RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

BS and you know nothing about web sales, obviously. It's not so simple as you say. It will completely break the system if it's not automated. Reports have to be generated AUTOMATICALLY on checkout to their customer instantly, not wait for someone to push the system. That's what seperates a professional web store from an amatuer and I don't consider myself or my company amateur. I have no reason not to offer additional discounts. If AMA would setup access to make it automated I would do it in a second. You think I have something against AMA members or something??

As far as honor system, give me a break, why not just run the affiliate program then???? Which I already do. There is the honor system, it's RIGHT THERE.

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

I guess STL cannot figure a way to git-r-dun:D

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

Like I told you before, there are guys that talk big and guys that do big, you do A LOT of talking.

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

Yes!

You talk in circles again.

You have already posted that the members are one reason you haven't joined the AMA.


If you can give the affiliated program the honor system you certainly could do the same for those claiming to be AMA members and if after you find that they have lied you can refuse to sell to them altogether unless you like dealing to liars.

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

But you do much more talking...let's see... you have posted 7 times as much as myself in almost half the time! You are right!

Picture me[sm=bananahead.gif]....thumbs in ears wiggling fingers going nah,nah na nah....:D

You are full of yourself![sm=bananahead.gif]

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

Well lets see, I spent 2 full years supporting OMP and AeroFlyPro support forums on RCU, that would account for quite a bit of post counts.

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

BS excuse as always...here explain this big talk;

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

Is it's your lifes mission to follow me around and try to find everything I do wrong? Are you that bored with life?????

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

BTW There are at least 15 pages that are for the most part is similar. After that I just got tired of looking but I am sure there are many more. Anyone that cares can search STL's posts and see for themselves.

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

(...yawn...) well, lets see whats cooking.... hmmrrr

LCS-
I see what you mean about the block, you cant escape the nonsense even when you deploy the red hand from all the quoting that goes on here.

So the automated system adjusts for backorders at checkout? Or like that one place with the 4" box for cheap shipping that you dont get till it is packed (the computer doesnt try to fit props into boxes with servos & receiver already in the box). AutomatedOrders get adjusted all the time, and seems a script to poll the ama online check wouldnt be unreasonable, If I could get a PICK db to poll an active page via a dummy LPR return thru a redhat scriptbox, he could easily get a report of an order number that needs to get the AMAdiscount looked up.....

But since he already has an inhouse membership/affiliate base discount, just Tier it with a AMA querey on the membership application, check the AMA online, then activate the AMA dicsount membership tier just like the AffiliateTier discount. Maybe the guy will wait a day to get 10-15% off a few hundred dollars of ARF buying.

LCS, just give him the RedHand and let the others suffer his spoutings

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

STL, that may be true. Or maybe it is the fact you talk in circles and for whatever the reasons people buy into that crap. I have been witness to the double standard without repercussions much too often.

Case example; there is a club here(core controlling group) that openly boycotts a LHS due to the owner proposing that the club allow better input from club members on club matters. It has been absolutely astonishing that self professed Christians would take such action against a person to destroy his livelihood especially since the LHS has done so much to promote the club and the hobby itself in this area. I will never forget the actions of so many to hurt a few. Yes, it happens in the name of (blind) organizational allegiance…we have seen it before in history and apparently most have not learned the lesson.

Yes! I take exception to self righteous AMA members or anyone else that try to portray the problems of this hobby as something to be attributed to individuals or individual hobby shops.

You need to get real! I will try to see that it happens.

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

Kid I fully understand where you are going, but what your asking is complex based on the system, we used, but it could be done.

There is another idea, which would utilize the gift certificate function instead sounds much more efficient. Something on our end that would pick the db and then automatically generate a gift certificate number which we had already automatically generated and then emails them that code when they check out.

The only problem with that is that each gift cert code would have to be manually generated per sale or else the code would float out to cyberspace. Personally I don't really care if someone passes a 5% extra discount to someone else, but I want it to be fair for the legit AMA member.

I know you can create gift certs for one time use and it goes in the trash, but again to generate all these numbers manually would take a good amount of time.

Think about it and I'll roll with it .... I like it.

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

So what your saying is the guy who brought up the subject in the first place is cool with it and in your shop it's like discrimination. I guess you'd call that different strokes for different folks.

Like I also said, this is how we do it and how it works in General Aviation and it works rather well. Those AOPA and EAA cards work REAL FAR outside of their own organization, they are actually worth something. This include where we buy our gas and other aviation toys. This is why there are a 800,000 people show up at EAA's OshKosh every year which is 4 times more then their own membership. Tightly meshed group who we pay $40 to ONLY to belong to the club and to get their magazine. The pilot shops and FBO's work for them, because they know it will create repeat business.

