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Lifted in total from the District VIII private e-mail list. The only thing that has been touched is the e-mail addresses.:
-----Original Message----- From: Dr.Sandy Frank [mailto:XDERXDER] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:27 AM To: AMA D-8 Modeling List Subject: [D8-L] FYI James Whitworth wrote: > First quickly who I am, I am the manager of a large hobby store in Hurst TX, Roy's Hobby Shop. Yesterday we received 8 new "park flyers" from Horizon under the brand name of ParkZone. The name of the plane is the "Typhoon 3D". It is an all inclusive package that has plane, motor and radio. This is pretty standard in the park flyer group, BUT THIS RADIO IS ON 72mhz. That's our controled frquency range, we have flying fields for planes using this frequency range. My concern and I think it must be the AMA's is that these "park flyers" are going to be sold to non AMAers who will fly them anywhere just as they do the real 'park elyers' that are on 27mhz. I think that you and the AMA need to get to the Horizon people and have them recall these packages before they get widely sold and all hope of controlling this situation is lost. > I won't sell them in my store but that doesn't stop the next hobby/toy store from selling them. We (you) have duty to us to protect our frequencies and make our sport/hobby as safe and as much fun as possible, well when these are across the street on a 72mhz channel and some 35 pound 1/4 scale plane goes 'crazy' and hurts someone who are they coming after, the club who is insured by the AMA. > I am copying this email to Horizon in the hopes that the idiot that did this will see and understand the problem he has created. > There needs to be a massive recall by Horizon tomorrow before too many of these get loose. > Jim Whitworth, AMA 41277. Subject: Re: Serious Frequency Problem From: sfrank69 <XDERXDER> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:32:42 -0400 To: James Whitworth <XDERXDER>, don <XDERXDER>, Don Koranda <XDERXDER> I am in agreement with you.. But as you must know the use of this 72 mc band is JUST as legal as their use on 27 mc. It is You and Horizon who are on the front lines that must educate the buyers in their proper use... ( as you must do in many other things ie, CA glue, Lipo Batteries and lots more) I am forwarding this to the POWERS at AMA in Muncie,IN. As in all things modeling the end user MUST be informed and educated... Even the BEST frequency control sysyem at any model field must have willing and educated users.. Dr. Sandy Frank |
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So am I to take from this that the Hobby Shop owner will not sell an aircraft radio to any one who is not AMA?
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ORIGINAL: Jim Branaum Lifted in total from the District VIII private e-mail list. The only thing that has been touched is the e-mail addresses.: -----Original Message----- From: Dr.Sandy Frank [mailto:XDERXDER] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:27 AM To: AMA D-8 Modeling List Subject: [D8-L] FYI James Whitworth wrote: > First quickly who I am, I am the manager of a large hobby store in Hurst TX, Roy's Hobby Shop. Yesterday we received 8 new "park flyers" from Horizon under the brand name of ParkZone. The name of the plane is the "Typhoon 3D". It is an all inclusive package that has plane, motor and radio. This is pretty standard in the park flyer group, BUT THIS RADIO IS ON 72mhz. That's our controled frquency range, we have flying fields for planes using this frequency range. My concern and I think it must be the AMA's is that these "park flyers" are going to be sold to non AMAers who will fly them anywhere just as they do the real 'park elyers' that are on 27mhz. I think that you and the AMA need to get to the Horizon people and have them recall these packages before they get widely sold and all hope of controlling this situation is lost. > I won't sell them in my store but that doesn't stop the next hobby/toy store from selling them. We (you) have duty to us to protect our frequencies and make our sport/hobby as safe and as much fun as possible, well when these are across the street on a 72mhz channel and some 35 pound 1/4 scale plane goes 'crazy' and hurts someone who are they coming after, the club who is insured by the AMA. > I am copying this email to Horizon in the hopes that the idiot that did this will see and understand the problem he has created. > There needs to be a massive recall by Horizon tomorrow before too many of these get loose. > Jim Whitworth, AMA 41277. Subject: Re: Serious Frequency Problem From: sfrank69 <XDERXDER> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:32:42 -0400 To: James Whitworth <XDERXDER>, don <XDERXDER>, Don Koranda <XDERXDER> I am in agreement with you.. But as you must know the use of this 72 mc band is JUST as legal as their use on 27 mc. It is You and Horizon who are on the front lines that must educate the buyers in their proper use... ( as you must do in many other things ie, CA glue, Lipo Batteries and lots more) I am forwarding this to the POWERS at AMA in Muncie,IN. As in all things modeling the end user MUST be informed and educated... Even the BEST frequency control sysyem at any model field must have willing and educated users.. Dr. Sandy Frank Hobby stores should also be held liable in the event someone tries to fly a model and causes injury to someone else. If everyone will take responsibilities for others this hobby shall be great! All remote control aircraft flying should be under strict organized club supervision. There are clubs available everywhere that will make every effort to keep members in control and allow for a safe hobby. BTW this is not the first oversight of this type by the hobby industry. |
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Has anyone called HQ to see it they are aware of this situation?
