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porcia83 07-07-2016 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon (Post 12232222)
Total cost, all encompassing. Assuming nothing can be done, it must be cost effective.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2171792

Before or after the salvage was sold? I think I gotta ballpark on this one........:rolleyes:

Hydro Junkie 07-07-2016 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon (Post 12232223)
How many times have you done it?

I don't have to think twice to bet you've never landed on water. It's actually harder to do than to land on a paved runway since water reacts to the plane when pavement doesn't.

Sport_Pilot 07-07-2016 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie (Post 12232210)
Well, let me see where can I start:
1) running across the street in front of traffic
2) smoking
3) excessive drinking
4) driving under the influence
5) texting while driving
6) texting while walking down the sidewalk
7) putting hands into the blade of a power saw without unplugging it first
8) mixing alcohol with medication

Is that enough for you Porcia?

Chickens are so bad about getting hit when crossing the road there is a whole line of "why a chicken crosses the road" jokes. There instinct doesn't seem to fare them well.

Sport_Pilot 07-07-2016 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by porcia83 (Post 12232220)
Sure, it's a simple answer from you. But you didn't make the generalization that there is no challenge with MR technology did you? Maybe you did as well, can't remember. All that chest thumping tech talk got me confused.

BUT..the issue isn't one of desire, it was of technical challenge. A common generalization from some folks (many of which have never flown a MR let along built one) is that they are so simple, so easy, anyone could fly it. They completely dismiss the skill set that is required to, in some case actually fabricate the body, built it, wire it, then program it. As if you know....its so simple a caveman could do it. Like Speedy, I've asked many "traditional" rc dudes (you know, scratch/kit balsa builders) if they could slap either a drone or FPV or even racing MR together and fly it....not one has give me an answer. You are as close as it's gotten, but you sorta dodged the question and brought in the desire issue, rather than the technical skill and ability issue.

No rain....lucky! No coffee....how about tea? Fruit smoothy? What's your poison?

That was a whole flock of geese that Hudson plane sucked. I suspect that the lead goose forgot to turn on his CAS and the others just followed to their doom.

Sport_Pilot 07-07-2016 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie (Post 12232221)
Sully did it on training and reacting due to said training. You don't just land a twin jet in water on instinct, just ask the Airbus crew that crashed into the south Atlantic. That's right, you can't, their no longer living after a 35,000 foot fall due to stalling the plane after the auto pilot failed from a frozen pitot tube

But he did not see the geese. Could have been avoided if eyes were out the window.

Hydro Junkie 07-07-2016 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot (Post 12232229)
Chickens are so bad about getting hit when crossing the road there is a whole line of "why a chicken crosses the road" jokes. There instinct doesn't seem to fare them well.

If there are chickens is on a road, they are only there because they are looking for food, just like they do for 98% of the rest of the day. Otherwise, a chicken is either laying an egg or sleeping. Sorry, I used to raise chickens so that one isn't going to phase me

Sport_Pilot 07-07-2016 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie (Post 12232221)
Sully did it on training and reacting due to said training. You don't just land a twin jet in water on instinct, just ask the Airbus crew that crashed into the south Atlantic. That's right, you can't, their no longer living after a 35,000 foot fall due to stalling the plane after the auto pilot failed from a frozen pitot tube


LOL I can't believe you responded to that. Don't know a joke when you hear one?

Sport_Pilot 07-07-2016 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie (Post 12232225)
Why? I'm sure the airline has insurance on all of their planes

My car insurance has gone up tremendously. Insurance company says because the State of Georgia has allowed them to raise the rates due to the total accidents though I have none. Seems they were paying out more than they were taking in.

Chris P. Bacon 07-07-2016 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie (Post 12232235)
If there are chickens is on a road, they are only there because they are looking for food, just like they do for 98% of the rest of the day. Otherwise, a chicken is either laying an egg or sleeping. Sorry, I used to raise chickens so that one isn't going to phase me

My chicken crosses the road all the time. One day I asked why, and he said to get to the other side.

Sport_Pilot 07-07-2016 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie (Post 12232235)
If there are chickens is on a road, they are only there because they are looking for food, just like they do for 98% of the rest of the day. Otherwise, a chicken is either laying an egg or sleeping. Sorry, I used to raise chickens so that one isn't going to phase me

Why did the chicken cross the road halfway?

She wanted to lay it on the line.

Sport_Pilot 07-07-2016 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon (Post 12232239)
My chicken crosses the road all the time. One day I asked why, and he said to get to the other side.

Ohh your chicken is so modern. Transgender no less!

