Originally Posted by astrohog (Post 12747128)

I said YOUR LOGIC is flawed, not JR's business sense. More spin and deflection.

Astro

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12747131)

OK, I get it. You’re looking for another online brawl. Not going to happen, I’m headed home to spend some time with my granddaughter, take my father in law to dinner for his birthday and then do some PM on a couple of models I plan to fly this weekend.

Originally Posted by ECHO24 (Post 12747069)

In addition whatever final fine from the FAA, it cost Mikey his YouTube following. It also got the attention of the other FPV influencers on YouTube. Even if Mikey is broke some of those guys do have money, and getting YouTube ad revenue they are considered commercial operators subject to Part 107 penalties. That's part of what jacked up that fine to $182,000, at $1,5000 per offense. Encouraging others to break the law is also an enhancement. So at least in this case there's some deterrent. Going forward the FAA is going to make examples of a few of these jerks and the rest will fall in line. The drone free-for-all has gone on for a long time so it might take a while, but these so called FPV outlaws are a bunch of cowards who've just gotten away with it thanks to AMA. That's who's to blame not the FAA. It's AMA who invited these jerks into the hobby under Section 336.

As the defacto authority under 336, AMA could have said they did not consider drones or other aircraft with GPS navigation to be "model aircraft" under the 336 exemption. Let the droners to deal with the FAA on their own. Instead, AMA invited this lawless FPV faction into the hobby with documents 550 and 560, giving illegal FPV the veneer of legitimacy under Section 336. AMA didn't care that the percentage of droners who follow those rules was statistically zero, or that AMA had no control over these people. It took the droners only a few years to completely destroy the hobby. The drone "free-for-all" is even cited in the RDQ US Court of Appeals decision. It's insane when you think about it.

Originally Posted by rcmiket (Post 12747178)

Unless these fines cannot be negotiated down they are meaningless. They need to hold these jerks accountable. Period.

Mike

Originally Posted by ECHO24 (Post 12747278)

In the case on question the guy is broke. What good is an unenforceable fine? The FAA can't put him in jail over it. The DOJ potentially could but it would require a referral by the FAA. Who knows, maybe that will happen when they can't get any money from the guy. I think you're missing the point thought. It all went out of control because AMA gave these criminal drone idiots cover under Section 336 for 6 years. Drones gone wild.

AMA invited juvenile delinquents and outright criminals into the hobby. Take a moment and look over AMA's FPV documents 550 and 560 to see what a farce AMA is. Here's just one on spotters: "FPV Spotter is an experienced AMA RC pilot who has been briefed by the FPV pilot on the tasks, responsibilities and procedures involved in being a spotter; is capable and mature enough to perform the duties and is able to assume conventional VLOS control of the aircraft." Are you F'n kidding me.

Remember, until this spotter rule was codified into law by the FAA in 2018, AMA's version was what was required to be exempt under 336 as a "model aircraft". You tell me how many droners followed this rule. Zero.

Originally Posted by rcmiket (Post 12747317)

I think the AMA made a big mistake by supporting and courting drones. The idiots being cited by the FAA more than likely weren't members anyway, I'm not missing anything. Without accountability citations mean NOTHING.

Mike

Originally Posted by ECHO24 (Post 12747426)

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https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...g.dronescanner

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12747431)

$195.50 US with the current exchange rate.

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12747441)

Wow, you’re right. I’m getting the same as you now. I don’t anticipate getting any modules. I will continue to fly at club sites that eventually become FRIAs and take advantage of the benefits.

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12747461)

You mistake my lack of concern over you to include everyone.

Originally Posted by ECHO24 (Post 12747526)

This sort of thing goes way back. The diehard AMAers were up front being on board the forced membership scheme for fellow RC flyers, while AMA gave a free ride to hundreds of thousands of idiot droners like Mikey who don't even know AMA exists. Not the sharpest tools in the box it turns out.

Originally Posted by Propworn (Post 12747561)

How exactly did the AMA give them a free ride?

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12747576)

However there is all that evidence sitting in the corner of the room that the FAA has made a distinction between the two and have been pretty much been leaving us alone.

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 12747576)

If only someone had a time machine…………..It’s too bad we will never be able to do anything but speculate if anything would have been different. However there is all that evidence sitting in the corner of the room that the FAA has made a distinction between the two and have been pretty much been leaving us alone.

Originally Posted by ECHO24 (Post 12747588)

"However there is all that evidence sitting in the corner ..." is jargon for corporate brochures. We get it. You're fine if everyone else gets grounded as long as you can play in your little FRIA box.

Originally Posted by ECHO24 (Post 12747588)

"However there is all that evidence sitting in the corner ..." is jargon for corporate brochures. We get it. You're fine if everyone else gets grounded as long as you can play in your little FRIA box.

Originally Posted by astrohog (Post 12747585)

What speed has been trying to tell us, is that if you don't follow the rules, and just fly as we always have, the rules haven't affected us.

Kinda like breaking into your neighbors' house. If you get away with it, the law hasn't affected your ability to do so.

Astro

Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie (Post 12747583)

Right, they have been leaving us modelers alone which is why they have mandated either installing transponders in all R/C aircraft or force us to join the AMA to fly at a FRIA site. Sounds like they are really leaving us alone to me as well