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2 Walla....WOW..!
Did you have any time to brace yourselves..?
1100 feet with that size of plane would just fill up a peep sight.

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Originally Posted by 2walla (Post 12132595)

There are two more, the commuter jet that lost a winglet a few weeks ago after hitting the quadcopterr. and back in about 1980 my dad and I hit a falcon 56 while we were flying in our citabria. It caved the leading edge in right to the spar just outboard of the strut attachments. We were at about 1100agl and the guys flying the model on a buddy box didnt think they were anywhere near that high.

commuter jet that lost a winglet a few weeks ago after hitting the quadcopter
Where and when did this happen URL PLZ.

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Originally Posted by mike1974 (Post 12132302)

I thought the entire point of this "task force" was because of the "dangers" to full scale aircraft. Now, all of a sudden, it's so "drones" don't fall on peoples heads??!! What?!?! And now Franklin is providing data about objects falling in construction sites??!! I'm so confused at this point! I thought this was ALL about full scale safety!??!?!?

Per page 8 of the recommendations: "The Task Force ultimately agreed to use a mass-based approach to determine an appropriate category of sUAS to recommend for exclusion from the registration requirement. This was based upon the probability of a catastrophic event occurring (i.e., death or serious injury) due to a collision between an sUAS and a person on the ground. [emphasis added]"

The data from construction dropped objects is how they arrived at the mass / height combination that would be likely to cause injury.

We never saw it coming. It made a pretty good thump and flattened about 4feet of the leading edge of the wing. It hit almost perfectly parallel with the wing head on. I have an old pic somewhere of the damage. 1100 feet isnt that high for most flights. You would be suprised if you put a gps/altitude logger on you plane.

-looks like the quad hitting the jet was a fake report... Nice to have iceholes making stuff up to fan the flames...

11/11/1979 ntsb report sea80dyp03 college place wa.... Course the feds have it wrong it was a 7gcbc citabria not a 7kcab. I think that the citabria is still flying and is over in Lewiston Id now.

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Originally Posted by porcia83 (Post 12132547)

No, it's not. A couple people flying some DJIs in a stupid manner did not get the ball rolling, any more than the AMAs involvement did. The proliferation of quads/MR and the rapid rise in commercial interest is what got the ball rolling. A few dopes crashing only highlighted some of the issues. There was no way that every Tom Dick and Harry photographer, as well as Amazon and Walmart was going to just start launching commercial applications without some oversight. And while some have naturally taken the leap that more doom and gloom and bad things are going to happen to the hobby, they are right insofar as there being more rules and regs on the way, but they will be for the commercial applications.

I'm taking the day off..
Have a nice Thanksgiving.
That goes for the rest of you guys

Mike

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Originally Posted by combatpigg (Post 12132575)

Sad that you still haven't realized that this was the AMA's most manageable and numero uno task.
A Stitch In Time Saves Nine.
Men like Eisenhower or JFK would have handled this rinky-dink errand by coffee break and then moved on quickly to real challenges.

Ahh yes, the good old days. Everything was perfect back then.

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Originally Posted by rcmiket (Post 12132692)

I'm taking the day off..
Have a nice Thanksgiving.
That goes for the rest of you guys

Mike

Turkey Day! Don't forget the bacon

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Originally Posted by 2walla (Post 12132627)

Yup, as others have mentioned the video of the winglet being struck was fake, Southwest issued a press release on that pretty quickly when the video went viral. Here's a video of another bird strike on a jet. Not sure what kind of bird but it sure did some damage.

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Originally Posted by 2walla (Post 12132627)

U are correct. 1100' is not that high & 400' is far less and mostly unnecessary.Pattern/IMAC/JETS/Sail Planes will certainly be affected.
Most of the models I fly have the HiTec RCD Telemetry system in them and I can see the Ground speed & GPS altitude. I also have a small plastic servo box with a Batt/RX/SS (Sensor Station) & GPS. I can put it in or velcro it to anyone's plane and tell them their GS/GPS Alt. I also rigged up a small Bomb with all this plus an air speed module and several different Bomb Releases so I can attach it to anyone's plane that has a bomb release installed. Seeing the altitude and actual Air Speed vs. Ground speed is very interesting.

What I'd like to see is a 1/4 mile 1320' semi circle around AMA fields that have one runway and a 1/4 mile radius Circle around AMA fields that have multiple runways. Have these marked on Sectionals a Alert Areas where the ceiling is 1500' AGL except where the field is located with in 5 miles of a class B or C airport or in any Extensions the airport may have. Today many (almost all full scale planes have some sort of GPS ) & Warning areas would be automatically presented to the pilot just as airport traffic areas and controlled air space is already automatically presented on any Aviation GPS.
Another option would be to install an ADS-B Transmitter/Receiver at each AMA field.
After 1 Jan 2020 all full scale air craft will be required to have ADS-B and they could see that there is something near them and the field would be forewarned of any approaching full scale air planes.
This is just a few suggestions to help keep our Models Separated from Full Scale man carrying aircraft. Right now with multiple eyes watching and ears listening for full scale we pretty well already do alert people flying that there is a full scale plane in the area and they should fly accordingly. i.e. KEEP'EM LOW.

hell no i will never register. You can DEFECATE in one hand and want in the other. see which one fills up faster.

Paragraph 4.1 "The Task Force accepted as a baseline that the registration requirement will only apply to sUAS (i.e., aircraft weighing less than 55 pounds) [emphasis added] that are operated outdoors in the NAS." But nowhere else is there any discussion of aircraft 55lbs or greater.

Perhaps that's the next shoe to drop?

I didn't see anything in there about airplanes colored red. Perhaps the other final shoe will drop? Then both feet will be on the ground, and before you know it, the hobby will end. (sarcasm)
:)

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Originally Posted by franklin_m (Post 12133297)

CIAO says the maximum mass of a model aircraft is 25 kg. FAA represents the USA as a member nation of CIAO. FAA has held imposition of this restriction in abeyance, exercising disgressionary restraint. Perhaps that restraint is being tested - but then you said that......

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Originally Posted by cj_rumley (Post 12133382)

CIAO says the maximum mass of a model aircraft is 20 kg. FAA represents the USA as a member nation of CIAO. FAA has held imposition of this restriction in abeyance, exercising disgressionary restraint. Perhaps that restraint is being tested - but then you said that......

That's interesting...I never looked it up. But you're right, the US is part of ICAO.