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Gray Beard 07-30-2014 04:04 PM

Yep, that's what his photo showed. Just getting in another 1/8 piece would do the trick. When I'm building a plane I always add in extra wood so the hinges have something to hang onto but ARFs are often a pain to get into. 1/8 doesn't even give you room to pin them if you wanted to.

Originally Posted by Calvinman (Post 11851258)
I think the trouble ro347 is having is the material is thin the other way, where only 1/8 of material would be glued to the hinge

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2018533

Calvi


joebahl 07-30-2014 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by Calvinman (Post 11851732)
Thanks Joe that is one sweet aircraft, Kinda young to be building something that involved aren't you :p

Ha Ha iam close to 60 but my blonde gf is 25 years younger ,hence our 12 year old son :-) lmao

Calvinman 07-30-2014 04:57 PM

All hail King Joe:D Whats your secret?

Muttdog 07-30-2014 05:25 PM

I like to use Gorilla glue on robart style hinges. When you wet the wood first it really kicks off the GG and allows it to expand. When the hinge pushes through the backside of the hole, the GG does to and will expand and mushroom behind it. This adds a lot of strength when the hole is shallow. I've tested these hinges after a crash and found the wood to fail long before the bond, even when there is not a lot of wood to bond to but 1/8" might be pushing it

joebahl 07-30-2014 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Calvinman (Post 11851770)
All hail King Joe:D Whats your secret?

Never putting a wedding ring on again! lol Muttdog thats a good idea but a drop of vasoline on the the middle of the hinge is what i do then epoxy but GG should work great also maybe be even better . If you use CA hinges and i do on small foam scratch builds i mark the center of each hinge with a colored crayon on both sides . It shows you where the center is and the crayon fills the weave and wont let CA in the line so its a smooooooth working hinge when done with no hard CA gumming it up.CA hinges on this one . joe

ro347 07-30-2014 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by joebahl (Post 11851717)
Here ya go Calvi ! lol Ivans plans 99 in wingspan short solent electrict sea plane ,flys with 2-3 cell 4000 packs and 480 size motors. Weighs 8 pounds with the batterys . Flys like a l trainer and very scale like. joe


Really is a beautiful plane!

ro347 07-30-2014 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by joebahl (Post 11851768)
Ha Ha iam close to 60 but my blonde gf is 25 years younger ,hence our 12 year old son :-) lmao

Ive got my note pad ready!

joebahl 07-30-2014 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by ro347 (Post 11851826)
Really is a beautiful plane!

Thanks guys you can find plans from the master himself Ivan . Email him for prices and he is in his 80s and busy so it could take a while but he will get them to you. Check out the wing loadins and weights on his desighns and Luke Zs thread on Ivans planes also. joe http://www.ivansplans.com/

ro347 07-30-2014 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Calvinman (Post 11851707)
Well the results of my epoxy/micro-balloons look good, I gave it a 30 then a 60 pound pull and no sign of failure:)

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2018665http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2018666http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2018667http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2018668
Next I will give the stuff a weigh
Calvi

Thanks for the results Calvin. Im also concerned with the wood not holding up over time.

joebahl 07-30-2014 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by ro347 (Post 11851836)
Thanks for the results Calvin. Im also concerned with the wood not holding up over time.

As long as you dont split the wood while drilling it it should hold up forever . On the plane your putting it on i would worry more about speed flutter of the ail so put enough hinges in . joe

ro347 07-30-2014 06:59 PM

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So started poking around and marking where the formers were... Ive made 1/2" cut outs in between the formers. Ill be using these as access points for dropping in thicker balsa blocks.

Wasnt sure if i should have done the cut outs like this or just cut out the entire length of balsa sheeting. Figured start small and take it from there.

Looking to drop in 1 inch long x 1/4 inch pieces of balsa...

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2018717http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2018718

joebahl 07-30-2014 08:10 PM

What glue you using ro347 ? I think i would use the white foaming Gorrila glue so it fills up any voids around the bolcks . joe

ro347 07-31-2014 05:51 AM

[QUOTE=ro347;11851876]So started poking around and marking where the formers were... Ive made 1/2" cut outs in between the formers. Ill be using these as access points for dropping in thicker balsa blocks.

Wasnt sure if i should have done the cut outs like this or just cut out the entire length of balsa sheeting. Figured start small and take it from there.

Looking to drop in 1 inch long x 1/4 inch pieces of balsa...

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2018717http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2018718[/QUOTE

For the reason youve mentioned, it will probably be GG.

joebahl 07-31-2014 06:06 AM

I always like room to work and also to see my work so i think i would try to get everything out of my way to make sure everything i glue in is glued in very strong. I dont own any balsa arfs except one and it has no blocks for the control horns to be screwed in . I will make ply control horns with a long tail and glue it to the side of ply rib they had in . It was a American made ARF so i cant even B%&ch China out :-( lol joe

ro347 07-31-2014 11:47 AM

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It was much simpler than first thought. I guess once you take a little time to map out what you're going to do, it just comes to you.

I opened up the access holes just up to the formers( There were only formers on the bottom half of the tail, On the top half only sheeting.)

Cut balsa sticks to length... then had to sand the edges a little to get just enough of a snug fit. When installing the balsa, I used dental floss to help me maneuver the wood into place as I wanted. Will tack in place with CA, cut floss, and glue all around. Will then replace sheeting and cover it back up.

Thanks guys!
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joebahl 07-31-2014 11:58 AM

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Nice job it turned out good. I dont own any wood arfs anymore and only some foam ones that i like. I scratch build all mine now so every thing can get got to easy .lol Iam working on a 84 inch wingspan Twin Otter ,another of Ivans plans and hope to fly it next year. Thinking about the US Army Golden knights sky diving team colors . joe

Calvinman 07-31-2014 12:18 PM

Glad to hear(and see) you got it figured out, it looks good I like the dental floss idea, lots of uses that stuff. Joe, that is one light looking structure, should fly like a dream, you should do a build thread on it.

Calvi

Radical Departure 07-31-2014 12:22 PM

Thumbs up!

Calvinman 07-31-2014 12:42 PM

We went for a catamaran tour in Roatan a couple years back. The owner/capitan was a "retired" gentleman from Toronto. He named his boat "Free Radical"

Calvi

TomCrump 08-01-2014 03:20 AM


Originally Posted by Gray Beard (Post 11851478)
Yes, that is a Du-Bro flat hinge and they come in many different sizes.as good as any..

Many of us call the pin hinges.

It may be because of the "pin" used as a pivot. Or it may be because the hinge can be pinned in place, after installation, for added security.


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