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bikerbc 03-14-2016 01:32 PM

New Hanger 9 Carbon Cub
I was wondering if anybody has one of the new Hanger 9 carbon Cubs . I looks like its going to be a popular plane .It was only in stock for a short time before it was sold out and back on backorder . I talked to my local hobby shop and he has two comming in but they are presold . He said that the next batch should be back in stock around the 17 of March . I have ordered one now ,like I need another Cub . I am thinking about putting my DLE 20 in it . It will be a little over powered but I expect to put this plane on floats and use it mostly for flying off the water . I wonder about their float set that they have for this plane . I wonder if they are an improvment over the 1/4 scale ones . They look much the same .. Any input will be apreciated ..

52larry52 03-14-2016 07:00 PM

bikerbc, You ordered one? I think I'am jealous ! Yes, I know i am !:mad: I spotted this plane's announcement about two weeks after pulling the trigger on a 90" Phoenix Super Cub, the white and blue one (like I needed another Cub). I wish I had waited and gone for the H-9 Carbon Cub even though it's more money. I am plugging along with the Super Cub but I am less than thrilled with some of the crude aspects of this ARF. The basic structure is nicely lazer cut but the interior and the firewall/engine mount area can only be called crudely done. Both were poorly hand painted with what looks like gray house paint, and both have multiple spots that need additional glue and filling and sanding for an acceptable finished look. I've got the cockpit area all smoothed and repainted and started on the firewall and motor mounts today. Nothing in the cockpit or firewall fit up without being redone. IE, the simple 2 piece nylon motor mount would not even come close to fitting on the firewall without cutting out wood and large chunks of hot glue to get the mount base to fit flush. They held the upper door half closed with 2 screws, I made a latch system. The blue side stripes were different side to side and not straight. I bought a roll of matching blue covering and redid them. The instrument panel is not correct scale Cub, I dressed it up with an upper edge padded crash pad (cockpit combing). There was no "V" frame bars in the front canopy, there is now! The main landing gear has uncovered big coil "door springs" showing (ugly), I'll make covers. The main gear wheel are made out of some kind of hard plastic, it now has Du-bro inflatable smooth tundra tires. And on and on. I expect, on any ARF, to upgrade and redo some stuff but this one has worn me out with too many items not usable out of the box. I'll plug along and make a nice plane out of it, BUT I should have waited and ordered (I didn't know about it then) the H-9 Carbon Cub. So, like I said....I'am jealous !:) Let us know how the carbon Cub is when you receive it. Before it's over I may have to order yet another Cub. Is there such a thing as "too many Cubs" ?

bikerbc 03-15-2016 06:07 AM

This will will be an even dozen flying for me when this one is in the air plus I have two in the bones that I need to cover so I guess you are rite , It seems there is always room for one more espially if its a nice one .

Whiskey Bravo 03-15-2016 10:26 AM

I have one on order with floats and while I am sure a 20 will fly it nicely I have a 35 I would like to try. I wonder if there would be room for the cowl to fit.

bikerbc 03-15-2016 07:48 PM

I wondered if my 20 was going to fit . It is set up for one of those new Evolution 15cc gas motors . I was hoping the 20 might fit because it is a beam mount and not much larger disp. than they are suggesting . It looks like You and I will be the Guiney pigs Wiskey Bravo . I will post my results when I get mine and hope you will do the same . I am very interested in the floats.. I have bought two sets of the 1/4 scale ones and been very disapointed with them . The customer support has more than made up for it though . I hope they have taken the oportunity to beef up their new 1/5 scale floats . I will most likley build my own out of solid styro foam . I have a buddy that will hot wire out the blanks for me so all I need to do is finish them . I do think that your 35 will be a bit too big to fit unless you lose about 1/4 of your cowl .I think the 35 would also be overpowered ,I think it would be better suited to a 1/4 scale . It may work out well for balance though and why add lead when you can add power that you don't have to use . If you already have one it is worth a try .

Whiskey Bravo 03-16-2016 05:55 AM

bikerbc, I had a GP 85" Citabria with a 35 that was a good flying airplane and with very similar dimensions to the Carbon Cub. I think with the added weight/drag of the floats it might be a good setup on the cub. Time will tell.
I know about the poor quality of the floats but I just had a thought that maybe the floats for the Avistar ARF at Tower would work as I have seen them and they appear to be well built and of similar size.

bikerbc 03-16-2016 01:30 PM

Thanks for your input Whisky Bravo . Did you order the Avstar floats ? It sounds like you could be on the rite track in the power dept. I lost a PA18 due to lack of power . I was using one of the recomended power plants too . So using the biggest powerplant you can fit in is better than running underepowered in my opinion I am just finishing up my second PA18 and in this one I am trying the VVRC 40 twin which seems to be a popular engine espially to the float flyers. Mine will be used with floats quite often . It will depend on how well I like it on floats , I have four 1/4 scale Cubs so dedicating one to water use will depend on a few different things . How easy it is to set up , how much power it has the visability etc etc...

