DP 540T On glo.
 

Ok guys, this thread is not for bashing DP's performance in the customer service arena I as most of us interested in this bird have read all the bad press and I'm not taking any sides and don't really think it needs further discussion, In this thread anyway. I will stay tuned to the others for further info in that area.
What I want to know is what size motors are being used and flight reports on this bird. It will be my first plane over the 66 inch range and I want to know what engine to get for it. If I decide to take the plunge. what kind of power it needs to fly well. I'm not into 3D as of yet and may never get into it but I might try it out as a few in My club do and I have ample access to proper training should I decide to try.
I'm thinking about a little competition next year, IMAC and need this bird to perform well in this area.

Thanks to all and please restrain if possible.

Miloh.

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I've watched one of the Patrick 540s' fly on a Moki 1.8. It flew very well. It would fly the basic and sportsman IMAC routines extremely well. The guy that owned the plane was more of a limiting factor than anything else. I would not hesitate to buy and fly this plane on a glow engine.

Good looking, well built plane, too. I am still impressed, and that takes some work.

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Thanks silversurfer:



Moki 1.8......1

Miloh.

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Go to this website:

http://www.3dbatix.com/

and you will see videos and pics of the DP Extra. From memory I believe the plane in these pics is powered by a Moki 2.10

Check out this thread for more information about the Moki 1.80 vs 2.10 on the DP Extra.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_36.../tm.htm#360580

RE: DP 540T On glo.
 

The one in the 3dbatix video's is powered by the 210. I have the DP330 with a 210. I would go with the 210 if you are going to fly 3D.

Rany

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Well guys I would prefer the 2.10 It's just that DP's says it's a no no. don't want to break it with to many vibes. Thanks.

Moik 1.80....1
Moki 2.10....2


Miloh.

RE: DP 540T On glo.
 

maverick:

Can't tell for sure cause I can't see the Tx. and what the thumbs are doing but if this is the moki 2.10 it didn't seem like a power house, on the hover pullout it seemed a little weak..... of course I'm used to seeing the larger size UCD with a YS .62 with no muffler and it goes like a rocket. this is probably not a good comparison but as I said IF... this is a moki 2.10 it would seem that a 1.20 as DP reccomends would just be enough to get it off the ground and flying. Where am I going wrong here.

Miloh.

RE: DP 540T On glo.
 

maverick:

I went and read the threads you provided and it seems the moki is plenty so it must just be the video that is messing with my head.

Miloh.

P.S. the 1.80 seems to be sold out everywhere but the 2.10 is available so It's starting to look good to me.

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He has also said gassers are a no-no and a lot of people are flying these with gassers and seem to be doing OK.

If you want glow then the Moki's are the way to go for this airframe. I would personally get the 2.10 as you can always modulate your throttle usage.

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A lot of assumptions here. I cannot say for sure either, but you are right about not knowing what the pilot was doing with the sticks. He may not have been at full throttle and even if he was, remember this is a much bigger/heavier airframe than a U-CAN-DO so it isn't going to react as quickly to throttle changes.

I would just go with the real world experience from the posters to the other thread and they say the Moki 2.10 is the way to go for 3D.

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maverick:

Cool this helps the fear factor.

Miloh.

The site for 3Dbatics is cool as hell but no captions to say how these planes are set up, I see a lot of neat stuff gut have no Idea what it is.

RE: DP 540T On glo.
 

MVVS makes a 2.15 glow engine as well. It can be ordered with a pumped Walbro carb too. It can also be converted to gas quite easily.

RE: DP 540T On glo.
 

Thanks David.

What about thrust output and weight?

Miloh.

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It used to have a links to their own reviews of these planes and from memory there was setup information included. I have no idea why they have removed this. I agree the pics and videos are good, but with no captions they don't help a lot.

RE: DP 540T On glo.
 