I just e-mailed Jay Mealy with the above post. BRG, Jon |
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I agree with littlecrankshaft.
This hooby store owner should be removed from the AMA. IMMEDIATELY. And fined. And we should all boycott Horizon. Now. And this guy who is so concerned about this is out of his mind. Well-intentioned, but out of his mind. Please don't email Jay Mealy about this. I would rather he spend his time doing ANYTHING else rather than even spending three minutes reading and responding to this "situation". |
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darn...you guys spilled sarcasm on my shoes!
to the original poster.... sooooo whats the problem? Honestly |
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As Chuck Heston would say, "You can have my Tx when you pry it from my cold dead hand":).
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ORIGINAL: Glacier Girl As Chuck Heston would say, "You can have my Tx when you pry it from my cold dead hand":). |
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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf I think hobby shops shouldn't sell any R/C planes or equipment to anyone unless they can produce a current AMA card and also sign an agreement to maintain the affiliation in the future. Yes AMA does have a supreme right to the 72 MHz band and anyone other than an AMA member using 72 MHz should be jailed and fined. BTW the AMA should go ahead and monopolize the 27mhz band too since many are flown at AMA chartered fields and the little aircraft might hit someone while flying a real model likely causing the real model to become out of control resulting in a serious injury that would ultimately cause the demise of the hobby as a whole. Hobby stores should also be held liable in the event someone tries to fly a model and causes injury to someone else. If everyone will take responsibilities for others this hobby shall be great! All remote control aircraft flying should be under strict organized club supervision. There are clubs available everywhere that will make every effort to keep members in control and allow for a safe hobby. BTW this is not the first oversight of this type by the hobby industry. As Dr Frank said "I am forwarding this to the POWERS at AMA in Muncie,IN." I'm sure the POWERS have deployed forces in response to this threat already, and have the situation contained by now, or soon will. The unmitigated gall of those people - flying their toys on OUR frequencies. Abel |
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ORIGINAL: exeter_acres darn...you guys spilled sarcasm on my shoes! to the original poster.... sooooo whats the problem? Honestly Hey Exeter_acres, I just forwarded that information to those here who are so much more intelligent than I. I am sure that being a good AMA member you have a frequency sharing plan with each and every park flyer in your community, past, present, and future.... /end sarcasm |
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Dave Brown was asked this question at Joe Nall, by me and he had no ansewer.
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ORIGINAL: Jim Branaum ORIGINAL: exeter_acres darn...you guys spilled sarcasm on my shoes! to the original poster.... sooooo whats the problem? Honestly Hey Exeter_acres, I just forwarded that information to those here who are so much more intelligent than I. I am sure that being a good AMA member you have a frequency sharing plan with each and every park flyer in your community, past, present, and future.... /end sarcasm I think this boogeyman is way exaggerated. Have you, or anyone you know, lost their BVM Phantom to a park flyer nearby? I mean, I hear all these fears, and have never yet heard of it happening to anyone. |
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I lost a 30% Laser 200 to interference from someone flying a small electric nearby the club field. After I got over the shock of not having any control of the aircraft and watching it go down until it got below the horizon, I was angry. Since then I have just gotten careful. It will become a much more serious problem in the future, but I am not sure the sky is falling..YET.
(bows head to the spread spectrum gods in the radio business)... |
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I am glad someone has finally addressed this problem. I too have thought this has the potential to be a real problem. I think a lot of people are buying these type planes because they can fly them just about anywhere and they don't have to be a AMA member. Alot of them know nothing about frequency control. Some don't even know or don't care that they could shoot down someone else. I know a lot of these park flyer type planes are being sold to people who are not and don't want to be a AMA member or fly at a local club field. Just something to think about.
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I got an e-mail back from Jay and they are aware of the problem. Not sure what they can do about it though.
