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RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder ORIGINAL: STLPilot No thanks Stick, I believe the Park Pilots WANT their own tier as much as you don't want them to have one. I don't think they want to be controlled any more than you obviously want to control them. There are very obvious reasons why this organization needs to be a 2 party system. If you can't see them you must be swimming in a river in Egypt. But the reasons are right here on this board every day and at the field it's not a whole lot better. Prolly lots of skid marks leaving many RC parking lots around this country. Call us anything you want, but come Jan of 08, you can call me Mr. Park Pilot member. I won't have to call you anything. You won't be flying at the same place as do I. You won't be coming to fly at the same competitions as do I. You will cease to be a factor in the part of the hobby that I have chosen to enjoy. There will be a wedge driven more firmly between the different parts of the hobby, rather than binding them more closely together. Your chosen part of the hobby will have become more of a, "Toy factor", than a viable part of the Model Airplane experience. All to save a mere $18.00. I spend more than that every week on fuel to fly and to drive to one of the 3 fields at which I fly. Currently, I spend $363.00 per year to belong to the AMA, and to the 3 clubs. $18.00 represents a small percentage of that total. Exactly how much are you willing to lose, and how much BANG are you going to get for your few dollars? I hope that all this has been thought through. I suspect that it has not. By the way, exactly where is it that the new group expects to fly? The various municipalaties are accustomed to having the assurance that the insurance is in effect for a certain amount. How receptive will they be toward the allowance of flying model aircraft with a lesser amount of coverage? Will the mainstream club fields recognize the lower coverage? It may be true that AMA liability insurance is secondary, but it is all about perception. The City Governments see 2.5 mil. on one hand versus .5 mil. on the other. Being knee-jerk reactionists, as they mostly are, how will you overcome that objection? They may not actually have a higher exposure, but you have an uphill battle on your hands to present a convincing argument to them. Best of luck. See Ya. Bill, AMA 4720 But like I said, I'd pay a lot more to be separated by negative attitude. Also the Park Pilot clubs will be receiving 2.5 in additional flying site insurance as per first hand information. Parks dept's don't really look at individual insurance, like a dad and son throwing a baseball around. But if you want to have an organized event the club insurance is teh only one that counts. But anyway you can just keep ranting all day doesn't matter. People asked the AMA to take action in regards to acquiring parkflyers which were leaving or not signing up, even the same group of people who are against this program. So now the AMA heard your call and have done something about it. But of course and as usual, there will be complaints on thsi board. But we don't fly on this board, the real fun happens outside this forum. |
RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
Dion,
You are supposed to be an intelligent person, and one who has been retained to represent some fairly large (by your own admission) accounts. Tell me, do you ever read what you are about to post, prior to hitting the OK button? Bill, AMA 4720 |
RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
Who said I was intelligent. Tell me ... what are you talking about?
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RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
STL; I need your help! [sm=75_75.gif]
You keep using this word "prolly". Prolly lots of skid marks leaving many RC parking lots around this country. Be advised, and use caution, because if I should learn your terms, I may get several steps ahead of you, as I just might know what you are talking about. Comprender? Comprendre? Begreifen? STICK: Good post; "I won't have to call ............ See Ya." Edit: Word replacement. |
RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
You know it's funny you say that Hoss. Because the other nite I was watching the news and I was listening to a guy in Texas on a 911 tape ranting about 2 criminals robbing his neighbor, whom he decided to execute. And really I could only understand every other word he was saying on the tape. I guess that each region of the country has their own types of slang words and uses them in casual rerference. Y'all know what I mean?
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RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
Touche! STL. :D
Yep, another good man rids society of two thieves, and saves the state millions of $$ of my tax monies supporting them in the future. Good job. [>:] |
RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
I cant believe you two are falling for the ole Skoke 'Em Off The Topic trick:eek:
Stick- Yup, you hit 2 points that have been avoided about the Park Tier Why a system that will divide the membership rather than bring Parkies into the family. Where are these guys going to fly on 2 Jan 2008, if real clubs wont take em. Good points both. I've mentioned that before, but the usual forum smoke & snipes resulted rather than answers. But anyhoo, since this is a MA & Dues thread: Do we have to run the Parkie Magazine in the red too? Just to have that MA feel to it? Remember guys, less responding to the smoke, more MA & Dues (& maybe a wee bit of 501c3) |
RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy Stick- Yup, you hit 2 points that have been avoided about the Park Tier Why a system that will divide the membership rather than bring Parkies into the family. Where are these guys going to fly on 2 Jan 2008, if real clubs wont take em. |
RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
I thought this may be a good thread to revive regarding MA and dues now that the PPP program is out.