Whiskey Bravo 03-17-2016 03:55 AM

I haven't ordered the Avistar floats yet but a friend just received his with floats so I will be looking them over for build quality. Wow four 1/4 scale Cubs, my first full scale was a 1941 Cub with a full restoration. In retrospect that was the most fun flying of all the airplanes I have had the good fortune to fly/own even if the semis would pass you up in a headwind. I have been thinking about a VVRC 40 in something like a Cub/PA18 on floats. Which PA18 are you putting it in?

bikerbc 03-17-2016 06:25 AM

The Hanger 9 PA18 . its actually a pretty nice plane for an ARF but I still like a kit built better .

Whiskey Bravo 03-17-2016 07:06 AM

Any mods you had to perform on the PA18 especially as relates to mounting the twin? Whose 1/4 scale Cubs are you flying and what power plants?

bikerbc 03-17-2016 10:31 AM

The twin fit into the PA18 better than any of the suggested motors that I have seen . I had the G26 and had to cut a lot out of the bottom of the cowl . The VVRC has two versions ,one with small plugs fit into the head on an angle and one with regular plugs set strait . You want the small plug version and it fits completly inside the cowl . It is an easy install . I have a BUSA 1/4 Scale Cub with a OS 160 gemini Twin in it . That looks so cool with the heads and exaust pipes sticking out the sides of the cowl . The only thing I don't really care for about that plane is how the wings mount . You need to get at the wing bolts from inside the cockpit, other than that it is a great flying plane . I think my favorite is my sig 1/4 Cub with anOS 120 in it . It has lots of power ,is easy to set up easy to fly . I have one Sig dedicated to floats also ,Its a bit tired and needs some time in the shop . I was hoping that the PA18 would take its place but unforunatly I did enough damage in a crash that I did't feel like reparing it so I am just finishing up my second one . I keep looking at the first one . I have two good wings and half the fuse and the tail .I could still rebuild her ..

Whiskey Bravo 03-17-2016 01:04 PM

Since you have a 40 twin can you advise how much the cylinder heads would project outside the cowl on say the Hanger 9 Cub? Might look kinda cool (no pun intended) however getting the cowl on and off past the heads could be a real problem.
What mufflers are you using on the 40?

bikerbc 03-17-2016 02:48 PM

The Hanger 9 Cub is a Super Cub . The Cowl is much wider ,the cyl heads do not stick out side at all .

Whiskey Bravo 03-17-2016 03:14 PM

I understand I guess I wasn't clear. I just thought that because you have the engine and therefore the dimensions and a H9 Cub you might be able to advise how much the cylinders would protrude.

bikerbc 03-18-2016 04:47 AM

If you were to purchace a Hanger 9 J3 Cub its cowl is not as wide as the Super Cub . The Twin's cylinder heads would stick out about 3/4 of an inch . enough that the exhaust pipes would have room to stick out too . As too the mufflers on the 40 ,it comes with two mufflers . I will be using them .They exit the exhaust out the bottom of the cowl through two small holes .

Whiskey Bravo 03-18-2016 08:36 AM

Thanks for the info.

andyclark 03-28-2016 01:22 PM

Just received my carbon cub, do you guys think a saito 182t would be too much motor for it? What about a saito 100t? Not enough? My last option would be an a.s.p. 160t interested in your views.

althepal88 03-29-2016 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Whiskey Bravo (Post 12190870)
Since you have a 40 twin can you advise how much the cylinder heads would project outside the cowl on say the Hanger 9 Cub? Might look kinda cool (no pun intended) however getting the cowl on and off past the heads could be a real problem.
What mufflers are you using on the 40?

