RE: A.M.A. Authority.
 

Again, the landowner asked me if "I" had insurance. I told her that I do and I presented my card to her. I also told her that each person that would be flying on her property must have a current AMA card. In the land lease that was signed, there was a statement that empahsized each person having an AMA, and a statement that she, the landowner, not be held liable for any accidents/accident occurring on her property.

Does this clarify things?

John

RE: A.M.A. Authority.
 

Just sounds like too much red tape. I'm trying to keep it simple.

1) I can pick who I want to fly there withouh having to explain anything to anyone.
2) There are no rules, only the AMA safety code and common sense.
3) There is no board, only me and the landowner.

Like I said, I want to keep it simple.

RE: A.M.A. Authority.
 

That works for me, and obviously it works for you. The problem is that it DOES not work for the legal barracuda looking for a deep pocket to sue. If I were you, I would check with a local lawyer as to the viability of that final clause holding up in court since in a great many states it will not and the land owner would be hanging out in the breeze if an accident were to occur...

RE: A.M.A. Authority.
 

Jim,

The landowner had this lease inspected by her attorney. I can see where you're coming from, but if there was a problem with wording of the lease, I feel sure that her attorney would have insisted on a correction.

RE: A.M.A. Authority.
 

Consider this. The landlord has been able to shift the liability to the lessee (you?). Now a flyer's wife falls and breaks her back. She was not party to the lease. Her attorney sues the lessee and the landlord for negligence. The wife wins in court. Who pays? If the entire personal liability insurance and assets, if any, of the lessee is used up, who pays the balance? While the landlord's (lessor's) attorney may be happy with the terms of the lease, it is possible that the lessee should have the assumed risk reviewed by an attorney. Preferably before there is a claim.

RE: A.M.A. Authority.
 

OK, I've got it now. Seems you are lucky enough to have a landowner that does not need you to protect them directly from risk. In this world that is a true rarity.

You have a sweet deal and it sounds like you are going to have a blast!!

Bill

RE: A.M.A. Authority.
 

ROFLOL!

Having been on BOTH sides of more than one lawsuit, it is my expensively educated opinion that YOU need to get the second opinion! It turns out the real issue is NOT the law, but what the barracuda er lawyer can twist it to do in court. That means there ARE good, better, and best lawyers. It also means that there are some that can read and not much more, but I can do that (sometimes better than the hired gun legal begal).

It is your wealth and your family fortune to gamble with. Roll the dice with or without loading them for success as you see fit. Just don't come back looking for soft shoulders when, er if you get bit.


p.s. Read J_R's comments very carefully because he speaks of other dragons that may be there.

As Bill suggested, enjoy!

RE: A.M.A. Authority.
 

Enjoy, I will. Let's look at things from a different angle. Like I said before, the people that are flying with me at this site have been hand-picked. It's not like I am offering complete strangers to come and fly. These are people that I would offer to come into my home. I do have some background on them. It sounds as if the ones of you that have been advising me to seek legal help here need to hang with a different crowd. All I've heard is sue, lawsuit, attorney, etc... Have you people really seen these types of things happen. I never have! But then I'm careful of who I hang with. I know that things like that (lawsuits) happen every day, but I've truly never seen it happen. I'm definately not implying that it will never happen to me, because it very well could.

Knowing these other flyers the way I do, I feel that I don't have a thing to worry about. Sure, someone could fall and break their leg, kneck, etc... , but if I know these people the way I think I know them, they'll consider themselves to be a clutz and deal with it.

RE: A.M.A. Authority.
 

Since you are the sole person selecting who gets to fly...does that increase YOUR liability?

Yes. I haven't seen it at the RC field yet, but I have seen it in other venues.


I sure hope your correct about how well you know them....

RE: A.M.A. Authority.
 

I appreciate everyones' interest and concerns, but I think some are going overboard a bit. Remember what we're dealing with here, a place to fly airplanes. It is my, and my guests, passion. Each one of us were overwhelmed with happiness when we were able to have an alternate/private place to fly. It is in the middle of a hayfield out in BFE, a perfect place. Since flyable land here is very, very hard to come by, why would anyone want to ruin such a good thing? I know that there are people out there that are sue happy, but personally, I don't know any. I don't think there are very many people out there, ones as passionate about R/C flying as I am, that will come anywhere near trying to endanger a flying site. Sure, accidents are going to happen some place, some time, but the people that I know have a bit too much pride to do something so stupid as to start trying to sue folks, and endandering a flying site.

And remember, I realize anything is possible. I'm simply willing to take my chances, especially when the chances ( in this situation) of somehting like the afforementioned is very unlikely to happen.

RE: A.M.A. Authority.
 

I must have missed something. As far as I know there are only TWO things that Chartering a club field with the AMA does, and both are good. The first thing is institute some safety rules and the second is to provide extra insurance coverage IF IT IS NEEDED. Hard to see how that is going to "ruin such a good thing".

However, your mind is already made up, so I will not waste anymore of your efforts. Good luck and I hope you never need any official help from anyone in the AMA.

RE: A.M.A. Authority.
 

Jim,

Evidently you did miss something. I never said that a charter was a bad thing, I just stated that I didn't want that, and for a couple of reasons. First, you charter a club, you open yourself up to the public, which is exactly what I don't want. I want it to be kept private. Sure, I could probably charter my site and go through a lot of BS to make it private, but I don't want any BS. Secondly, a club has to have officers, which I also don't want. There is only one officer at my flying site, and you know who that is. Charters require certain rules. So do I, common sense rules. If you don't have any common sense, you don't fly at my site.

I don't need, or want, a charter for my flying site. I want things to be kept simple. When you start dealing with the AMA, they make nothing simple. And yes, my mind has "been" made up, since before the lease was even signed.

Again, thanks for your input and thoughts,

John