BRG, Jon |
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My field has had several problems like this, and the events seem to be happening at an increasing rate. Lack of education is the problem, I guess depending on your political persuaion, you could call this an elitist problem, typical AMA club field type operators (more engaged and committed) against true "throw away" toylike planes
A friend of mine just went to work at Horizon, so I know a little about some of the business they are doing. Get this... Now in Illinois, they do nothing but product management, customer support, fullfillment, etc, no manufacturing. They have SIX HUNDRED people. They have hired many people (modelers) just to help with foamies. I think these things are sold in MUCH HIGHER volumes than many think, much higher. How many are on 72 mhz, I do not know, and I agree there is probably nothing anyone can do about it, but I wish the AMA would at least act like it is a bigger problem, seems like they threw up their hands pretty fast. |
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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf I think hobby shops shouldn't sell any R/C planes or equipment to anyone unless they can produce a current AMA card and also sign an agreement to maintain the affiliation in the future. AMA is not the government, it is not a license, it is not regulatory! A hobby show would do good to hand out education literature but if he is going to stop selling to people he may as well close up the shop and move to China! Gary |
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I'm with you GOW589
That quote is one of the most asinine statements I've ever read on RCU. I'm surprised it took 15 replies before someone picked up on it. Regards Roby |
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ORIGINAL: Roby I'm with you GOW589 That quote is one of the most asinine statements I've ever read on RCU. I'm surprised it took 15 replies before someone picked up on it. Regards Roby Certainly we all should take responsibility for the actions of all other individuals in the hobby, just as LCS believes. Where can anyone have a problem with any of the concepts put forth by LCS? edit: btw, the AMA is a license. If you have any doubt, look at the lower left corner of your AMA card. |
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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf ORIGINAL: Jim Branaum Lifted in total from the District VIII private e-mail list. The only thing that has been touched is the e-mail addresses.: -----Original Message----- From: Dr.Sandy Frank [mailto:XDERXDER] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:27 AM To: AMA D-8 Modeling List Subject: [D8-L] FYI James Whitworth wrote: > First quickly who I am, I am the manager of a large hobby store in Hurst TX, Roy's Hobby Shop. Yesterday we received 8 new "park flyers" from Horizon under the brand name of ParkZone. The name of the plane is the "Typhoon 3D". It is an all inclusive package that has plane, motor and radio. This is pretty standard in the park flyer group, BUT THIS RADIO IS ON 72mhz. That's our controled frquency range, we have flying fields for planes using this frequency range. My concern and I think it must be the AMA's is that these "park flyers" are going to be sold to non AMAers who will fly them anywhere just as they do the real 'park elyers' that are on 27mhz. I think that you and the AMA need to get to the Horizon people and have them recall these packages before they get widely sold and all hope of controlling this situation is lost. > I won't sell them in my store but that doesn't stop the next hobby/toy store from selling them. We (you) have duty to us to protect our frequencies and make our sport/hobby as safe and as much fun as possible, well when these are across the street on a 72mhz channel and some 35 pound 1/4 scale plane goes 'crazy' and hurts someone who are they coming after, the club who is insured by the AMA. > I am copying this email to Horizon in the hopes that the idiot that did this will see and understand the problem he has created. > There needs to be a massive recall by Horizon tomorrow before too many of these get loose. > Jim Whitworth, AMA 41277. Subject: Re: Serious Frequency Problem From: sfrank69 <XDERXDER> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:32:42 -0400 To: James Whitworth <XDERXDER>, don <XDERXDER>, Don Koranda <XDERXDER> I am in agreement with you.. But as you must know the use of this 72 mc band is JUST as legal as their use on 27 mc. It is You and Horizon who are on the front lines that must educate the buyers in their proper use... ( as you must do in many other things ie, CA glue, Lipo Batteries and lots more) I am forwarding this to the POWERS at AMA in Muncie,IN. As in all things modeling the end user MUST be informed and educated... Even the BEST frequency control sysyem at any model field must have willing and educated users.. Dr. Sandy Frank Hobby stores should also be held liable in the event someone tries to fly a model and causes injury to someone else. If everyone will take responsibilities for others this hobby shall be great! All remote control aircraft flying should be under strict organized club supervision. There are clubs available everywhere that will make every effort to keep members in control and allow for a safe hobby. BTW this is not the first oversight of this type by the hobby industry. I am not sure where you got this info from, but the 72 band is designated for RC use, not AMA use. |
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That being so I think we should close every store in America because we will no longer have anything to sell with out worying about liability. That's ass9.
A License? By the government? To do what? I got a license out of a cracker jack box but it doesn't mean didly! Gary ORIGINAL: J_R I think LCS's comments are on right on target. edit: btw, the AMA is a license. If you have any doubt, look at the lower left corner of your AMA card. |
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I wasn't aware that we had so many communist minded people here.
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ORIGINAL: gow589 That being so I think we should close every store in America because we will no longer have anything to sell with out worying about liability. That's ass9. A License? By the government? To do what? I got a license out of a cracker jack box but it doesn't mean didly! Gary ORIGINAL: J_R I think LCS's comments are on right on target. edit: btw, the AMA is a license. If you have any doubt, look at the lower left corner of your AMA card. Yes, it's a license. So... what is your complaint about that? You think the government should be the only one to issue licenses? Issuing licenses is a right in a free country. |
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ORIGINAL: J_R Can't you clearly see that if someone goes out a buys an RC system and couples it up with some feritilizer and uses the combination to blow up the local federal building that the RC system manufacturer should be responsible to the families of those blown up for their loss? The feritilizer company should be cupable too. Yes, it's a license. So... what is your complaint about that? You think the government should be the only one to issue licenses? Issuing licenses is a right in a free country. Gary |
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ORIGINAL: J_R ORIGINAL: gow589 That being so I think we should close every store in America because we will no longer have anything to sell with out worying about liability. That's ass9. A License? By the government? To do what? I got a license out of a cracker jack box but it doesn't mean didly! Gary ORIGINAL: J_R I think LCS's comments are on right on target. edit: btw, the AMA is a license. If you have any doubt, look at the lower left corner of your AMA card. Yes, it's a license. So... what is your complaint about that? You think the government should be the only one to issue licenses? Issuing licenses is a right in a free country. |
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