World Models Cap232-46R
 

World Models' new Cap232 in Castrol Aviator colours looks great. Check out http://ecsvr.com/abm/shopexd.asp?id=1365

Was it flown by Michael Goulian?

How does it compare to the Great Planes Matt Chapman Cap 580 40 size? For starters, the WM plane is lighter but is not Monokote covered.

What do you guys think?

Thanks.

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I don't have an answer, BUT that airplane sure looks great !
I hope it's aerobatic.
If anyone has any experience with this plane, let us know !
Thanks.

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Yeah, It's Michael Goulian's plane alright. Have you seen him fly? here's the video link http://mikegoulian.com/assets/multimedia/video.wmv

He's awesome.

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Here's some pics of it...built one earlier today canopy glue still wet...it's built well and looks good only problem I had with build was the control rod tubes where loose and shifted back causing linkage to bind but it was a easy fix also the wheel pants are a cheesy injection molded type plastic...it's strong and very flexible but cheesy, I was kinda surprised by them cause world models usually have fiberglass pants....looking forward to zipping it around I used a os surpass 70 on it....also this plane comes with no decals it's all printed directly into the covering, which cleaned up well and didn't seem to have any problem taking laquer thinner(yes i tested to see if it'd wipe decals right off)

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Thanks for the pics. Good looking plane but can someone please ask World Models to change the pilot?

I think plastic wheel pants will last longer than fiberglass ones. At least thats from my experience [&o].

Did you have to cut the cowl to fit the engine? Let us know how the maiden goes.

Good luck!

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The pilot looks a little japanese but isn't all that bad I've seen some that are worse..the gp matt chapman pilot looks to be made in the same place lol, they are almost twins. Yes I had to cut the cowl only for cylinder head and fueling, tuning needs. The engine is mounted on a odd angle allowing the muffler to shoot directly out the opening on the bottom between the wheels which is real scale looking. Windy here today or I'd be flying it will let everyone know how it flies.

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I saw this plane fly today, wow, what a great looking and performing plane. I went to our club field today and was surprised when a friend of mine showed up with this plane. He is flying it with an older OS 46 and the plane flies great with this engine. The plane is almost exactly the same size as my Phoenix Cap (see avitar) and like my Cap the plane has no bad tendencies. My friend has owned a couple of other caps and he says this is the nicest flying one that he has owned. It looks as if World Models has done a real nice job once again.

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Badz,

I notice from your pic that you have a GP Matt Chapman Cap580 too. How does the WM Cap compare to the GP's?

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For the price I'd say the World Models wins hands down. The both have good and bad points, The GP Chapman plane has cheesy tailgear and the covering is bubbly since it's monocoat over monocoat over monocoat, they did the design patterns in 3 steps of covering which looks nice from a distance but crappy up close. The WM Cap has nice covering seems tough as all their coverings usually are, the building went well other than the two hang ups with the linkage tubes but it was a minor fix took maybe 3 minutes, wheel pants are cheap they are injection molded plastic but in a good point of view is they'll last longer than fiberglass. Alot pick on the WM pilots and this one looks good I can't complain about it after all what company gives you a pilot? GP charges $199 and their Matt Chapman looks like a young Chirstopher Reeves, yanno before he fell off the horse. The GP plane is beefy I won't deny that it's very strong and probably real capable of easily handling a small Gas engine like 23cc or so where the WM won't do that. I run a 70 OS Surpass in the WM and a Saito 82 in the GP I've only flown both briefly we still are having kinda crap weather here yet, The GP flew great snapped off the ground in less that 10 feet and handled well the rudder I noticed on it was very demanding it snapped you around fast probably nice for hovering I haven't tried that yet though, I did get some flutter on the ailerons and elevators and loops and aileron rolls at higher speeds which concerned me some but nothing a little scotch tape can't cure. The WM was also a smooth flyer snapped off the ground in around 10-15 feet and flew very well had no bad tendancies the rudder is not as snappy as the GP but it had no aileron or elevator flutter at high speeds either, I also didn't have the throw the GP had on it. So I guess it just boils down to what you want to spend. The WM you can grab for $129 shipped to your door and a 4stroker for another $200, flightpack and so on your running around $500 about $100 more for the GP if you go same route, but hey $100 is another flight pack :) or a cheap o` Hangar 9 Twist which is a hella fun plane after your done cursing Hangar 9 for not giving you the proper length control rods. I got 3 World Models planes now the Cap 232 46, Ultimate 30 Biplane and a Sky Raider Mach II. I've flown the biplane and sky raider to death and both are awesome planes. I only own 2 GP ARF's the Dazzler and Chapman 580, the dazzler fles well but was a ***** to get the cg set right on it and it's cheaply made. So I'd suggest giving the WM a chance hell it's cheap enough for a chance plus it gets more looks at the field than the GP one. Everyone loved both of them at the local field some prefered the GP just cause it was a GP plane and those same ones hated the WM cause they assume WM is Vmar. I honestly think WM can and will give GP a run for their money they are making some sweet looking planes lately and at greatt prices, my next WM Plane will definetly be a 27%Ultimate unless I break down and stop being cheap and buy the Chip Hyde Double Vision...either way it's a bigger Biplane for me soon :)

