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Serious Ultimate Bipe withdrawl
Ok I made a mistake and sold my CG Ultimate with a YS110 on it :(. Shoot me now, go ahead (you have to love bipes to understand this)
I thought I would not miss it much but I am going through serious biplane withdrawl here. [sm=bananahead.gif] I need a little input from everyone. I want to go with another Ultimate. Here is what I am thinking about 10-300 Ultimate (Maker to be determined) Small gas engine (ZDZ, RCS140 or 180 or Ralph Cunningham's converted Zenoah) or any others that anyone wants to suggest Hitech 5645 digitals or other suggestions but I am pretty sold on these. I would like opinions on which model and engine would you use. The final decision will be mine on which model and engine but it will defintely be gas not glow. Decision decisions[&:] I was also looking at the Standard Pitts by Cermark or CG Pitts Monster and even the GP Stearman. IMAC and intermediate 3D will be flown with the plane and the radio is a JR9303 My total budget for this project is roughly 1000 to 1200 dollars and that includes plane, engine, servos, extensions yada yada yada. Cheaper is always better as far as price is concerned. I do work at the LHS so things like servos extensions and such I can get pretty cheap. So let me here it, tell me how dumb I was and then tell me what you would recommend. don't be shy, I can take it :D BTW... no kits, only ARF's please EDITED: for really bad spelling |
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DP Ultimate.....
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Buy another goldberg and put the rcs engine in it. I fly almost all Ultimates. I only have 1 mono wing plane in my fleet. My brother just gave me a Goldberg and I am putting a ys 91 in it as we speak (already had the engine). I know what you mean abut not having a bipe I dont know what i would do with out them.
goldberg ulti 42% 3W ulti 46% h-9 ulti 50% pitts 335 sukhoi Biplanes are the best IMO Fred |
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Derf,
I know what you mean, Your we do well eith the Ys91. Mine started life with that engine and after 500+ flights I ran it a little to lean one day and spun the connectiong rod so hard it hit the crankcase. I gave the egine to a club member and he rebuilt it and put it in his CG Ultimate and I bought the YS110. It a great match for the plane. I did 2 elevator servos in the rear and pull-pull on the rudder and moved the tank over the CG What a plane. I spoke to the guy that bought it and he is thrilled with it. My main concern on the CG is the weight on gas |
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I dont think the plane will be much more with the rcs 140 than with a ys 120 or 140, I have seen a bunch of guys flying with the large ys engines and it doesnt seem to bother it. If the wing loading is a concern then go with the DP Ultimate , it is a bit larger and a bit more wing area so i think you will be fine.
I know if i had to buy an engine i would go with the rcs for sure, I hate the mess of glow fuel. Well good luck with your decision, I would also go for the 5625 servos for the speed. I think the 5645 is like .24 on 4.8 volts, the torque is more than enough for a bipe this size Good luck Derf |
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Bubba, check out the new offerings from from world models. They are now marketing the same Ultimates (27% and 30%) that Aeroworks released last year but at a considerable savings. The DP is a beautiful plane and flys as good as it looks but it isn't really built for gas and doesn't perform as well as it does on a glow motor. My guess is that you will be happiest with the WM model if you are set on gas.
I too am a Ultimate guy with 5 of them ranging in size for the little Ace Simple Ultimate through the big DP one. I don't think the Pitts would be a very good idea for precision flying. I have a Christen Eagle (27%) and a Pitts challenger (31%) and both fly well but not as well as the Ultimates do. |
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Does anyone know for sure if the World Models 27% Ultimate is the same as Aero Works ?? I was wanting one of the Aeroworks 27% but was reluctant to pay that much and after reading some of the posts on RCU was concerned about some of Aero Works quality control problems, I wonder if the World Models Ultimates are any better ??
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They are the same plane ... same specs even. I am waiting for my LHS to see if he can get the 27% one for me. I hope its WM prices too!!!
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They are quite a bit cheaper
http://www.airborne-models.com/ or the ecatolog at airbone models which is the US dist for WM http://www.ecsvr.com/abm/shopexd.asp?id=1368 |
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I'll add in that I have a Cermark Pitts with the G-26 RC conversion. I love it but it is not a 3D plane. It flies great and does all scale maneuvers beautifully. Lands a bit fast. No question it is a little heavy.
I currently have a CG Ultimate that is grounded. Sold POS engine (Saito 100). Went through 2 YS 91's before. Great power but eventually wore them out. Between the cost of the engines and the parts and the fuel I'm looking for something else. My friend put together the Aeroworks 27% ultimate with a Moki 1.8. It was underpowered. Flew scale-like but with no authority if you know what I mean. My Pitts has authority! He just finished putting in a BME 50 but the weather here in CA has not cooperated. This is supposedly the ticket based on videos I have seen. But you won't put this one together for $1200. The DP ultimate with the G-26 conversion would be nice but I have heard that it will fail. Probably right. DP designed the Cermark Pitts and DID recommend a G-23 as an engine for it. Reduced performance compared to other recommended YS-120 but good enough and bullet proof. Nice to take several trips to the field for $2 worth of gas. CG Ultimate-- Kit or ARF with a YS-110 is hard to beat. Especially with your budget. Believe me I watch my RC $ too. That's my 2 cents. |
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If you could pry several hundered bucks more out of your wallet, Wildhare is releasing a 50CC class ultamate soon.http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfi...15/Yw68106.jpg
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Minn,
I did read that reveiw a while ago. That's eventually my goal but it's a bit over my budget right now. I did get to fly one and all I can say is SWEET:D mstroh3961, Do they have a release date on it? I had heard they were doing one and considering the reputation they have it should be good. |
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check the wildhare forum, I recall maybe April. also comeing in purple.