But I guess for those 600,000 non EAA members that show up for an official EAA event, they are outcasts and their input should not be received by EAA members? Ummm no, heck they are even allowed to come inside the EAA members only tent, cool off, have some free water bottles and meet and greet other EAA members, like Burt Rutan, no card required. Never ... we would NEVER do something like Y'ALL do in our organization. Why would we want to kill our own membership, like you guys want too. That's just for little boys with little toys, "AMA Ambassadors", ha. Members or not we call ourselves "pilots" or "aviation enthusiasts", not trolls like Y'ALL do.

And I don't hold anything against AMA members, I hold AMA members partially responsible for the downfall of their organization. Which unfortunately trickles its way down into the rest of the RC flying community, which just plain sucks. Just a little outside looking in perspective. Take a year off from the AMA and you'll see it too. It's as clear as the sun shines.

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

Little children, little children. Such pettiness.

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

Oh and one other point and I'm done my little rant in regards to the low #'s at the AMA.

The funny thing about you guys is that this is not even AMA's website, this is RCUniverse's website, a website for RC enthusiasts, yes even this thread and you still make people like outcasts for not belonging to your club and still stating their biased and unbiased opinions. I can only imagine what the reception would like like inside of the proud Official AMA Ambassadors AMA forum, you would constantly bicker about non members "trolling" in your official AMA forum. Personally I wouldn't step foot in an AMA member forum member or not a member. I see how you act already in other peoples houses and how you only think AMA members knows whats best for the RC modeling world. Well unfortunately AMA's numbers speak for themselves in regards how outsiders feel about the AMA.

So in regards to the OP's post, this is my opinion about one of the main reason why the numbers are falling. A lot ... I mean a lot of you AMA Ambassadors really make non members and other members feel and look like crap, I guess it's a person preservation thing??? Or do you guys only care about 1 thing, yourselves???

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

Back to topic... I don't dislike the AMA one bit.. I think it's great. People make or break a club, not insurance carriers. End of story.

In my opinion, anything that helps the middle man out in this sue happy world we now live in is a blessing. My homeowners insurance costs a heck of a lot more than AMA. To each his/her own I suppose.

I also think that the numbers are falling becuase this hobby is getting pretty expensive overall. I remember way back when ARF's cost a gazillion bucks (EZ kits) and kits were pretty cheap and the accessories and covering materials were relatively inexpensive. Now it costs more to build a kit than it does to buy an ARF.

Prices and people drive people away, not AMA :)

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

So far as I have been able to find in this thread, this is your first mention specifically directed toward low AMA numbers. You have, however, spoken of your total lack of regard to those who have been members long enough to have a so called low number. But, there is one thing that you can take to the bank... You have one of the lowest numbers...0 (zero)(nothing)(zip) Dion, you are not any number, since you are not a member. So not being a member, why do you persist in coming to the forum that is dedicated to the discussion of the Organization to which you do not belong? Please don't give us the first amendment arguement. Tell us, what possible good do you derive from these visits. You can have no possible bearing on any meaningful discussions herein, since you are not a member, so what possible good do you get from it? I hope that this question is posed in such a manner that even you can understand, and will give us your honest answer. Oh, yes, I do have a so-called low number, and I got mine the old fashioned way. I have been renewing it for years.

Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

I am new to the hobby and have just filled out my AMA membership application and sent it in. I do not wish to learn to fly on my own and I dont own property on which to fly on. I have talked to members of a local flying field and all seem nice and eager to help me. Additionally I will now have others to look over my planes to ensure they are safe to fly.

The $58.00 a year is a bargain compared to the $45.00 I blow every month for cable television.

I'm happy to join the AMA!

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

Welcome to the AMA. Please do not allow what you see in this thread to color your judgment. We are at present dealing with a disgrunteled former member, and that is what you are seeing here. It is normally like this in this forum, but will not be so at the flying field, or at your club meeting/gatherings. Happy flying.

Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

Obviously it bothers you enough that you even respond to me, doesn't it? I can say whatever the heck I want, whenever I want and I don't really give a crap what you think or have to say about it. Your reply pretty much summed up exactly every point I made in regards to your utopian AMA dreamworld. The way you are is how you represent YOUR AMA.

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

You don't even follow instructions well, do you. Please go back, read the post, and please respond. Several of us are really interested in your motives. By the way, we have formed a nuw group. You are not invited to that one either, In fact, you are the focal point.
Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1
J.R.T. Member #4 (and still growing)

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

Uh Oh, who are the other 3...and have I been reported yet?:) And who does the report go to?

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

That's easy, Stick, LCS, KidEpoxy and some other hillbilly who I can't figure out right now.

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

Beeeeeeeeep....Beeeeeeeeep...Beeeeeeeeep... JERK ALERT....JERK ALERT... STL is in the vicinity...JERK ALERT...JERK ALERT

Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1
J.R.T. Member #4 (gettin' bigger all the time)

RE: I will never join AMA and why low #s joining
 

Maybe we will start another group called JAWG or "Jerk Advocate Watch Group". We can then report to the head jerks about jerks who are really being jerks because they keep getting jerked by the head jerks resulting in one big circle jerk.
:)Scott