Ok guys: As I stated before I'm looking for any excuse to buy this plane. we all know the bad press on this company and I've opened this post up to yeasayers.
I see there are a lot of veiwers but few replys. a few poped in the negitive post saying that we shouldn't jump to conclusions based on just a few bad reviews but given the chance the good reviews just are not comming in.
Help me out here. it's not looking good.

So So for the good......2 so far.

Miloh.

RE: DP 540T On glo.
 

I have both the Extra and the Edge. I currently have the moki 1.80 mounted on the Edge and it performs pretty good, but it could use a bit more punch. Over the winter I think I will mount my moki 2.10. Having flown the Extra with the 2.10 I can say there will be a noticable improvement pulling out of a hover. I wouldn't worry too much about the vibration, because I don't see a big difference between the two in the vibration category.

I've flown quite a few airplanes and the Edge and Extra are very good. I enjoy working on 3D type flying and these planes are very stable in harriers, elevators, etc... They need very little airspeed to recover which makes it much easier bailing out of a low and slow 3d manuever. Just for compairson, I have H9 Edge and although that plane flies pretty good the DP planes are just capable of flying slower and lower. The H9 just needs more airspeed to get back on the wing.

There's my 2 cents.

RE: DP 540T On glo.
 

Buy it from Chief Aircraft and you won't have to deal with DP. You can even get a package deal from Chief with the DP ARFs and Moki 2.10 engines together. Plus they throw in free shipping.

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Thanks guys this helps a little.


Miloh.

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Hi Miloh,

I have DP extra, 3rd version. Did not fly it yet, but what I can say is that the building quality is owfull:
1) Most of the fuselage joints has no (!!) glue in them, or just small amount of cheap glue.
2) Although it is laser cut, the joints are not tight (up to 3 mm gaps).
3) I cut through the firewall for my ZDZ 50 carburetor to fit in. The firewall is made of 2 plates of 3mm ply, which make it 6mm wide. While cutting gently with hobby knife, I discovered that the two plates has amazingly low amount of that cheap glue (not CA or epoxy for sure). You can separate them using your fingers alone (using them gently).
4) The covering looks nice on first look, but then I discovered many many spots that has to be iron again.
5) The aluminum L things that used to connect the canopy to the fuselage are the only thing in that fuselage that has a lot of glue on it. Really, a Lot of glue. It's a very strong and stiff glue (not the one used of the other joints). Anyway, 2 of the 4 got disconnected with a very small pressure on them :-). (maybe this is why they don't put glue on the other parts - since it does not hold anything anyway).
6) many people reported that the elevator angle adjusters disconnected in a middle of a flight.
7) Don't forget the flutter issue. Some think that it is design problem, other think that it is caused by bad quality of aileron material/building.

My point is, that it is great looking model, and people say it fly nice. But why buying an expensive model which is built so bad from a company that has owfull customer service, and recommend nothing bigger then os160 for their 15 pounds extra ?

RE: DP 540T On glo.
 

I fly the DP Edge Edge on the MOKI 1.8. Power is just fine. I had the 1.8 out of a 300XS. If I was buying from new, I'd put in the 2.1.

My 1.8 swings a 19x8 Mezjlik at 7800. It puts out good power for the 14lb airplane. The engine spools up fasssst, has no transition issues and good top end. I like this engine better than the BME 44 I ran on a 15.5 lb DP Extra.

RE: DP 540T On glo.
 

Well Moderator would you remove this thread please!!!
I can't get any good feed back on this bird, I have specified that I did not want any bashing here just flight reports and motor combinations to help me determine what motor to put on it if I could get enough good reports to support my desire to purchase one of these planes and still it gets bashed.
I've heard enough and I will not be buying this plane.

Thanks to the few that responded and helped me avoid what seems to be only a bad situation.

Miloh.

P.S. moderator I did not want another opportunity for posters to take these people down further. I just wanted the opportunity for some to give me an excuse to buy from DP.

