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Ok right now i have a Hanger 9 ultrastick 40 and i am just absolutely bored with it. I was looking at getting a fully aerobatic airplane that will do flat spins etc. I was thinking the plane for me would be a Biplane. I'm looking at the Kyosho Pitts Sc2 ARF with my OS .46fx. Or possibly a Carl Goldberg 10-300 ultimate ARF with an old Webra .60 2stroker.

I just want a plane that will do it all. The only thing so far is the Webra may not pull the 10-300 very well. If it can i will probably get that plane. Also as you can see im into ARF's.

What would you suggest.

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look at a kangke 50 fun fly its a mono wing but will do it all[8D]
http://www.kangkeusa.com/

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an ultimate is a really great plane to fly and will perform but, i wouldn'y step up to one from a stik.
try something with a low first.

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I can handle it. You said try something with a "low" meaning a low-wing, right. We actually i have a hanger 9 P-51 and its low wing obviously. And as far as being able to handle high speed landings. I can't see where a bipe could land faster than my P-51.

By the way thats a cool picture. what model is that.

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Does your Ultimate have a tendency to snap? The reason I asked is because the other aerobatic planes I've flown like the Sukhoi, Cap,etc. snap in some maneuvers especially if you use too much elevator.

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well?

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The Ultimate biplane has quite a few different faces. Fortunately, in most of the available sizes it's an easy to fly aerobatic bipe when set up properly. You can go from mild to wild as your ability and comfort level with the plane increases.

If you keep the control surface travels and C/G within the manufacturers range, it is not at all difficult to fly. Nor is it difficult to land. The approaches will be a little steeper than what you have been used to, but the plane will slow quickly once it's flared to just above landing height. The Ultimate is one of the few aerobatic bipes that tracks reasonably well on the ground.

Given that you are limited to the 46 and 60 engines you described, I would look at the Goldberg Ultimate. It flys very well, and is relatively light. You can upgrade engines later, but the Webra would likely fly the plane ok now if it has any power left in it. I wouldn't look for 3D flight, but it would be too soon for that anyway

Going with the Pitts for your first bipe could well be a VERY large mistake. No Pitts is the easiest biplane to land, I don't care what anybody says.

Get a little bit of help at the field and have fun.

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sorry didn't realize you were flying other planes.
yer go for it then.mine is a modeltech with a 180 saito in it.
the guy i bought it off had a 150 saito in it and the plane flew fine.
he set it up with one servo per aileron,two on the elevator and a pull/pull on the rudder.
i think it weighs about 10.5lbs.:D

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World Models puts out a couple Ulty bipe ARF's. Also Dave Patrick has a 40 and 120 size ARF. Aeroworks has a smaller version out also.

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You can't go wrong with a CG Ultimate as a second plane. As was stated in a previous reply, this plane performs great with engines ranging in size from .61 2-strokes up to YS 1.40 4-strokes. I've personally helped two different people step up to this plane from trainers--one with a .61 and the other with a .91 two-stroke engine. Ultimates have no bad tendencies at all, and perform great in all flight modes. With a smaller engine and low throws, the plane will land and fly like a trainer, but you will have the ability to increase throws and upgrade to a larger engine to have a truly unlimited machine. Once you get used to the responsiveness, and the increased drag of a biplane, you will not have any problems at all. The CG Ultimate (and all others for that matter) are far easier to fly than any trainer in my opinion once you have mastered the basics.

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I didn't realize there where so many other ARF's that were .40 or .60. Is any of these better choice than the kyosho or the Goldberg. thanks for the info, Keep it going.

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I would say the Ultimate is easier to fly than the Pitts or Eagles. I have flown the GC Ultimate and the DP Ultimate. The DP Ultimate (120 size) is the best flyer. The GC Ultimate is also a great plane and It fits in a lot of cars in one piece. Big Plus! The DP 40 is a good bet if you want a smaller plane and a smaller motor. Mild to Wild is absolutley true for the Ultimate.

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I second that! ALL of the Ultimates are great fliers! I've had a DP Ult 40 with a YS63, a CG kit Ult with a YS120, a CG ARF Ult with an OS108, a DP 120 Ult with a YS140, and I now fly the 30% CG Ultimate with a Brison 4.2. Each was a GREAT plane, and I kept moving up as my tastes got larger until I recently started flying my big Ultimate. I can honestly say that the Ultimate 40 flies just as good as the 30%, and all in between. The only real difference is the size of the package you have to transport to the field. The little Ultimates were a lot bouncier in wind, but their flight characteristics were just as great. I've really never flown anything like the Ultimate and the plane has a unique feel to it. You always know what end is up with an Ultimate and they are the easiest to land biplane I've flown yet.

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IMO, the Dave Patrick Ultimate ARFs are the better flying planes in the smaller sizes. Another company to consider is World Models. They make Ultimates in the .30 and 1.20 sizes. I have had two of the larger Ultimates from World, both using a Saito 1.50- 4 stroke. What an AWESOME flying plane. Quite sturdy, too.

Global also makes a smaller Ultimate ARF that flys very well on a 40 to 46 engine. A friend has one that he has flown for a long time now and he has enjoyed the devil out of it. I flew it quite a bit and therefore know it has good flight qualities. The Goldberg/Great Planes version is a good choice in the 60 size as well.

As was stated by Rongreg13, they ALL fly well and are a pleasure to fly while your ability level increases.

Go for it!

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Does anyone know a price for a Dave Patrick Ultimate 40 ARF.

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Also what is a website where i could look at the DP 40 ARF. I will probably order it off a website but i can't find one. Dave Patick.com only shows the large scale size.

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The DP 40 is $269 or so and Hobby Stop in Rock Hill, SC has one. I was there Friday. The big one is $399 I believe. The DP 40 is on the Cermark website and the big one is on the Dave Patrick website.

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you wouldn't have a link to the Cermark site for the dp 40 would you thanks???

As for the final decision. I guess the Dave Patrick ultimate seems to be what everyone thinks is the best.

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http://www.cermark.com/Merchant2/mer...egory_Code=AAA

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Does everyone think this Dave Patrick 40 Bipe is the one to get. How much more aerobatic is it compared to say an Ultrastick 40. Thats what i will be replacing.

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The Ultimate 40 flies like a much bigger plane. You will not find a more stable platform in a 40-sized airplane anywhere. It will perform just about any maneuver you can think up. ALL tail surfaces are pull-pull and there are 2 aileron servos. With large aileron throws, the roll rate is so faster than you can imagine. I had MG mini servos in mine on a 4.8V pack which were MORE than enough for the plane. Go for light weight wherever possible as the low wing loading is one of the plane's secrets to its great flying characteristics. The gear is a little soft and will bend fairly easily, but all you have to do is bend it back into shape! I used a YS63 and used a 13x6 APC prop running CoolPower 30% heli fuel in mine and the performance was out of this world. You can do knife edge loops as easy as pie and just about any spinning maneuver you can think of. The plane also fits right in the back of any SUV without disassembling it which was a cool feature. About the only area that I needed to beef up on mine were the aileron interconnecting struts which should be replaced with carbon rods or stronger rods of some sort.

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Does anyone have a PICTURE they can post of there Dave Patrick 40 Bipes.

Im trying to decide on the color scheme. THey have RED, Purple, And White!!

Any other info would be nice.
Thanks

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ANY PICTURES??????

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Go with your favorite color in the choices available. They will all fly the same, regardless of color. Remember the song "did you ever have to make up your mind, to say yes to one and let the other one ride..." All of the Patrick bipes look and fly great.

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GOOD Point!! I just kind of wanted to see some real life pictures.