I just cut an old Hang 9 J3 cowl in half and held it up to one of my 1/4 pounders to see how they would look. Not too cool; the jugs sit further back due to the longer crankshaft so the prop hub still sticks out. Then you would need their 2 into 1 header system and cut it way down. Better to put the VVRC 40 on and then adapt a Super Cub cowl (paint it yellow, of course) to the J-3. Check on the Hangar 9 PA-18 forum for pics. Hey, this is the Carbon Cub forum!!

althepal88 03-29-2016 02:53 PM

I have the new Cub still in the box (it is waiting its turn in line). I WAS going to use the OSGGT15, but after checking many things out like needle valve placement and air-cooling problems, I've decided to throw a DLE 20 RA on instead. Probably too much power, but I'll just set the carb to about half way for wide open. Curious to see what some of you guys run and the plusses and minuses of each.

althepal88 05-10-2016 07:51 AM

I haven't noticed any activity on this thread in a while. I set the DLE 20 to the fuse and cowl, and figured that it was going to take a lot to make this work. The lower half of the cowl will be butchered. So, I found an EVO 15cc and will go with that. This is not a very big a/c so the 20cc would have been off the chart. I just hate it when Hangar 9 designs an aircraft around their engines..............like the 20cc Tiger Moth and then they dropped the Evo engine that was recommended from their lineup. But, they build a fantastic airplane.

bikerbc 05-11-2016 08:22 AM

althepal88 I am disappointed to hear that the DLE 20 is a no go . That is what I was planning on using . I am still waiting as my plane is still on back order . I noticed in the pictures of the Cub with the Evo 15 installed that the muffler that was being used was sort of a square looking unit that fit under the motor mount . Not the same muffler that is displayed in the Evo 15's display spec page . I was wondering if you knew if you could use the stock muffler or would you need to purchase a special muffler? How bad do you need to butcher the cowal ? I already have a DLE 20 . If I had known that I was going to need to purchase an Evo. special for this plane I might have rethought ordering one . My buddy just bought one and the first one failed so was replaced and the second one he was unable to keep the muffler tight on it so he lost the muffler . The muffler cost I think it was $90.00 . So I am at this point a wee bit shy of Evo. engines . His second engine does run smooth as silk an has lot of power . Its the Evo. 33 . Anyway I would really like to know if I do get an Evolution 15 GX am I going to still need a muffler ?

althepal88 05-11-2016 07:40 PM

I will check it out tomorrow, as I have the optional muffler along with the stock one. I have been hearing from different friends of mine that lost the muffler bolts on their DLE 30 ra's, but haven't heard about the loss on a 20, yet. The muffler that is described cost's $46.00 from Horizon. The DLE may fit, but you will have to do some surgery on the mounts and of course, the cowl. The fellow that I bought my DLE 20ra from also sold me the EVO 15; said that he didn't have enough power from the Evo to get his into the air with floats. I'll send his information tomorrow as well.

althepal88 05-12-2016 07:25 AM

The DLE measures 5 1/2 inches from the hub to an open choke butterfly. The manual calls for 5 3/8 inches, firewall to hub. You would have to enlarge the firewall hole for air for the carb, then move the tank further back. It can be done, but you will still have to cut the bottom of the cowl out. As for the muffler for the 15 evo, it is the same muffler (Bisson) that is used on the 61 two stroke evo (and the OS and Mag). The square muff fits inside the cowl (I like) . The stock muffler will not clear. The engine mounts sideways so things are tight in there. I asked a fellow CC owner to chime in on this forum. Good luck!

bikerbc 05-13-2016 11:55 AM

I don't like the sounds of the Evo 15 having not enough power to get it off the water on floats , even if marginal I would sooner have more power . My DLE 20 is the side exhaust one so I would probably have to mount it up side down and remove the most of the bottom of the cowl . As for opening up the firewall I will deal with that too I guess . I am sure having second thoughts about this plane .

52larry52 05-13-2016 07:35 PM

bikrebc, Sorry to hear you're "having seconds thoughts about this plane". Two months ago I was having "second thoughts" about the Phoenix Super Cub I was assembling and expressed envy for not buying the H-9 Carbon Cub. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. I think the problem is that many ARFs are made to be too versatile , gas , glo, or electric powered and don't really hit the nail on the head well for anyone. Unlike a kit you build and custom fit for your power choice as you build it ( and other extra options such as hard points for floats, reinforcements, custom landing gear, etc.) it's a one size fits all, and really doesn't fit anyone. I liken it ( building/assembling an ARF) to building a ship in a bottle. The bottle is already built and you are trying to build a airplane that meets your needs and quality standards inside that "bottle" (the semi completed, covered airframe). The appeal of the nicely covered, good looking ARF, is the eye candy that sucks us in to not kit building and going with an ARF. I do both ARFs and kits, and I know you do too, and it's more ARFs than kits these days, but I grumble about something on every ARF I do. Sometimes it's a lot things to grumble about and I swear "no more ARFs", but of course the next good looking one that comes along gets bought. The fact that the ARF is cheaper than the cost to kit build a similar airframe is the other draw. Keep plugging along on the Carbon Cub, accept the irritations of the ARF and as you know, with enough of your improvements you will have another nice Cub in the fleet. I can now be so high and mighty (above all the ARF frustrations) cause today I completed my "Cub from hell", the Phoenix Super Cub, and will maiden it on Sunday. Four and a half months (on and off) to complete an ARF ! Lots of improvements and scale details added and now it looks like a million bucks. I'll let you know how it flys.