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I was looking at the manual online for the Aeroworks bipe when I got to the end there are some setup tips from chip hyde that sound pretty good. I figure these will work with any ultimate, but specifically I was wondering about his procedure for checking for a tail heavy condition. Pull to a 45* upline and roll inverted and it shouldn't take much down elevator to maintain the line. If the plane goes to the belly like you were giving it down your tail heavy. You think this is valid for any ultimate? or for any plane for that matter? I don't know what mine will do in this situation but I'm going to try it next time out. I had another guy at the field check my ultimate and he said it seemed a bit tail heavy, and that he's had several of his own. (he was flying one at the field that day) Mine does balance within the recommended range, but aft of the recommended point.
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If you have RealFlight G3 you can download a really good facsimile of the H9 TOC Ultimate! Colors and all. Costs $200 for RF G3 and probaly $200 for a graphics card update but crashes are cheap. This is the closest I'll come to a plane like this. It really does fly realistically.
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I can't believe you sold that plane! I'll miss seeing you fly it this year.
You better get the new project started, spring is coming!!! P.S. Goldburg Tiger 2 is no more. AL. |
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Al
Yep, I did a bad thing when I did that. She sure flew well, didn't she But I needed to fund another radio. That's why I am looking at another one, just a little bigger. I may hang on until Widhare releases theirs if I can last that long. What happened to the Tiger? |
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The Tiger 2 bit the big one. I went to the field coming off 3rd shift.
Had been awake for about 23 hours by the time I flew. I got 2 good flights in, had the wife with me and was trying to show off. Nobody else at the field so I did a couple of low passes.Got it out of shape on the last pass and caught the nose into the runway. Ripped out the engine and firewall, broke the fuselage at the wing saddle, pulled out the wing mount blocks, sheared off the wing dowl, tore out the main gear, snapped off the vertical stabilizer. I kept telling myself "GIVE IT SOME UP ELEVATOR IDIOT" but my tired fingers would not do what my mind wanted. The End AL. |
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Ouch :( Sorry to hear that.
The plane did fly fairly well. I was over there yesterday for a couple of hours wringing out my new CG Sukhoi with the converted Zenoah G-26, what a plane. I have a GP Gene Soucy Extra 300S using an OS160FX and a new Kangke Cap232 that will use a Roto35Vi on gas. This is my year for IMAC and Pete Castine has agreed to help me smooth out my lines. He has watched me a couple of times and apparently he thinks I would do quite well in Basic this year so now the real fun begins. I forgot to ask, Do you have something else to fly? I can't remember if you do or not. I still need my Bipe fix though, this withdrawl sucks and is totally my fault. The guy that bought it has emailed me a few times just to tell me how well it flies and he cannot beleive that the combination is that good. He tossed it into a few flat spins and lomcevaks and he said is scared him when the spins and tumbles stated winding up really tight and built up speed. But that's how that plane flew, really docile with the rates down and crank the rates up and O.M.G. [X(] Hope to see you over there sometime soon. |
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Hi Bill,
How is that CG Sukhoi with the G-26? Is the ignition by Cunningham? I'm running one in a Cermark Pitts. thinking about converting my Sig Extra 300 SX from the OS-160 FX to the Hanson 260. It seems like it has plenty of power. The 160 is fine but it goes thru a lot of fuel. And my "connection" for fuel has dried up. 5% is $15 at HobbyPeople. |
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go for the Goldberg Pitts model 12 monster! Mine is well along and I am using a Saito 150, but the RCS 140 gas would be great, and ther'es room for a 18" prop
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ORIGINAL: terryj Hi Bill, How is that CG Sukhoi with the G-26? Is the ignition by Cunningham? I'm running one in a Cermark Pitts. thinking about converting my Sig Extra 300 SX from the OS-160 FX to the Hanson 260. It seems like it has plenty of power. The 160 is fine but it goes thru a lot of fuel. And my "connection" for fuel has dried up. 5% is $15 at HobbyPeople. Yep, that's one of Cunnighams converions and it is sweet. The plane is a little heavier with it but not by much. I replaced the stock gear with the graphtec CF gear and save almost 8oz. I'll get you an AUW but I ran the numbers on the following thread and they should be right around 12lbs. It does great but not umlimited vertical which is fine by me. 3D is defintely out for this combo but again this plane is being built this way for IMAC and nothing else. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_25...tm.htm#2558391 post 13 has the planes weight and post 29 has the weight for the engine and accessories It does need to land somehwat hot but nothing I cannot handle and if the throws are to high and it will snap out. I have a feeling though that is my trim as I really have not trimmed this plane yet. I may have more movement on the right elevator than left because it always snaps out to the right. Also all of my throws are at least 40 degrees so it just may be too much. If I go to low (50%) or mid (75%) then it does not snap but still drops the right wing. Lateral balance is fine. Basically my plane is this 8lbs 11oz without the engine Engine 2lbs 9.5oz without the backplate Abellrc Muffler (not the Pitts): 4.7oz with the bolts and remove 8oz for the gear replacement So without the gear change the plane weighed 10lbs 26oz or 11lbs 10oz now subtract 8oz for the gear replacement and you now have 11lbs 2oz plus add 2.0oz for the choke servo and control rod and the 4.5oz for the ignition batt (JR1100MaH) for an AUW dry of 11lbs 8.5oz Not to bad... I originally had an OS120 w/pump on it and needed 6oz on the nose to balance on the recommended point. I figured that the converted Zenoah would just about work perfectly which it did and was able to remove the 6oz. The gear change was an after thought and I am considering going to a CF wing tube to save a little more |
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ORIGINAL: bubbagates ORIGINAL: terryj Hi Bill, How is that CG Sukhoi with the G-26? Is the ignition by Cunningham? I'm running one in a Cermark Pitts. thinking about converting my Sig Extra 300 SX from the OS-160 FX to the Hanson 260. It seems like it has plenty of power. The 160 is fine but it goes thru a lot of fuel. And my "connection" for fuel has dried up. 5% is $15 at HobbyPeople. Yep, that's one of Cunnighams converions and it is sweet. The plane is a little heavier with it but not by much. I replaced the stock gear with the graphtec CF gear and save almost 8oz. I'll get you an AUW but I ran the numbers on the following thread and they should be right around 12lbs. It does great but not umlimited vertical which is fine by me. 3D is defintely out for this combo but again this plane is being built this way for IMAC and nothing else. -- I couldn't agree more. I have had a couple of G-23s with stock mags. This developes more power-- not due to the ignition but rather the increased displacement. But it starts sooo easy. Mid range is cleaner too. I only have about 15 flights on it and it gets better each time. When the weather breaks (it's rained here the last couple of weekends) it's time to switch to synthetic oil. My fuel is still a bit rich. First 1/2 gal 25:1 petroleum-based lube. Then 1/2 gal added at 32:1 followed by one more 1/2 gal at 32:1. Next batch will be "pure" 32:1 synth. My Pitts weighs 13.6 lbs. Like your plane you have to land a bit hot-- but just a bit. If I get too slow and and am low enough it stalls straight away and "plops down" for a 3 point with a slight bounce. Better with just a smidge more speed and power. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_25...tm.htm#2558391 post 13 has the planes weight and post 29 has the weight for the engine and accessories It does need to land somehwat hot but nothing I cannot handle and if the throws are to high and it will snap out. I have a feeling though that is my trim as I really have not trimmed this plane yet. I may have more movement on the right elevator than left because it always snaps out to the right. Also all of my throws are at least 40 degrees so it just may be too much. If I go to low (50%) or mid (75%) then it does not snap but still drops the right wing. Lateral balance is fine. Basically my plane is this 8lbs 11oz without the engine Engine 2lbs 9.5oz without the backplate Abellrc Muffler (not the Pitts): 4.7oz with the bolts and remove 8oz for the gear replacement So without the gear change the plane weighed 10lbs 26oz or 11lbs 10oz now subtract 8oz for the gear replacement and you now have 11lbs 2oz plus add 2.0oz for the choke servo and control rod and the 4.5oz for the ignition batt (JR1100MaH) for an AUW dry of 11lbs 8.5oz Not to bad... I originally had an OS120 w/pump on it and needed 6oz on the nose to balance on the recommended point. I figured that the converted Zenoah would just about work perfectly which it did and was able to remove the 6oz. The gear change was an after thought and I am considering going to a CF wing tube to save a little more -- My Pitts gained about 1 1/4 lb. over the original YS-120 FZ. When it got cranky, I installed a Saito 180. Very nice combo but man does it burn fuel. Don't know what it weighted THINK the plane flies faster with the G-26-- not that I'm a speed freak but that is one measure of power. Vertical is fine but not unlimited. -- My Extra weighs 13.96 with the OS 160. 73" span. I have flown a Hanger 9 Cap 232 with a G-23. Alright. Nothing to get excited over. I'm guessing that the Extra would also gain at least a lb. converting. Since you are flying both a 160 in a slightly smaller Extra and the G-26 in the Sukhoi, I certaonly appreciate your opinion on the swap. |
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Hey Bill,
I have 3 other planes ready to go, Sig Fazer, Morris Hobbies Su-do-khoi and GP Ultrasport 60. Have you been to the field lately? I heard it was muddy. I've been considering a biplane myself, but I like the WWI types. A Fokker DR1 would be a good way to blow some of my tax refund!!!! AL |
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