proof" of conspiracy here.

Frank


Calm down and reread my post. I said that this was proof that the MEDIA was hyping the information. The FAA is asking the controllers to report incidents and then the FAA is reporting those to the media. I never claimed there was a conspiracy.


And by the wa the simple regulations is a simple ban, nothing complicated about that.

phlpsfrnk 07-18-2014 04:17 AM


Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot (Post 11843745)
Calm down and reread my post. I said that this was proof that the MEDIA was hyping the information. The FAA is asking the controllers to report incidents and then the FAA is reporting those to the media. I never claimed there was a conspiracy.


And by the wa the simple regulations is a simple ban, nothing complicated about that.

Just so I understand, you are now stating that you do not believe "FAA intentionaly hyping up Drone News" because those are your words that I read.

Nothing is ever as “simple” as it seems. What is being “banned”?


Frank

Sport_Pilot 07-18-2014 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by phlpsfrnk (Post 11843756)
Just so I understand, you are now stating that you do not believe "FAA intentionaly hyping up Drone News" because those are your words that I read.

Nothing is ever as “simple” as it seems. What is being “banned”?


Frank

Can you not read that I said this is PROOF that the media is hyping the news. The FAA is sending them the news stories so yes they are hyping up the news. These are reported by the FAA.to the news. However this is not proof and I never said it was proof that the FAA was hyping. But they are.

sUAV use is banned, or at least they tried to. And they want to keep it that way.

cloudancer03 07-18-2014 06:34 AM

Sensationalized or not drones excuse me quad copter are rapidly showing up in the wrong places at the wrong time.whether or not you like it it will become an even bigger debate.granted the majority of users are responsible .sadly there are users who push boundaries and make headlines that reflect poorly on the rest of us.my old hometown just ticketed a guy because he claimed he just wanted to capture a new medical arts building that just opened.while his wife was inside he took his quad out of the car and put it in the air thinking he was not doing any harm.he took the video inside to show staff a d several dgot upset as the camera was focused on examniation rooms with patients in them. I do believe he was not trying to be a peeping Tom but the physicians understandably felt privacy was invaded.the felony was reduced to a ticket but it's insight to issues to be resolved as this new age goes on.

for am a i think they are in a crossroads.i think that the two things are unrelated.forever we dealt with aviation now it's expanded to remotely controlled vehicles with a different goal different mission.in then I think am a needs to remove itself from this stuff.let quads and drones set up their own association and lobby .yes I am saying separate .sorry but that's what I think.

Sport_Pilot 07-18-2014 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by cloudancer03 (Post 11843822)
Sensationalized or not drones excuse me quad copter are rapidly showing up in the wrong places at the wrong time.whether or not you like it it will become an even bigger debate.granted the majority of users are responsible .sadly there are users who push boundaries and make headlines that reflect poorly on the rest of us.my old hometown just ticketed a guy because he claimed he just wanted to capture a new medical arts building that just opened.while his wife was inside he took his quad out of the car and put it in the air thinking he was not doing any harm.he took the video inside to show staff a d several dgot upset as the camera was focused on examniation rooms with patients in them. I do believe he was not trying to be a peeping Tom but the physicians understandably felt privacy was invaded.the felony was reduced to a ticket but it's insight to issues to be resolved as this new age goes on.

for am a i think they are in a crossroads.i think that the two things are unrelated.forever we dealt with aviation now it's expanded to remotely controlled vehicles with a different goal different mission.in then I think am a needs to remove itself from this stuff.let quads and drones set up their own association and lobby .yes I am saying separate .sorry but that's what I think.

A lot of people are ignorant of the air rights common law. Trespassing laws sometimes mention rights over the land, and sometimes do not, leaving common law to rule which is not written down except in court case decesion documents. There is a need to write this into law in many states. And a campaign to make people aware.

flycatch 07-18-2014 08:13 AM

Read the article and it appears the full scale helicopter pilot is just protecting its' turf by intimidating the drone.

phlpsfrnk 07-18-2014 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot (Post 11843274)
This is proof that the media, with FAA's help is hyping up sUAV (drone) misshaps.


Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Can you not read that I said this is PROOF that the media is hyping the news. The FAA is sending them the news stories so yes they are hyping up the news. These are reported by the FAA.to the news. However this is not proof and I never said it was proof that the FAA was hyping. But they are.


Okay, have it your way, I did not read anything in that article that stated or implied that the FAA is involved with the media in hyping up drone mishaps’. In my experience the FAA seldom contacts the media about incidents and when asked cite that they are investigating and point to AC 91-57 or some other reg. Your supposition that the FAA is feeding the media is wrong.

Frank

rgburrill 07-18-2014 09:31 AM

This is not PROOF at all. It is different stories from two people reporting their side which is obviously slanted toward their position on drones. Unfortunately for our hobby too many UAV pilots do not accept the most important rule of our hobby exception - YOU CAN'T MAKE MONEY ON IT!

cloudancer03 07-18-2014 09:38 AM

dont know about what gobbly gok air rights are .he was on nprivate properyty and with a cam attached taking pics of patients in examination rooms.as a retired hospital ceo if that cam was taking video of my hospital and patients are in the rooms and that go pro exposes them that person is going to be arrested.i realize if that damn thing flies over my house and takes a pic of me not a heck of alot i can do except try to knock it out.i really think privacy rights will be infringed.as for ama step away from this stuff protect our flying fields and our rc hobby flying planes etc. let this movement create its own association its not what purists in rc ever wanted .

Sport_Pilot 07-18-2014 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by flycatch (Post 11843877)
Read the article and it appears the full scale helicopter pilot is just protecting its' turf by intimidating the drone.


That would be illegal.

Sport_Pilot 07-18-2014 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by rgburrill (Post 11843938)
This is not PROOF at all. It is different stories from two people reporting their side which is obviously slanted toward their position on drones. Unfortunately for our hobby too many UAV pilots do not accept the most important rule of our hobby exception - YOU CAN'T MAKE MONEY ON IT!

That was a sUAV ann you should be able to make money on it.. It just goes to a different catorgary, not model RC planes. To make money on a viable technoligy is a freedom we should have.

Sport_Pilot 07-18-2014 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by cloudancer03 (Post 11843941)
dont know about what gobbly gok air rights are .he was on nprivate properyty and with a cam attached taking pics of patients in examination rooms.as a retired hospital ceo if that cam was taking video of my hospital and patients are in the rooms and that go pro exposes them that person is going to be arrested.i realize if that damn thing flies over my house and takes a pic of me not a heck of alot i can do except try to knock it out.i really think privacy rights will be infringed.as for ama step away from this stuff protect our flying fields and our rc hobby flying planes etc. let this movement create its own association its not what purists in rc ever wanted .

As I recall the article said the hospital had tented windows that the copter could not see through. It is private property, air rights are an extension of property rights. Since people walk into an open building with no signage of any restrictions those property rights are not the same as at your home. For example you cannot ask the police to arrest them for trespassing, unless you have asked that person to leave. That is why he was given a ticket for disturbance, and would probably get off that if he goes to court.

Sport_Pilot 07-18-2014 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by rgburrill (Post 11843938)
This is not PROOF at all. It is different stories from two people reporting their side which is obviously slanted toward their position on drones. Unfortunately for our hobby too many UAV pilots do not accept the most important rule of our hobby exception - YOU CAN'T MAKE MONEY ON IT!

Here is the proof, should you believe him.

The drone pilot said “My objective was to yield the right of way to him as a full sized aircraft and to get back on the ground as quickly and safely as possible. He made that difficult I would say.”


The media did not report that so it is proof that the media hyped this story. The FAA is helping by soliciting this information of minor incidents and handing it over to the press.

Sport_Pilot 07-18-2014 11:35 AM

FAA directive is sorta proof.

Why are they using telegraphs? I thought that technology died?

F-16 viperman 07-18-2014 08:50 PM

Will somebody please enlighten Me and tell me which moment in time did Our toy airplanes become drones and a threat to national security?

dingo9882 07-19-2014 03:08 AM

That is exactly what I have been wondering this whole time F-16. When did model airplanes become drones.

AlW 07-19-2014 08:10 PM

The FAA does not need to hype anything. These FPV idiots are taking care of that all by themselves. All you have to do is look at Utube!


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