bikerbc 05-14-2016 06:26 AM

Thanks Larry , I always enjoy and appreciate your encouragement and input and definitely keep us up to date on your Phoenix Cub from Hell ( I must be a real nasty bugger cause that actually made me laugh ) I know what you mean . When there done you love them warts and all .

52larry52 05-15-2016 07:03 PM

bikerbc, OK biker you asked me to keep you up to date on the "Cub from hell" (Phoenix Super Cub), so here goes. Sit back and grab a cup of coffee because I may be a bit long winded with this.:) I did the maiden flight on it today and the quick cut to the chase story is that it was a successful maiden flight with no crash or damage. However, it was not as smooth and easy pre flight and in the air flight as I normally have. To use your term ( and I like that description so I have adopted it) there were a few "warts" to be addressed. First, my normal procedure with a new model is to test run the engine in the plane and do a taxi test in my yard and driveway to fix any engine running or idling issues, test the ground steering and see that the plane is ready for a high speed takeoff run. For various reasons that didn't happen and I took the totally unrun and untested plane to the field. The vintage (pre surpass) O.S. 120 four stroke had been run on my test stand before being installed in the Super Cub so I knew it was a "running" engine and I was ready to fix any issues that might come up in my at the field taxi test. The O.S. fired right up but wouldn't come close to holding an idle. My copilot and flying friend Ty and I reset the DX-7 throttle travel so we had a good idle but several times when we set the Cub out to Taxi test it the engine would quit. The engine had a brand new "F" plug so we were at a loss. It needled good, the idle was plenty high, yet it quit. We found that with leaving the glo starter on the plug it didn't quit (normal sign of a bad glo plug). So for the taxi test we left the glo starter on the plug dangling out the side of the cowl. On the ground the plane wouldn't turn left at all and not a whole lot to the right. All control movements were set up to the specs in the instructions. No matter, we then went back into the DX-7 TX and jacked the rudder movement up to 140 or 150 %. Now it would turn left somewhat and to the right pretty good. It had enough left action to now keep the plane in a straight line for a mock takeoff run. Throttle up and away we go, the tail comes up and continues to come up even with full up elevator....NOSE OVER ! No damage, back to the DX-7 and jack up the elevator travel, way up, so we can see lots of elevator travel. Ty and I both fly a lot of Cubs so I was fine with throwing in a lot of elevator even if it made the plane touchy on pitch (so much for setting it up by the instruction book). Another takeoff run, still with the glo starter dangling out the side of the cowl, and I can now steer it with the tail down, have pitch control with the tail up and it feels like it should fly so I do what any RC flyer would do......keep the throttle wide open and pull back on the elevator stick when the speeds seems good. LIFT OFF, we have LIFT OFF....it flys, even with the glo starter still in the dangling mode. I get some altitude and we began to trim it out. I have to fly it manually as it's WAY out of trim, wants to dive and roll a bit to the right. Copilot Ty starts to feed in lots of up elevator trim as I man the sticks to keep the plane in the air (we work well together, he's a good flyer). Still not near enough so lots more up elevator trim is put in and it now close so we move to the right roll with a fair amount of left aileron on a little rudder thrown in for good measure. I'am still on the sticks and Ty is doing the trim per my request. It takes two guys to fly a Cub doesn't it. It did for this one. So now it's trimmed pretty good, hands off for little bit, The glo starter still dangling out the cowl, and the old O.S. four stroke humming along. Been running close to WOT up to this point so I throttle back to a more normal scale Cub flying setting and the "white knuckling" is over. It flys good (now), and looks marvelous in the air. Oh BTY, did I mention that it's a another windy day here in West Georgia? Well it is, but no matter we fly and even test fly in the wind. Time to think about landing this thing. I drop down in altitude and set up for a landing pass, no flaps used, and the Phoenix Super Cub is nice and stable on final, good position control, but the idle even all the way down is still a little high. I think it will be OK and continue the final approach with a nice main wheels touchdown, It's starting to nose over so I pull up elevator to plant the tail...too much up elevator with the high engine idle gets it back off the ground a foot or so, keeping flying it on the sticks gets a nice second and final touchdown. A somewhat ragged but successful maiden flight. This ones done for the day, back to the shop with the plane in one piece to tweek on the issues encountered and I'll bring it back next flying day. Now, aside from the problems caused by not having taxi tested the plane at home before bring it to the field, I have to conclude that the set up throws in the instruction book are way to small, and the suggested C/G setting is also a little too far forward (nose heavy). The book calls for 3.75" (about 27% of MAC) on the C/G and mine came in with no ballast at 4.0" behind the LE (about 30% of MAC) and that's the way I flew it (a little more tail heavy then the spec). I think it could be even set a little bit more tail heavy, another % or two. Tomorrow in post flight I will measure just what amount of control movement we put in to make it flyable and if anyone is interested, post what those numbers are for a better starting point for others putting one of these 91" Phoenix Super Cubs together. With final tweeking this will be a good Cub. BTY it came in with a RTF weight (dry) of 14.2 lbs, the specs say it will weigh 10-11 lbs. Not much accurate info in that book.