The WM Plane I guess in short summary, it's sharp looking the covering is nice not the same thickness and quality as Monocat but it's durable and strong which is what counts plus the patterns and decals are printed in which make for a clean smooth look, built well not as beefy as the GP but still well built, it's assembly time is half of what the GP's was due to them little things WM likes to have pre done for you such as control horns pre-drilled, a cowl template that makes installing and cutting the cowl a snap to do. Also adding the engine in on a angle was sweet makes for a more realistic plane look and keeps all that messy oil off your plane. And No the covering printing does not come off with Nitro or Laquer thinner for that matter, Yes I have tried this. The WM probably isn't as acrobatic cause the controls don't add for alot of throw as the GP does mainly the rudder if it'd throw slightly more than over recommended you'd put the elevator control horn thru it. This can be fixed however with a little grinding to the horns for making clearance.

The GP plane is nice also, covering job I'd have to say is crappy I don't like the bubbling monocoat job on it, for the money they could have had it screen printed on it'd be cleaner and better looking lets face it if cheaper coverings can be screen printed so can monocoat, you can't iron or heat gun out the bubbles either since it's glued monocoat to monocoat to monocoat just something that happens when you overlap like that. It's unlike any other GP ARF in the sense it's made like someone actually knew what they where doing for once. The directions as all GP planes ARF's are, are well rather screwy and messed up if you built GP before it's not a problem same lame things they do everytime. The cowl was nice quality fiberglass off GP wow go figure LOL...it'd be nice if they included a template like WM does but they don't so it takes longer to cut to your configuration. The cheap tailwheel is a bad thing also it's frail and not suitable for the plane so you'll spend another $10-$15 for a decent tailwheel assembly. The plane is probably more suited for acrobatics than the WM cause the controls allow for alot more throw than the WM.


Oh also this website has better pictures than AirBorne Models for the Cap.
[link=http://www.radarrc.com/newwebsite/en/airplane.php?id=1]World Models Planes[/link]

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I wonder if this is the same airframe as the 40-sized Cap that WM used to sell....in the Brietling scheme....it used to cost $199 though.....I like the price of the new one much better! ;)

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Looks good and nicely priced the world models stuff is expensive in the UK

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Badz,

Bet your fingers were swollen after all that typing :D. Thanks a million for sharing.
Helped me with my decision. I have an old TT Pro 46 and wonder if it'll be good enough
for this plane.

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I have this same plane and it is awsome. I had a OS 70 ULTIMATE on it and it had it all. Unlimited vertical, flies on rails...
On the first day though, I was doing a low knife and messed up on the recovery causing it to snap and poof...
I did her in the first day. the fuselage broke in three places as well as the main wing. Unfixable.
But I liked the plane so much I got another one and Im planning to put a YS 63 on it.
Its a great plane hands down, much better than the other caps Ive flown.
Landings a breeze, didnt even have to touch the trim.
Hope this next one's just as great!

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And it is in the Michael Goulian scheme.

