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the crow 07-12-2002 07:07 PM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
I have a H9 Edge 540 with a BME 44 pulling it. I am having problem with the plane pitching up and stalling each time I throttle down. During my approch for landing, at idle, the plane noses up and then stalls. I trashed 3 propellers in the 3 times I tried to fly and land it. What should I do to correct this problem? The CG is right where the manual says. I noticed that this plane have a significant right thrust set on the firewall but I don't think this have anything to do with it.
Any info is appreciated.

Sport_Pilot 07-12-2002 07:22 PM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
Sounds like it may be too much down thrust. The engine is pulling the plane's nose down, you compensate with up trim, then when the power is chopped the up trim causes the plane to pitch up. Another possibility is that you have significant down trim, the propwash has a significant impact on the trim, you chop the throttle and the lack of airflow over the elevator causes the plane to pitch up.

OUTCAST 07-12-2002 07:36 PM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
Sport Pilot is right on the button, too much down thrust.

javven 07-12-2002 10:46 PM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
Fortunately this is simple to fix by shimming your engine mount.

TIGER2PLANE 07-12-2002 11:10 PM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
after you have taken a degree or 2 out of your mount and it still wants to stall then add a little more nose weight or move the CG forward a small amount you may be just a touch tail heavy

javven 07-13-2002 02:11 AM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
It's also possible you're WAY tailheavy... and that in flight you're compensating with elevator, the effect of which is amplified by high thrust.

How violent is the pitch up? Can you control idle pitch with servo trim alone?

tocflyr540 07-15-2002 12:30 AM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
try covering your hinge gaps had a 39% AW extra that liked doing that

Geistware 07-15-2002 05:11 PM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
I would recommend that you check your CG. You could be tail heavy. Since this is an ARF, I will ASSUME that you assembled it correctly so that the CG is the only variable that could be an issue. Make it nose heavy if you have to then try it again!

Sport_Pilot 07-15-2002 06:30 PM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
Thought he said the CG was spot on? I think he is looking for other possibilities. Why state the obvious?

TIGER2PLANE 07-15-2002 09:21 PM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
Most kits give you about 1 inch area in your CG range, if he has set it for the back of the CG then he is most likely tail heavy. When I set mine, its always AT THE FRONT SIDE of the CG setting, that way the plane will want to glide and not stall out if you lose a motor and have to dead stick.

funfly33 07-16-2002 01:36 AM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
Check your ailerons make sure there centered

javven 07-16-2002 03:32 AM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
RE-RE measure your CG. Make sure you're at CG and measure from plan's stated point.

If all this checks out I'd have to say either your control surface is airfoiling somehow or your thrust line's off....

vinnie 07-16-2002 10:11 AM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
Hi Crow. Does it do it only when landing? How about at altitude? What I'm getting at is sometimes we inadvertantly hold some back pressure on that stick in anticipation of touchdown, especially with a new plane. Also check your radio for forgotten mixing from a previous program. :)

the crow 08-19-2002 04:58 PM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
Thanks, Guys,
I finally repaired the damage and made changes based on your recommendations. I move the CG to the most forward location based on the manual (it was on the middle). Shimmed my engine with 2 washers stacked together (about 3/16th thick). Checked all the control surfaces for warp.
This problem happens even at altitude. As soon as I cut the throttle, the plane pitches up then stalls.
I'll keep my toes crossed (can't let go of the stick :-) you know)

bgi 08-19-2002 05:28 PM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
You shimmed the engine. How?

Sounds like you have too much down-thrust.

Have you checked the engine thrustline vs. the wing / stab incidence?

gubbs3 08-19-2002 07:51 PM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
How does the plane fly inverted? Chop the throttle when inverted and see what happens.

tailskid 08-19-2002 11:25 PM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
By changing two things (CG + Downthrust) maybe we will never know...but I'd like to!

You guys remember the CG test while flying? Diving at 45 degrees at full power and chop throttle and watch what happens...if the nose pulls UP you are nose heavy and if the nose pitches down you are tail heavy....right????

Jerry

jrf 08-19-2002 11:37 PM

Balanced right on the recommended point.
 
I had a friend who balanced the completed airplane very carefully at the recommended CG. Then he proceeded to fly the airplane with the cowl off (he was dialing in the engine). The cowl on a 120 size Edge weighs maybe 6 ounces? Boy was that sucker tail heavy without the cowl! Besides being very sensitive to elevator input, it did just what yours does when you chop the throttle.

Jim

TriadSport 08-20-2002 11:11 AM

Reduced throttle pitches up. Why?
 
I have to agree with the CG as being the problem. I flew my H9 Edge the first time this past weekend with almost identical symptoms. What was also obvious was the tail seemed to be dragging while in level flight. Even though I had the CG set at the middle of the recommended range, I went ahead and moved the 1600mah battery pack forward about 6 inches. When I flew it again it was a different plane. Much more managable and a whole lot easier to land.


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