Now that the PPP is out, and will get a quartlery magazine, at a much reduced cost to their membership, will AMA follow suit for the full rate members and allow them to opt out entirely, or just make it a quarterly magazine also so the membership dues could be dropped to $30 across the board? Thoughts, discussion? |
RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
Actually DM cued into this question some time ago. There was a time that MA was opt out until it was no longer cost effective to do so. You can search for the thread.
If the PPP program does take off as I expect it to do, I'm sure that quarterly magazines will go to full 12 month subscription, when it's cost effectiveness comes into arms reach as well. But getting MA to the point where it's at now has given the PPP the opportunity to start at a quarterly subscription, rather then opt-out. The AMA has a cost effective system and the PPP is taking advantage of that. Seriously ... find 1 major organization that does not have a 12 month periodical that has membership base 150k and over. Won't say it doesn't exist, but I'd really like to see just 1. They all do, AMA is no exception to the norm. |
RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
I enjoy MA and read it cover to cover. Been reading for 30 years
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RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
I enjoy it also, but it has been voiced here that some do not find of worth and they would prefer to be able not to get it. One of the arguments in some of the threads has been that it was a "newsletter" required by the IRS. I have never found that reference, but either way, now that the PPP only gets a quartlery magazine, it is apparent that different programs can be set up by the EC based on perceived value to the end user. It has been demonstrated in various places, most recently in the PPP that one can go from monthly to quartly with a $20 drop. Lets say part of the drop is due to lower personal coverage so we need to add that back in. So, maybe the number is $35/year for regular AMA with a quarterly mag or maybe even only $25/yr with a single issue per year (just guestimate numbers for discussion)
So, now I am curious where people think this will take us. |
RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
ORIGINAL: P-51B Now that the PPP is out, and will get a quartlery magazine, at a much reduced cost to their membership, will AMA follow suit for the full rate members and allow them to opt out entirely, or just make it a quarterly magazine also so the membership dues could be dropped to $30 across the board? Abel |
RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
So, maybe the number is $35/year for regular AMA with a quarterly mag or maybe even only $25/yr with a single issue per year (just guestimate numbers for discussion) So, now I am curious where people think this will take us. Abel had found us the answer already, elsewhere. AMA PPP FAQ: 6) Q: Can a Park Pilot member choose to receive Model Aviation instead of Park Pilot magazine? A: Yes. The $36 subscriber’s fee less $9.95 would be added to the $29.95 Park Pilot membership fee. The total would be $56. Coulda sworn we just had a thread 2 or 3 months ago on how much the FREE magazine really costs us... $6/8/9/14/18/28 depending on who is answering... but now we see the MA additional expense to AMA members is $36. But at least we now (@RCU) have an answer(first of many) to the Yet-TBD PPP magazine net (member paid) cost: $9.95 See, they clearly, ala carte-ly, strip off the $10 magazine & cost, and tack on the $36 magazine & cost, .... +$26 net member cost to add the $8 member cost magazine (remember folks hollering about how Under $9 MA is?) So, anyone want to crunch the numbers for a $29.95 PPP opting to strip off the $9.95 magazine & tack on a NoMagazine, or a $58 flyer stripping off the $36 magazine & cost, and tacking on the $10 magazine & cost <edit: I intended to respond to Abel with this, but it kinda ended up talking about what P51 said> |
RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
Anybody know anything about the Internet Rumor of $29 MA?
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RE: Question: "Model Aviation" /Dues
ahhh, time flies
Remember back on page 1, post 24 by DM Assuming the audit report paints an accurate picture of the magazine operation, in round numbers, it appears as an expense of roughly $1,000.000. Divide the million by, say 155,000 (figuring that not all youth memberships or 2nd family members receive the magazine) and that works out to about $6.45. So the question becomes could we create a black & white "newsletter" including paper, ink, printing, postage and the labor to put it all together for .54 per copy? I don't know. Do you think we might do better if we tried to reduce the operating "loss" of MA by increasing, as an example, non dues revenue from things like adjusting advertising rates, improving subscription sales, etc. and still can perhaps its time to get another scoop from DM in this thread |
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