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Wow sorry to hear about your crash but guess it can't be all bad your replacing it with another. I can't wait to get out sometime this week and zip mine around a bit, was out today but was windy(20-30mph) so we only ran the rc trucks around and tore up usless ground around the flying field :)

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Sorry to hear of your loss. I'm waiting to get mine. Wonder how long I have to wait.[:o]

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Badz,
Do you have any suggestions for putting it together? I just picked one up for 120.00 and had a new O.S. 46/AX waiting for a home. I was looking at the fuse and cant' figure out where to put any switch or charge jack. With so little for wood what can you attach anything too? I know this thing will be really light but, are their any beef ups you would suggest besides usual arf stuff( firewall, wing hold down blocks)? Thanks in advance.
Stangevil29

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I just tossed my on/off switch in the normal location, I didn't use a charge jack since I transport most my planes with wings off anyhow having them off for charging wasn't a big deal

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How about servo's? Standard 537's throughout o.k.? Is that dual rod connection good enough? Sorry, about all the questions but I want to get it right. Thanks.
Stangevil29

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I used standard servo's in mine, Hitec HS-425BB and the dual rod connection went together real well on mine, the wire joiner they use is rather nifty and strong it sure beats them wooden sticks and epoxy methods. So I'm sure it'll hold up just fine I've used similar types in other planes and they work out well and are done alot worse. The GP Patriot has one and it's wrapped with bailing wire then soldered and pretty tough to trust but it works just fine haven't had it come apart yet :) Overall the planes as strong as most. All can crack and fail it just depends on the amount of stress you add to them and how I usually never add beefups because then you just transfer the stress someplace else. Beefing up a plane is tricky sometimes it can do more harm than good. The air force has been chasing stress on f16's since 1974 and still haven't found a way to fix it lol. The wing roots on the cap do seem frail and the fuse does seem frail but when you fly it you'll see that it just floats it flies really well and overall is really strong I landed a few rough ones it survived fine. I have a hangar 9 twist which is almost exact same fse type construction...alot say those are weak too but really are very durable unless slammed into the ground. 46AX should fly it great mine flies like a champ with the 70 surpass which is probably overkill on it I really think a 52 4 stroke would have been just fine but wouldn't give me the vertical and hover abilities.

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Hey badz,
Was it necessary to add any weight to balance it with the 70 forestroker?

Thanks bdb

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Just finished mine last night. Needed 3oz. in nose with a magnun 70 fs. I couldn't get the battery underneath the fuel tank. You need to mount battery into compartment before mounting fuel tank. Could the recommended elevator throw (35mm or roughly 1 1/4 inches) be right? That is 100% of servos throw. I thought that elevator throw had to be minimal for snapping reasons on this type plane. Thanks in advance--need to know, hope to maiden today.

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My son did his first flight testing on this plane yesterday. When I got to the field he was disappointed with the fact that it wanted to snap violently with up elevator. This was at low rates. At first glance the plane looked to be set up properly. Upon closer inspection I noticed that he had built in a very small amount of up ailerons. I want to make clear that there was very little up. I explained to him that the ailerons should have no up and to try the same amount of droop. That did the trick. No more snapping out of loops. So check those ailerons and make sure they are set correctly. The plane is rock solid now. We haven't gone to full rates yet. 70% is great plenty to get the blood pressure up at this time.
Chris

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how does this plane knife-edge? does it require a lot of rudder? how about slow rolls? the .46 2 stroke probably isnt enough for good vertical is it?

i'm seriously considering getting this plane based on looks. if it flies even almost as good as it looks, i'm getting it for sure!

thanx.

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I've got a few flights on mine with an Evolution 46 in the front. I put the battery under the tank, and it balanced dead on with no extra weight. Flight qualities are very good. It's actually pretty stable, but it definitely goes where it's pointed. My first 2 landings were dead stick (stupid evolution engine!), and they were non events, it glides very well.

I set up dual rates with the suggested throws and 70%of that. At low rates, it's pretty docile, with the roll rate at about 1 roll a second, and it'll only snap at full elevator, but you have to really provoke it. HIgh rates, the rolls are VERY fast, and it'll snap out of a loop VERY easily at about 3/4 elevator. The rudder is pretty effective, mine will knife edge right across the field at about half rudder on low rates and about 3/4 throttle, with very little pitch coupling.

As for the .46, it's got decent power. Definitely not unlimited vertical, but it's plenty sporty for just flying around. I can pull up and do a vertical line of about 50-75ft or so before it really runs out of steam. I'll report back on flying it with a different engine soon. I hate this Evolution engine, impossible to tune, and when you do get it running right, the next day you are back at square 1. SO, I'll be trying something else soon, and I'll report back.