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Old 10-28-2009 | 10:32 AM
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Ok,
I give up.
This has been bugging me for ages and ages and I can't find an answer that makes sense.

What does T.O.C. mean in relation to aerobatic models?

(and if it's Tournament of Champions, I'll slit my wrists.....honestly, I will)
Old 10-28-2009 | 10:35 AM
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Call the Doctor, it is Tournament of Champions, sorry.
Old 10-28-2009 | 12:50 PM
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Sure is, contest series is dead though, but it is still used to define the type of models flown at that event. When was the last TOC? 2001? Geez what a bad year.

Make sure you slit your wrists in the bathtub so its easy for someone else to clean up.
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Before you go in the tub, Do you have any planes you want to get rid of?

Thanx

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For some computer generated flight plans, extensive ones that compute fuel burn etc, the TOC acronym stands for Top of Climb.

Want to guess what SOD stands for ?
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Clue us in Rock.
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I googled an acronym once....Turns out it was World Taekwondo Federation.

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First of all, SOD is one of my all time favorites, "Stormtroopers of Death"! Great old thrash band.

Now that I have lost most of you, The Tournament of champions, (before the airplane guys used the name), was a golf tournament sponsored by none other than Howard Hughes during his stint in Vegas. I saw this in a documentary about him. I would think the Las Vegas connection has a lot to do with why the event was called that.
If you did not think it was called the Tournament of champions, I would be interested to know what you thought it meant?
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ORIGINAL: Rebel Flyer

Before you go in the tub, Do you have any planes you want to get rid of?

Thanx

Rebel
HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAH i'm with you buddy! lol that was too good!
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ORIGINAL: Rebel Flyer

Before you go in the tub, Do you have any planes you want to get rid of?

Thanx

Rebel
Nope.
I'm going to take them all with me. All 24 unstarted, classic, pristine gems.
Na na nana na

Goodbye cruel forum.
Old 10-28-2009 | 08:19 PM
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ORIGINAL: vertical grimmace.
If you did not think it was called the Tournament of champions, I would be interested to know what you thought it meant?
Errm, Totally Out of Control?
Trying Out Crystal meth?
Tightens Old Cloacas?
Tiggywinkle's Old Curtains?

I just didn't know.
I turned away from the hobby for 2 seasons and TOC came and went leaving the modelling adverts littered with this cryptic TLA.
I mean, really, "Tournament of Champions" doesn't seem to be a particularlyinformative way of describing model aeroplanes, now does it?

Anyway, there's a nice warm bath awaiting..........................
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A TOC plane DOD
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Hey Rock,

On my computer flight plans SOD = Start Of Descent, something a certain flight crew recently overlooked enroute to MSP. Big mistake!!
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It's what follow TIC
Old 10-29-2009 | 05:59 AM
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Hey Rock,

On my computer flight plans SOD = Start Of Descent,

Yup

Back when computers were new to industry and the airlines were one of the first industries to see their value, I worked on a flight plan system being developed. I understand the mainline code is still chugging away. Needless to say the equipment data files would be for newer ac nowadays..... 727s and 1011s aren't exactly used a lot by the major carriers are they.
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ORIGINAL: MANFRED
Time flies like a brick through the window of life
Rather like the hedgehog of destiny meeting the Flymo of time.

Oh
Sorry
I should be quite cold by now.
Razors just aint what they used to be.

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To save yourself that final trip to the tub!

There are lots of different meanings for TOC outside of modeling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOC
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Rock,

Yes the paper computer flight plans are a thing of the past, but the same info and acronyms are presented to the pilots on the cockpit screens and flight plan computer screens. That's the info that the guys missed enroute to MSP. There are numerous visual warnings presented to the pilots if they miss such things as SOD. But, if you can't see the screens, you can't see the warnings. Personal lap top computers opened in your lap will block your view of the cockpit screens. As I said, Big Mistake!!
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ORIGINAL: vertical grimmace

First of all, SOD is one of my all time favorites, ''Stormtroopers of Death''! Great old thrash band.

Now that I have lost most of you,


most... not all
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Rock,

Yes the paper computer flight plans are a thing of the past, but the same info and acronyms are presented to the pilots on the cockpit screens and flight plan computer screens. That's the info that the guys missed enroute to MSP. There are numerous visual warnings presented to the pilots if they miss such things as SOD. But, if you can't see the screens, you can't see the warnings. Personal lap top computers opened in your lap will block your view of the cockpit screens. As I said, Big Mistake!!

Why were these guys not busy looking for traffic? Did they think the controllers were the only ones who were to make sure they were not about to run into another plane? What if annother ballon boy ballon made of plastic which the radar cannot see, got in their way and injested by the engines? Or a flock of geese? I think losing their license is too light, they should pay big fines as well.
Old 10-29-2009 | 04:10 PM
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Sport Pilot,

Good question. I know we've strayed a little from the thread, but to answer your question, TCAS (onboard collision avoidance systems) has made a lot of pilots lazy about looking for traffic. Plus, at the higher flight altitudes, only aircraft under radar control "should" be up there. But, what if they had met another airplane with a flight crew as inattentive as they were? Air traffic control would have been helpless to keep them separated. Why they didn't hear the contollers calling them is beyond me. I know of an airline pilot who was given some "time off" years ago when a passenger got a brief look into the cockpit as the fight attendant entered. He had put a navigation chart over a small section of the wind shield to block the sun. That's what sunglasses are for. Think about how the show teams in close formation deal with the sun. Not by covering a part of the canopy! They move their eyes to a different location on the lead aircraft.
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Sorry couldn't resist.
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