52larry52 05-31-2016 10:47 AM

bikerbc, Well it was 2 weeks ago I did the "wart filled" maiden flight of the Phoenix Super Cub. Last Sunday (our group normally flys on Sun.) we had 21 MPH winds with gusts over 30 MPH, but we still flew, just no Cubs and no test flights. This weekend our group (West Georgia R/C Flyers) voted to fly on Monday, our Memorial Day holiday (yesterday) and I am pleased to report that the warts are all gone and the Phoenix Super Cub did indeed fly "super". In the shop I had addressed all the little nagging issues, reset all the set ups, and another new O.S."F" glo plug fixed the need to fly with the glo igniter dangling out the side of the plane :). What a sweet flying Cub...looks great too if I must say so myself. This time it required only a couple of elevator and aileron trim clicks to fly hands off. No issues at all, just an enjoyable stress free scale flight. Earlier in the day I had flown both my 1/5 th and my 1/4 scale Hanger-9 J-3 Cubs so I had a direct comparison to two of my other good Cubs. It is right up there with them, It's a keeper! The "Cub from hell" is now "a hell of a good Cub". Here are the control throw specs that I successfully flew the Phoenix Super Cub with yesterday and would recommend to anyone setting one of these up ........Elevators 27 mm up and down; ailerons 24 mm up and down; rudder 30 mm left and right; flaps two steps 8 mm and 27 mm. I didn't use the flaps yesterday so those specs may require a change. Bikerbc, I hope your Carbon Cub issues can also be overcome with a fine flying Cub coming out of it. Stick with it !

bikerbc 06-01-2016 05:55 PM

Congratulations Larry that is great news . Mine is still on backorder . If I hadn't already paid I would back out for sure . Believe it or not I actually had a dream about your Cub ,more of a nightmare actually , I became my Cub , I couldn't get it back on the ground , it was still in the air when I woke up sweating . I was the weirdest flying thing with stuff hanging off it that kept me from being able to get close to the ground . It looked like a pregnant guppy with whiskers hanging down off it . I am so glad that you got the bugs worked out and that it is a great flying Cub just as Cubs should be . Now I should be able to sleep .

52larry52 06-01-2016 06:34 PM

bikerbc, Sorry man, I didn't mean to give you nightmares over this! :rolleyes: You say it "looked like a pregnant guppy with whiskers hanging down off it", but did it have "warts"? That's the question, Warts or no warts? On a serious thought.....If the gas engine of your choice won't fit in the Carbon Cub cowl and still look OK, why not reprogram your mind to something like a Saito or O.S. four stroke maybe in the 120 size area. You know you can't beat a good four stroke in any Cub for scale realism. Don't beat yourself up trying to shoehorn in an engine that won't fit, go with the flow...."smooth and easy". Just a thought.

