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RE: Variable Rate Program.
ORIGINAL: captinjohn I hope you crash your big buck show off stuff. Just do not crash it when anyone is around. On second thught though...you probably have the $$$$ to get another. While the rest of us not so rich ones must help you pay for the same for AMA coverage |
RE: Variable Rate Program.
Stickbuilder: You should be ashamed for saying...It should cost everyone $1000 to join the AMA and $2000 to join a club. If you had your wish....a lot Of RC fans would not have any chance to fly...legally in many places. The AMA and clubs that do good would suffer far more than you crashing your plane. But you say....Its easy, just glue the pieces back togeher. Capt,n
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RE: Variable Rate Program.
ORIGINAL: captinjohn Stickbuilder: You should be ashamed for saying...It should cost everyone $1000 to join the AMA and $2000 to join a club. If you had your wish....a lot Of RC fans would not have any chance to fly...legally in many places. The AMA and clubs that do good would suffer far more than you crashing your plane. But you say....Its easy, just glue the pieces back togeher. Capt,n |
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ORIGINAL: captinjohn My point is a lot more RC fans would join the AMA if there was a fair payment plan. I am thinking maybe there is a lot of wealthy RC pilots that really do not want more to join. It would mean they may be bothered by the rest of us that would be in the way. Some clubs also use the AMA rules to discourage possible new members into their club. No wonder the AMA membership is declining. Capt,n The amount of monies that either of us has, is not relevant. The price for joining the AMA is $58.00 per year. Your local club is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of $50.00 per year, with an initiation fee of around $100.00 (give or take a few bucks) Can't afford it? Tough. Life is hard (then you die) Pay up, or move on. It costs us all the same. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT FAIR. IT COSTS US ALL THE SAME THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT FAIR. How many times does that have to be said to you before you understand the concept. If I am forced to pay the way for someone who cannot afford to pay, then you are forcing communism on me. This is not some liberal tree hugging organization. That's an ides. You can join the Sierra Club. Dang !!! they have a membership fee as well. Tough once again, life is hard (then you die) You want to talk about fair? Let's talk about the 1/2 A guys. They have been flying little bitty lightweight models for the last 60 or so years, and we have never heard them complain. How about the rubber power folks? Anyone heard them complaining? Didn't think so. How about the ControlLine guys? They fly on steel cables. They won't let the models get more that 70 feet away from them. Heard any beefs from them? Didn't think so either. Let's talk about the glider Boys. Nope they ain't making noise. Now along comes the electric conversion guys. Quiet too. Here's you guys with your cheap park flyers, and suddenly you have discovered a wonderful new thing called Radio Controlled flying. But....But...Holy crap!!! thid thing is expensive. Got news for you there MAC this has always been an expensive hobby. Bill, AMA 4720 |
RE: Variable Rate Program.
ORIGINAL: captinjohn Stickbuilder: You should be ashamed for saying...It should cost everyone $1000 to join the AMA and $2000 to join a club. If you had your wish....a lot Of RC fans would not have any chance to fly...legally in many places. The AMA and clubs that do good would suffer far more than you crashing your plane. But you say....Its easy, just glue the pieces back togeher. Capt,n Bill AMA 4720 |
RE: Variable Rate Program.
ORIGINAL: captinjohn Stickbuilder: You should be ashamed for saying...It should cost everyone $1000 to join the AMA and $2000 to join a club. If you had your wish....a lot Of RC fans would not have any chance to fly...legally in many places. The AMA and clubs that do good would suffer far more than you crashing your plane. But you say....Its easy, just glue the pieces back togeher. Capt,n Bill AMA 4720 |
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Well get your club together that is willing to pay that mutch. I bet you could count the members on...well... not to many fingers. Oh I hope you enjoy each other. Sooth landings there!!! Capt,n
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ORIGINAL: captinjohn Well get your club together that is willing to pay that mutch. I bet you could count the members on...well... not to many fingers. Oh I hope you enjoy each other. Sooth landings there!!! Capt,n John flying Radio Controlled model airplanes is not an inalienable right that the constitution of the Untied States of America guarantees you. It is a hobby. An avocation, something you do for giggles. Maybe you should find something to do with your spare time until you can really afford to take this hobby up. Let's be serious for just a minute, then, you can go back to hating my guts. How many flyable models do you own? I mean right now, you could set them on the ground and fly them? One? Two? Three? It does not matter how many you have, because my question to you is this. If you crashed the airplane that you are going to fly tomorrow, and the crash was so severe that the model was not repairable, I mean it screwed up the receiver, and servos and everything, (even got dirt in the transmitter) Would you be able to replace everything with one of equal value by next weekend? John if you had to answer that question with a NO, you probably have chosen the wrong hobby. Bill, AMA 4720 |
RE: Variable Rate Program.
