Gone to a Higher Plane

I picked up my new WM 300s 80" in military silver and blue. The fit and finish is second to none and they seem to be using more sandpaper before covering. The fuse is a work of art and every single joint I could see had plenty of that stuff they finally discovered(GLUE). I have just started the plane and will take pictures and post them on my web site if any body was to look.

I know some of you are going to say a Saito 180 will not be enough but for now that's all I have and at 14lbs. a 3D plane it aint but I just want to talk to someone who has had this plane and will the power be enough...it is rated as a 160 2s plane so I am guessing the 180 should do pretty good.

Any one out there flying this plane tell me what you think of of it in all aspects.

Flyfalcons

Awesome flyer. Very smooth for precision maneuvers and is solid in 3D as well. You'll like it a lot. It's an Extra, what else can I say? I think this model is better than the GP Extra, but that's just me.

Gone to a Higher Plane

Well the further along I get with this kit the more quality I see . I have done a bunch of ARF's and this is by far the best yet but I am still a little worried about the Saito 180 being enough power.
I am not looking for 3D...I got that already but it gets boring and I am a pattern flyer by nature so I just hope it is enough p[ower...my Sig Extra did very well on the 180 but I never weighed it but they are very much alike in size so my fears may unfounded..lets hope.

COL J

Yes, I would have to agree. I bought their GS P-51 (Ridge Runner) and am very pleased with the quality of construction. Their hardware in some cases I don't think is good enough for this size of plane.

BigBirdFlyer

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I have the WM Extra with a ZDZ 50 in it. I originally had a Brisson 2.4 in it and didn't quit get the performance I wanted. Most people are putting 50cc gas engines in them. Mine flies great and will do any maneuver you want to do. With a Mejhlik 20 X 10 and the ZDZ 50 I have unlimited vertical and plenty of reserve power.
I hope this helps you.

Gone to a Higher Plane

Ron...you trying to make me feel bad or what??I asked what to expect on a 180 ...not a 50cc motorcycle engine. Thanks

Flyfalcons

What prop does your 180 swing, an 18x6 or 18x8, somewhere around there? If your plane is at 14 pounds then you should expect very good performance. It will certainly have better wing loading than a gasser. The 50cc is definitely a powerful engine but you don't need all that power to enjoy this plane's flight qualities.

Gone to a Higher Plane

Ryan ...thanks for the realistic answer. What prop would you recommend using Cool Power 30%?
Carl

Flyfalcons

I'm the wrong guy to talk to about how to run a Saito 180. Check the instruction book or Horizon's site or the engine forum to see what will work best.

JimboP

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According to the Saito manual the sport/scale props for the 180 are 17x8, 18x6 or if you want more speed then go with the aerobatic recommendations of 15x12, 14x14 or 14x13.5. I don't have a 180, just reading from the manual.

JimboP

Airbike

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Hi,
I'm using a 17x6 apc prop on my Saito 180 powered Sig Extra 300xs, approx 13 1/2 lbs, good overall performance. basically almost unlimited vertical (just slower than when I had a BME 50 on it!) A 16 x 8 apc would be good to try also. It gives more speed if you don't need to climb from a hover or torque roll.
The BME 50 turned that plane into a heavy rocket. Great verticals but at the expense of high wing loading and the occasional inadvertant snaps!
Hope this helps.

springcreek

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I had a Saito 180 for awhile. It was first in a H9 Edge 540 and then in a Giles G-202. The best prop I found for that engine was an APC 18-6W. It also flew decently although considerably faster with less vertical performance on an APC 16-8. Zinger and Pro Zinger props in the same range also worked well but not as efficient as the APC. The WM Extra / Saito 180 should be an excellent combo for sport, IMAC, pattern type flying. You said you aren't looking for all out 3D so you won't be dissappointed. I had a Sig Extra 300XS with a G-38 and a friend had one with a Saito 180. The G-38 was a little stronger at the expense of more weight and higher wing loading. His 180 pulled the Extra around quite nicely except for vertical 3D stuff.
I also experimented with nitro content. I found that the Cool Power 30% netted 400 rpm more than Cool Power 15%. Unless you have to have the extra power, you can get by a little cheaper with the lower nitro fuel.
Hope this helps.

Gone to a Higher Plane

Thanks for all the good info everyone....looks like I may go thru a few before I find the right combo.
Carl

Cyclic Hardover

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Consider a Moki 210 or OS BGX3500. They pull the heck out of it. OS160fx is okay but not like the other two.

Hook

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Just to let everyone know: This weekend I experienced flutter in my horizontal stab while pulling a vertical manuver. I have appx 20 flights with this plane and no problems. I have an OS160 swinging a 17x8 APC. The flutter broke the fuse just in front of the stab and fin assembly down and arround the servos on both sides of the fuse. When I saw the flutter I immeadiately pulled back throttle and landed. The fuse seems week in this area that is why I glued my stab instead of relying on those puny screws to hold everything down. I would be curious if anyone else has had this problem especially those running gas? I am goping to contact WM in hope they will fix this problem. My plane has never been crashed or even experienced a hard landing. It flies like a dream at 14lbs 7ozs.

Ricmussman

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I have this plane as well and I love it. I originally intended to put on the Saito 180 for this bird, but I changed my mind and went with the MDS 2.18. Yes folks that is right MDS! Many ppl are having problems with theirs but mine is AWESOME. I have it set up stock with their radial mount and a BCM Muffler and it swings a 20 X 8 prop at 8150 RPMs. At 14.25 Lbs it is incredible. I run 5% wildcat fuel and I have never had a dead stick landing. I still am running the engine rich too, but it is great.

I got the engine combo for $160.00 with mount and muffler. I figure I can buy 34 gallons of fuel until I get to $500.00 (price of a good Gasser) and at 8 flights/gallon that is 272 flights. That should be good. Plus my plane is less that 14.5 lbs and most gas ones are 17-18 lbs.

As to the origianl quetstion about the 180. I run a 180 on my H9 Cap 232. It swings a apc 16 X 8W on 15% Wildcat fuel for four strokes. It is a great combo. I changed my mine because it weighs in a 12Lbs and I didn't think it was enoug engine on the WM 300S. I am sure it will fly it, but it will be nominal on its vertical. Most manuevers will be a full throttle and you will not have any get out of trouble power. I would reconsider and keep the 180 for a 10-13 lbs aircraft. I am going to get the DP Ultimate 300 next for my 180.

I hope this helps.

Tired Old Man

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Just for comparison purposes, I was flying a WM CAP 232 (78") with an MDS 1.48. The plane with fuel came in at 14lbs. and flew great. It would not 3D, but it wasn't intended to. A light plane will fly well with a smaller engine. You may have to reduce your expectations a little, though.

Silversurfer

BigBirdFlyer

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I haven't heard of any one else having a problem with flutter. I have about 3 gallons of gas through my ZDZ 50. I have just started to learn 3D and the Imac Basic. None of he maneuvers have shown any sign of flutter. My plane weighs 15 lbs.
Did you tape and seal your hing lines ( elevator & ailerons ) ?

Carlos Murphy

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You can see Johnny-baby Beach stuff one of these together along with a 3W-50 gas burner in Model Sport Video Magazine #MS0503.
World Models have come a long way, I've had and have many including a Miss America(replaced gear) and a Ridge Runner, both with Saito 180 pumped engines.