52larry52 06-13-2016 07:51 PM

bikerbc, Just an update on the airplane formerly known as the "Cub from hell". OK, I gonna brag a little.......this past weekend the Phoenix Super Cub, now "wartless", was taken to and flown at the Dekalb R C Flyers "Big Bird" fly in event and was honored with the "Pilot's Choice" 1st place trophy. I am honored and not too humbled :) to be selected by my fellow R C flyers. The Dekalb R C Flyers are located in Fort Payne, Alabama and a few photos of the Super Cub are on their web site in the 2016 Big bird event media report. Dekalb R C Flyers are a great bunch of guys, and gals, with a very nice R C field. I wish I lived closer to them so I could justify joining. I'am 2 hours away and that's just too far to go except for special events. Anyone in the North Alabama area looking for a club should check them out. So biker, did you receive your carbon Cub yet and what do you think of it? Inquiring minds want to know !

bikerbc 06-14-2016 04:26 AM

Wow Larry Congratulations that's fantastic news . You made a silk purse , I hope to see a pic or two some day .. Mine is still on backorder .

bikerbc 06-15-2016 09:22 AM

Well wonder of wonders my Cub has arrived and is waiting for me at the hobby shop . That is the longest I have waited for an ARF . I usually give up and get interested in something else . Larry you helped keep me on track this time . I really enjoyed following your struggles with such a wonderful outcome . I think mine will be a winter project now . I still have my PA18 to finish . I also have a Hanger 9 40 sized Cub that I won a few yrs ago that has never been out of the box .I think its 1/5 scale . I have a set of floats for it too , I will use it to replace my GP fabric covered Cub if I ever lose it . I really love that one . I even bought Robart gear for it . You can't have too many Cubs.. You can't have enough Canadian dollars to pay for them anyway

52larry52 06-15-2016 08:11 PM

bikerbc, Glad to hear the backorder torture is over. Smart move to make it a winter project and finish up what you have already started, although that gives you plenty of chances for sleepless nights trying to decide what you will power the Carbon Cub with:). Aha, the power of suggestion, here comes those nightmares again!

bikerbc 07-15-2016 10:14 AM

I am wondering if any of the new Carbon Cub owners have installed the 1/5 scale float set yet . I have been debating buying a set but am not sure I want them if they are just a sized down version of the 1/4 scale set . I have found the 1/4 scale set to be pretty fragile . I really like the rigging and I like how they look but they are like egg shells .

abelard 07-19-2016 01:17 PM

Interesting. I've been wanting to order one, but H9's website has been listing it as "Available in June", then "Available in July", then "Available late July"...well, late July is here and now that note has disappeared. But if you click through to the Horizon order page, it's still showing "Backorder". Are they actually being shipped?

abelard 07-25-2016 06:11 PM

OK, looks as if H9 has answered the question for me: they've updated their caption to "Due mid-September". Either people are buying this thing in amazing quantities, or H9 just isn't really making it...

alex24 08-03-2016 07:15 AM

Here is a video of the Carbon Cub on Floats!


52larry52 08-03-2016 04:02 PM

Thanks for the video. Boy that plane looks awesome on the floats. That makes me want one but I am trying to not buy anymore planes as I've got 16 in my stash waiting to be built, rebuilt, finished, or new assembled. I hope bikerbc watches that video and gets inspired on his Carbon Cub.

althepal88 08-04-2016 03:59 PM

Well, back to the Carbon Cub. Wing assembly is pretty straight forward, just make sure that your servos have the long single arm horn. You will need two 12 inch extensions for the ailerons. You can mount the struts, just leave the jury struts loose until you do the final assembly.

The engine/tank pod. The tank with the kit is small, only 7 3/4 oz. I went with a DuBro S-10 for two reasons; size (of course) and it still fits without moving the cg too far to the rear and the second and main reason was to give the pick-up fuel line a little more flexibility. With the short tank, the clunk wouldn't flex enough to get to the bottom of the fuel tank, and then wouldn't pick up if inverted flight was tried. The longer tank gave me a little more line so I could use the recommended filter/clunk (EVOA 121), as I didn't have the DuBro heavy clunk. The engine/tank pod is a nice idea; it sure gets tight in there. That brings me to one of my pet peeves; that is airplanes that are designed around a specific engine. I had the DLE20RA, and it would have needed a little surgery around the cowl area, but it probably would have worked, but I decided to go with the factory set-up. Now, I have everything temporarily mounted and I go to mount the cowl. CRAP! The recommended pitts muffler (EVOM8) still hits the cowl! Now I have to do some fitting and cutting. Certain portions of the muffler can are still going to protrude. I'm also concerned if she will have enough air flow for cooling. I'm going to cover the intake on the port side and open up the fake vents on both sides and maybe more of the bottom. This thing had better be the best flying Cub in my fleet or I'm really going to be ticked. I think I should have stayed with the DLE.

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