RE: DP 540T On glo.
 

I am currently working on two DP Edge 540s for up and coming reviews in the new FLY RC magazine as well as RCUniverse Magazine.

They planes are setup as follows:

Plane 1

Moki 1.8
Pro Zinger 20 x 6
Tru-turn spinner
Duralite Batteries
Hitec 5625's on ailerons and elevator (pull pull)
Hitec 5645 on rudder (also Pull pull)
Weight - Not finished yet!

Plane 2

ZDZ40 RV
Bambula 20 x 8 (I also have Menz 20x8, and Zinger 20x8 and 22x6 to try)
Tru-turn spinner
Powerflite batteries
Hitec 5625's on ailerons and elevators (2 in the tail)
Hitec 5645 on rudder (pull pull)
weight - 14.3 lbs

I had to put the servos in the tail as I could not get it to balance with the pull pull elevator servo, it kept coming in nose heavy. The battery is installed 12" behind the servo tray.

I have not yet flown either. They should be flown in the next 7 days as I have to meet a deadline with Fly RC. Once the Fly RC issue comes out, RCU will post the review in the magazine with more info, details, pics, and vids.

What I can say so far, is that the quality on these kits is outstanding. After reading a post above about glue joints, I went and looked over both of them. No problems. The covering is really nice, pearl yellow and purple. I had a few wrinkles but that is expected with most ARF's and it only took a couple minutes to get rid of them.
The hardware is nice (Sullivan/Dubro). I did change the clevises on the non-pull pull controls to Dubro Ball Links.

Look for the reviews soon. In the meantime I will help answer questions or supply photos any way I can

Thanks
Erick

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thanks Eric I will watch fot your reviews.

Miloh.

RE: DP 540T On glo.
 

Hi Erick,

Comparing the model with those two engines sound exciting. I can remeber how difficult it was to choose an engine for the DP extra. It will surley be helfull for modelers who buy the edge/extra.

I got the first two RC mag issues, and was disappointed to see that their reviews never said anything bad about any of the products (usualy not even the regular "instructions could be better" that other magazines use). We are tired hearing that all models fly amazing, need just small amount of elevator on inverted, and needed just few clicks of trim on the first flight. We are tired of seeing the manufacturer ad two pages later, and realizing that the author did not write "It tracks extreamly well on the ground" because he think this is important data, but because this was the only way the make the manufacurer advertize while still not telling complete lies.
Just to make it clear: I am not attacking you or refering to any of your reviews (don't even know if you have wrote some already). And I really think that comparing the edge with those two engines is a greate idea. Good luck.

RE: DP 540T On glo.
 

Hi Yanival

Thanks for your comments.

You and I share the same opinions on reviews and what they should contain. I too like to see reviews that are in depth and have a lot of information about the build and flight characteristics.

Many people say that RCU never lists a negative review. There is some truth to this. We work with manufacturers to get the most popular products in for review. A lot of the demand comes from reading what is commonly being discussed on RCU. So you do not see a lot of bad reviews because we are listening to what you guys are saying and not picking the "bad" planes.

The DP Edge was sought after for two reasons:

1) People claim that DP has a bad cust service. Having met them, I beg to differ, but none the less I thought that we should let the product speak for the company.

2) There is a lot of talk about engine choice for this plane. Dave told me that a lot of people were having problems with flutter, etc. when they put 50cc+ engines on it. I looked at the manual and there are a lot of comments and cautions about large gassers. He even went as far as to put 2 aileron servo bays in as well as rear servo bays for the elevators. He includes all the hardware for either setup. The reality is that they plane should fly well without needing to be majorly overpowered. That is why I chose these two engines. I am excited to see how they perform.

Also, as of yet. DP is not advertising with us, so in essence we do not owe them anything! Many of the products we review are chosed by user demand and not advertising $$. We are very different from the mags in that respect.

Erick Royer
Business Development Manager,
RCUniverse.com