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Old 09-23-2009, 01:50 PM
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Yes 5 oz to me is not right, I hate that much dead weight on such a small plane! I have the battery under the fuel tank as far forward as it can go, the reciever is stock position but it is the small Futaba 2.4 I even stuck the OS 46 ax all the way out and still now needs 3 oz. Not even epoxyed the tail feathers down yet! I did change the tail wheel to a Dubro sure not much diffrent in weight! The CG is set at 2 1/2 inch from leading edge as suggested in the manual! Maybe have to put a 60 sized on it just to balance out without all that weight at least the weight would be doing something like flying the wings off! hmmmm
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I can tell you that a 60 is just going to destroy your plane. An OS 46FX with a MA 11X6 prop will maintain level flight with this plane at less than 1/4 throttle. I don't know the weight difference in the tail wheels but the DuBro wheel has to be heavier and thats contributing to your problem. All along I've told anyone who would listen to build the plane by the book and it will come out light and sporty. But many owners have insisted on beefing up things and have had issues. Change the tailwheel back to the origional and see if that helps. Epoxy on the tail feathers is also not necessary in my opinion. This is a great light weight plane that I am convinced could be flown with a strong 25 .
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OV7, I was just venting with the 60 size! never planned on putting it on, Anyway I had put on an macs muffler and looked it up tonight and it is 2 oz's lighter then the stock so even with adding 5 oz it comes ot at 3 oz more that is what i would have had to add with the stock muffler, You think that is still to much for such a small plane? Thanks Bob
Old 09-24-2009, 12:23 AM
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Well no matter how it goes you will have to balance the plane. You could use an aluminum spinner and that would probably solve your problem but thats pretty expensive. I'd just go with the heavier muffler, change the tailwheel back to the origional and add whatever weight it needs from there. I don't think a few ounces will be much of an issue. You might also consider the weights Great Planes makes that goes ahead of the propeller and under the spinner. They are not very expensive and since the weight will be about as far forward as possible it should take less; http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...ight&search=Go

You must have just gotten one that has really dense wood in the rear.
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Thanks OV7!
Old 09-26-2009, 10:00 AM
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Guys

My Cowl has been on backorder forever. Can someone tell me if the stock spinner size looks right on the cowl? Trying to have all the parts ready for when the cowl finally arrives. A nice Alum Job would look great and thats the direction I'm heading.

Thanks!

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Old 09-29-2009, 01:11 PM
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Sorry for the extreme lack of attention, maiden flight went well. She handles very nicely on exponential, landings are very easy. Lost the canopy 2nd flight out doing snap rolls, thought the elevator came off, brought her back fine then spent a half hour with two other guys walking through 3ft dry weeds before we found it. Put the canopy back on and added a piece of blue tape and flew again.

After I got the plane home i noticed either loading or unloading i managed to snap the vertical stab. A little CA and extra monokote and I'm back in business.

After 12 flights the stock tail wheel is holding o.k. I'll fly it until it comes apart. I don't expect that to be much longer, ground handing is getting more difficult as things loosen and the spring seems to be weakening, bending right of left after each landing.

Now i have a new project, at the Club's family day I won a .60 Cub, just need wheels, I will use the engine and servos out of my P-51 while I repair the firewall.

Buster hasn't been out to the field with me very much, he doesn't handle being tied up well when so many friends are around. If I let him loose he goes straight for the pits. Also the summer here has been really hot, over 100 by around noon, not so good for a dog accustom to A/C.

Happy flying,
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Old 09-29-2009, 02:05 PM
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Guys

My Cowl has been on backorder forever. Can someone tell me if the stock spinner size looks right on the cowl? Trying to have all the parts ready for when the cowl finally arrives. A nice Alum Job would look great and thats the direction I'm heading.

Thanks!

Tommy D
The cowl takes a 2.5 inch spinner.

Bruce
Old 09-30-2009, 07:43 PM
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Default RE: Great Planes Escapade .40 ARF