Chris P. Bacon 07-07-2016 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie (Post 12232225)
Why? I'm sure the airline has insurance on all of their planes

So the long term outlook is that A320 landings on water are cheaper than preventing wildlife strikes since insurance pays? You think they have GEICO or Progressive?

Chris P. Bacon 07-07-2016 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot (Post 12232242)
Why did the chicken cross the road halfway?

She wanted to lay it on the line.

You're just jealous because your chicken couldn't make it to the other side.

Jaybird 07-07-2016 01:37 PM

Wow.....just, wow.

Jaybird

porcia83 07-07-2016 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie (Post 12232235)
If there are chickens is on a road, they are only there because they are looking for food, just like they do for 98% of the rest of the day. Otherwise, a chicken is either laying an egg or sleeping. Sorry, I used to raise chickens so that one isn't going to phase me

Looking for grub, laying an egg, and sleeping. Count me in.....:o

porcia83 07-07-2016 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Jaybird (Post 12232253)
Wow.....just, wow.

Jaybird

All this bird talk is rough eh?

Chris P. Bacon 07-07-2016 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by porcia83 (Post 12232315)
Looking for grub, laying an egg, and sleeping. Count me in.....:o

Sure beats going to work everyday.

ira d 07-07-2016 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by franklin_m (Post 12232054)
I'm curious, on what do you base that?


Models and full scale have coexisted for years with no problems so there is absolutely no reason for a airport to have any say about what is going on elsewhere that does not directly conflict with their operations. If
there is no conflict then stoping someone from flying their model will help anything.

franklin_m 07-08-2016 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by ira d (Post 12232386)
Models and full scale have coexisted for years with no problems so there is absolutely no reason for a airport to have any say about what is going on elsewhere that does not directly conflict with their operations.

Then why are there NOW so many reports of sUAS near misses with aircraft, operations in areas where prohibited, near firefighting efforts, etc?

Chris P. Bacon 07-08-2016 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by franklin_m (Post 12232434)
Then why are there NOW so many reports of sUAS near misses with aircraft, operations in areas where prohibited, near firefighting efforts, etc?

How many is so many?

Sport_Pilot 07-08-2016 06:07 AM

I haven't heard of any near miss reports. Only that sUAV are in the area.

franklin_m 07-08-2016 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon (Post 12232439)
How many is so many?

"REPORTED A UAS OPERATING AT 800 FEET IN THE DEPARTURE CORRIDOR"

"WHILE ON EMERGENCY OPERATIONS REQUIRED EVASIVE ACTION TO AVOID A UAS"

"REPORTED A RED UAS WITH 4 PROPELLERS WAS HOVERING 200-300 FEET ABOVE ACFT"

"TAKING EVASIVE ACTION TO AVOID A NMAC WITH A UAS"

"OBSERVED A BLUE UAS HEADING NW PASS 100-200 FEET BELOW LEFT WING"

"A REMOTE CONTROLLED AIRPLANE WHILE ON A 3 MILE FINAL TO SNA AT 1,100 FEET. PIC REPORTED UAS WAS 100 FEET BELOW ACFT"

"OBSERVED A UAS OPERATING IN THE CLASS B AIRSPACE"

There's more...these are just the ones where LE was notified.

warningshot 07-08-2016 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon (Post 12232439)
How many is so many?

One

Chris P. Bacon 07-08-2016 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by franklin_m (Post 12232451)
"REPORTED A UAS OPERATING AT 800 FEET IN THE DEPARTURE CORRIDOR"

"WHILE ON EMERGENCY OPERATIONS REQUIRED EVASIVE ACTION TO AVOID A UAS"

"REPORTED A RED UAS WITH 4 PROPELLERS WAS HOVERING 200-300 FEET ABOVE ACFT"

"TAKING EVASIVE ACTION TO AVOID A NMAC WITH A UAS"

"OBSERVED A BLUE UAS HEADING NW PASS 100-200 FEET BELOW LEFT WING"

"A REMOTE CONTROLLED AIRPLANE WHILE ON A 3 MILE FINAL TO SNA AT 1,100 FEET. PIC REPORTED UAS WAS 100 FEET BELOW ACFT"

"OBSERVED A UAS OPERATING IN THE CLASS B AIRSPACE"

There's more...these are just the ones where LE was notified.

Got NTSB reports or are those just hearsay?

Hydro Junkie 07-08-2016 07:26 AM

Why does he need NTSB reports? When he gave the link to a college study, he was told it was probably falsified for financial gain. Sounds to me like there's some splitting hairs going on


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