dazzler control surface! help
 

Hi, Im new on sport planes, i built my new dazzler and now im programming my computer radio!
In the greatplanes site i can find the control surface for low/high rate! And my question is: do u think 3/4" is enough for aileron high rate? and 1/2" for elevator? i dont want a REALLY quick plane, but with 3/4" high rate can i make a fast roll? Im afraid to put a little more quicky bc i actually only fly a trainer! Tks, sorry for my english

RE: dazzler control surface! help
 

You're Engilsh is just fine, so no apology is needed. I can't speak Portuguese, so please permit me to apologise.

The Dazzler will roll pretty fast with the aileron rates as it is. Don't set up a higher aileron rate until you have flown it a little.

The elevator high rate could use a little more if you feel you can handle it. Go ahead and raise the elevator high rate to 3/4". You can add more later if you feel you want to.

RE: dazzler control surface! help
 

Hi scolpit,

I also have a Dazzler.. If this is your first sport plane, The low rate setting
will be good, It will still roll pretty fast!! At Hi rates+ it gets wild!! Make sure
you get the CG on the rec. spot.. 3" back of L.E... You said your were
programing your computer radio, So I guess your going to use dual rates..
You can get her a few mistakes high and give it a try on hi rates!! She
also land pretty slow and easy as long as your light on the sticks..

Have fun!!

RE: dazzler control surface! help
 

I built an Uproar (basically the same plane) last year as a second plane. It did not last long. I tried again this year and am having a great time flying it. It has a plenty fast roll rate, will snap roll and flat spin. This is on a Futaba radio. I really only use low rates to practice slow rolls and four point rolls. My 10 year old loves to fly this plane on the buddy box. He flys a trainer well on his own.

Here is my setup:

Aileron low rate 0.4 inch -40% exponential
Aileron high rate 0.75 inch -60% exponential
Elevator low rate 1 inch -40% exponential
Elevator high rate 1.25 inch -60% exponential
Rudder 1.25 inch I have no dual rate or exponential for this channel

I also have a 10% idle up programmed on my flap switch. This gives me a nice slow idle for takeoffs, landings and slow passes with flaps down. Then a higher idle so I am not in danger of my engine dying during violent snaps and spins.

RE: dazzler control surface! help
 

Nice, my radio is a Futaba 6XAS and yes, i'll use dual rates, and i will program flaperons later. I think my radio have exponensial too, i will try to use it. And just to make sure... the measures are at the end of the control surface, right?
Im affraid of sport planes because how can a control surface move just a little and the plane rolls? lol. Is it difficult to control on first flight? Because maybe a wrong 1/16" on aileron can make me lose control. Am i right?

Tks:)

RE: dazzler control surface! help
 

I can't help you on the control deflections. I have never built this plane or one like it (yet). But you are absolutely correct. The control throws are at the trailing edge of the surface measured. I measure half way on a tapered trailing edge. Just split the difference. Good luck with the plane. I would suggest being a little conservative on the throws till you get used to it.

Mark Shuman

RE: dazzler control surface! help
 

is it hard the first flight? before make some corrections on controls to stabilize?

RE: dazzler control surface! help
 

On the low recommended rates this plane will react
pretty fast. If i was you for the first few flights
i would set the alerions at 3/8 of a inch up and down
and the rudder to 1/2 inch left and right and
the elevator to 1/2 inch up and down. After a few flights
i would set up to the recommend low rates and then
after a few more flights i would try the recomended
high rates.

RE: dazzler control surface! help
 

The Uproar is a very nice flying plane and I assume the Dazzler is also. I would highly recommend flying with an instructor for several flights. The plane takes off very nicely, flies great and is easy to land. Where you have to be careful is keeping track of which way it is going and which side is up. It is a small plane and it can roll very quickly. It flies almost the same upside down as right side up. Where it will bite you is when you lose track of it and command it to go the wrong way. Good luck. My second one is a lot of fun, my first one did not last long.
Dave

RE: dazzler control surface! help
 

It's hard to know, how hard the first flight will be, without knowing
how you respond to different conditions.. If you make very small
steady movements on the stick and start off with the low rates
you'll do fine.. Make big jerky movements and she could get very
interesting even on low rates.. I think the Dazzler flies good, And
is eaiser to take-off and for sure land then my trainer did.. But make
big stick movements and she can disorient you pretty quick if your
not use to it, And at times even if you are use to it:-)

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Only one other important thing to keep in mind. The Dazzler, and the Uproar for that matter, were not designed to be flown extremely fast. All fun fly aircraft with huge ailerons will suffer from flutter if the speed envelope is over flown. The plane will tell you what the speed is it likes to fly at by providing smooth control responses with average to minimal control input.

The Dazzler is a relatively easy fun fly type of plane to fly. Just keep the control inputs smooth and small in the beginning. You will enjoy the very slow landing speeds while still maintaining excellent control. I would not worry over much if you have a little too much control throw. You can always dial it out with the dual rate settings. Keeping the plane a little closer that you have before with the .40 size trainers will assist you in developing good aircraft orientation.

Have Fun!

RE: dazzler control surface! help
 

Well, i dont know if im prepared, i have a 40 trainer size, and a 46Fx on dazzler! I can loop, roll and invert my trainer and make smooth lands! I also have Aerofly PRO simulator, and i can do hovers, inverted flights, snaps etc on the sim, but is not the same thing! I will try to takeoff next weekend! But before i will try to make a movie of my dazzler to post here, and u give your opinion about deflections! tks:)