One way to help balance a tail heavy plane is to just ditch the tailwheel and bend a wire skid. Getting rid of a 1/2 oz tailwheel is like adding 2 oz to the nose...except you're subtracting instead. Steerable skids work great on grass. You'll forget you ever had a wheel.
Old 10-02-2009, 11:55 AM
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Well, I'm mostly finished with the plane. i have the wing finished and just have to bolt on the servos and install the motor and associated components.
I have some questions, I was not able to fully assemble both haves of the wings. There is a very small gap with the junction near the trailing edge. Is this normal? Also, There is a gap of about 2-3mm where the vertical stab meets the fusalage. I don't think tightening the bolts are going to bring it closer. Is this normal or do I have to remove the ver/hor stab and sand down the vertical stab? Seems very sturdy to me.
I'll see if I can get some photos up later.
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Yes mine had a gap not big but it was there! It is one of the smallest wings that I have so I worked on it and got it close epoxyed the wing halfes and then used white monocote to cover the seam! as far as the tail section it fit perfect, I am going to change the tail wheel because mine was tail heavy had to add 5 oz's to the nose and want to get rid of most of that to all of the 5 oz! Let me know when you balance it how it balanced and what engine you used? I put the battery under the fuel tank compartment all the way forward and still the 5 oz tail heavy! Bob
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thanks bob, the tail section when in fine after i fiddled around with it for a while. I noticed today that the elevator had some up/down play.I looked at it and it was just slightly off center. I moved it laterally and snapped in place.One more thing, does your wings fit seamlessly with the fusalage?I'm putting in an evo .46 in mine but havent gotten that far yet.
Old 10-03-2009, 11:32 PM
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Good glad things are coming to gether for you! Yes I did have a small gap between the wing and the fuge so I used a very thin wing foam tape to seal it! looks good! Well keep us informed and take care! Bob
Old 10-05-2009, 07:34 AM
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Thanks for all those tips. Here she is.. Still have to put in the throttle servo, adjust some linkages and and the reciever
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:40 PM
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4 Hobbico digital micro servos (Still quite powerful) using single aileron servo. Smaller Dubro 6 oz tank (Will still fly for 1/2 hour). Light spinner and a light receiver.
A700 mA battery, Note that the battery had to be mounted under the engine to balance the airplane. More could be done but it weighs in at 4 lbs.
Unlimited vertical and a fun flyer. Little sensitive in the wind but I love this aircraft.
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Previous post describes my light Escapade buildt light weight, I have been told that lighter is better but wanted to see for my self!
I went to my LHS and bought another Escapade. I installed an O.S. 55 AX (No baffle in the muffler) with 12x5 APC, 4 Hitec digital servos for the flying surfaces and a JR St47 for the throttle. Kept the original spinner and tank. 2000mA receiver battery.
Balance; Only weight added was in the left wing tip to compensate for muffler, Engine mounted as far back as possible.
The scale went to 5 1/2 lbs. A staggering 1 1/2 lbs more then my light weight Escapade (even more with a full tank).

So how did it fly?

I did go the extra mile in this setup and programmed flapperon (Minimal elevator mix needed for flaps) I also Setup Aileron differential.
The first thing I noticed after taking off was that it was a lot more stable and more control inputs where required. I chose to fly on high rates all the time. The aileron differential helps to make a straight roll. The lightweight Escapade has unlimited vertical but this one has ballistic vertical. I think it keeps on accelerating until I can hardly see it no more. Loops straight. Landings are noticeable faster then the Light Escapade that just floats in.
I think the extra weight andbigger propeller "creates more air over control surfaces" makes it alot more stable in windy and gusty conditions.
It flyes more precise then the light weight Escapade.

Conclusion, The heavier more powerful escapade is a better flyer but the lightweight in light wind is easier to land and will be less prone to break due to less weight and stress. In 3D light weight rules but as a sport flier weight dont hurt so much.

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Old 10-07-2009, 02:03 PM
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Wow you really have a light Escapade at 4lbs. I'd like to put one together with a strong 25 and see how it flies. Your Heavy one however isn't really heavy. The specs call for 5-5.5lbs. My wife's weighs 5lbs 2 oz. No surprise that it is better flying in the wind than a 4lb one, heavier wing load on the same airframe tends to land faster also. Neat experiment all around though.
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Beautiful plane, viking

One question: and just so you know I am not going to start this myself initially. My experience is solely based on 450 sized helis and a superstar ep.

I'm setting up my throttle linkage and I have it set like this. Throttle at half w/ trim at half should have the carb opening half way. Obviously full throttle - carb full open.
With throttle stick all the way down theres probably a 3-4mm gap. IS this correct? Or should there be no opening?
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You have it set up correctly. That way you engine runs at idle with the throttle stick all the way down with room to adjust idle trim and shut off your engine.
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I just picked up this plane this last week. What is the advantages of a single servo on the ailerons vs dual servos. Not sure which way I want to go. I am finished with my trainer so this is my second plane. Also I see that the cowl is not going to be available for another month. It is best to wait or just proceed with the build then put the cowl on?
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A single servo will mean a little less weight and expense. In theory 2 servos will give more precise aileron control, and allow flaperons or individual end points etc. If this is your second plane you probably won't gain much with the dual servo setup. Can't help on the cowl as my wife did not want that. Have a great time with the plane.
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If anyone is still having the problem with the canopy coming off a member at my field just put some small extra stiff springs over the dowels on the front of the canopy and hasn't had a problem since. Just a thought.
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Never had a problem with the canopy (at least with the Escapade). But that's a great idea using springs. I'll do that mod just for piece of mind.
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Well I'm just waiting for my tote, electric starter and glow plug ignitor from Tower..should be here on monday.
I bought some APC 11x6 props and guess what. They dont fit the nose cone. Seems like the root of the prop is too thick and the holes on the cone and back don't line up correctly. Has anyone had this problem? What props are you using. If I can't get 11x6 in another brand what should I get?
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I have done away with the nose cone and only use prop nuts on my sport planes that way never have any problem, Dubro makes really nice ones! And if you get kick back you just tighten it back up instead of having to take the screws out and tighten and put it all back together. its a 3 second job instead of a 3 min. job, and they fit all props of that size!

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