Easy, it does not work that way. Like the US, it does not matter how many dollars you have involved, you still only get 1 vote.
As far as rich people having more at stake then others. Well that there is a false statement if you change the lost monetary value into a percentage of what the rich persons net worth is. To me a 150.00 dollar loss would be about the same as a 5000 dollar loss to someone that is worth more then myself. |
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ORIGINAL: Rat1 Easy, it does not work that way. Like the US, it does not matter how many dollars you have involved, you still only get 1 vote. If money were votes then Bill Gate and Donald Trump would be trying to vote themselves into the presidency. |
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Nope reread edited post.
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I know EasyTiger is just brandishing is own tormenting style of humor. Not sure about Stickbuilder though....
At any rate.. I go back to my original post. "Maybe $58 for everyone isn't such a bad idea" |
RE: Variable Rate Program.
ORIGINAL: Rat1 Easy, it does not work that way. Like the US, it does not matter how many dollars you have involved, you still only get 1 vote. If money were votes then Bill Gate and Donald Trump would be trying to vote themselves into the presidency. As far as rich people having more at stake then others. Well that there is a false statement if you change the lost monetary value into a percentage of what the rich persons net worth is. To me a 150.00 dollar loss would be about the same as a 5000 dollar loss to someone that is worth more then myself. |
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Nope, conversely you should be paying a much higher persentage then myself. you have a much more dangerous model then I do and your model is more likely to inflict alot more damage with possible fatalities then mine is.
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RE: Variable Rate Program.
Okay, fine. But again, since Bill Gates(and I) have much more at stake, much more to lose, it's only fair that we get more votes.
For that matter, if I am paying more for AMA, I want more votes there, too. Fair's fair. Sorry. |
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your model is more likely to inflict alot more damage with possible fatalities then mine is. I'm not taking anyone's side here, just stating possibilities. |
RE: Variable Rate Program.
Yet another reason why these larger owners of larger models should be paying more.
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RE: Variable Rate Program.
Coolbean, first off we would have to find a dry forest in North Dakota. You would be lucky to find a small group of trees muchless a forest.
As for the Lipo, well many lipos have been reported to be fully drained in lost aircraft with no fire hazzard being reported other then the pack was not able to be charged. Many models are lost each year with Lipos in them and none yet have started any type of fire. Now if you are pulling some High amps from them while flying hard and fast, they have been known to puff a little but not actually burst. Most Lipo fires that I have seen reported are those that were started or caused by improper charging. |
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Actually I have seen at least a couple reports of lipos being damaged enough in a crash to generate a short between cells and causing a fire.
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RE: Variable Rate Program.
Stickbuilder: Boy you are really pulling at straws now. I am not replying to your way of thinking, for the fun of it. I can well aford what I want. Its the ohers I think about that should not have to pay as mutch for AMA insurance as the guys that fly $5000 and up aircraft. Again...its others I am going to bat for. Who are you going to bat for? You expect RC fans to pay $1000 for AMA...
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RE: Variable Rate Program.
ORIGINAL: EASYTIGER ORIGINAL: captinjohn Hey....you can rattle on about telemarketers and XY and Z. The bottom line is we need a more fair way of getting AMA insurance. Its simple...if you got expensive RC eqipment and do compete....you should have to pay more than the part time low dollar RC flyers that just fly for fun once in a while. Also the guy that does not want cheap planes at his field....I hope you crash your big buck show off stuff. Just do not crash it when anyone is around. On second thught though...you probably have the $$$$ to get another. While the rest of us not so rich ones must help you pay for the same for AMA coverage.:eek: Seriously, who needs slobs with no money in this hobby? Poor people steal a lot, firstup, and secondup, they just cannot afford decent models. I mean, we really don't WANT Slowsticks, GWS Zeros, or anything of that low-buck parkflyer ilk showing up at our field. Why are we even HAVING this conversation? I mean, you cannot afford AMA, so what's your point? Boy thats the first time I have heard such a statment made that poor people should not be in this hobby. and your club requires you to clear 100k to join. I dont clear that and I know of very few working people that do. if only the rich could be in this hobby the AMA and Great Planes and most of all the other business and organizations that make money of this hobby would have long since gone under |
RE: Variable Rate Program.
I was being as absurd as were you. You made the, "Ihope you crash your $5000.00 model airplane" statement. That takes you out of this brotherhood. I don't think that anyone who would make such a statement belongs in this hobby. you might want to read the PM that I sent you, if you want to know what I really think of you. You have doubled that opinion (in spades) Once again. Fair means everyone pays the same thing.
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RE: Variable Rate Program.
Never mind me. I just come here to enjoy the collegiality among all those of us who love model aviation. [:o]
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RE: Variable Rate Program.
Good point Jim, and with that I think we'll let this argument subside.
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