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Was out with a instructor some time ago and was doing good,til he took over,did a roll over and headed straight down into a tree skinning it all the way down and broken prop. [:o] I had it under control and told him where i was going to turn ,he says ok but then says "i got it" and took it away from me and all he says is he couldn't see it.The only thing that wasn't broken was 1/2 of the wing,even busted the fuel tank.Now i have decisions to make.Since i have had my plane i joined the club and sat on the sidelines for a instructor,i flew with one and he's afraid it's gonna crash,another one wants to fly way too fast so i sit there,when i first started to fly the wind blew most of the time,seems like eternity.I bought two gallons of fuel when i got the plane and most of the first gallon was burned by me running it around on the lawn,several other people flew it,i just opened the second can on crash day.I decided to go out on my own one day and crashed,didn't hurt anything but i decided to stay with the club but now i'm not sure i made a wise decision,one instructor told me he didn't have time to teach me one day so i'll never ask him again,another one never shows up or answers his calls so nobody can ask him,the one i choose is good but busy so i just wait but my waiting is almost over,i'm gonna get hold of a few other clubs and see what they offer,with this club i think i've been up only four times and ten minutes each day i have been out there will take me forever to learn.I see others post about instructors giving them a good chance to fly and some solo then cut the cord in a few weeks and i understand i'm at there mercy and glad someone is glad to teach others but i think this club isn't the one for me. [&o]

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If you have other clubs in your area, by all means check them out.

Let them know your previous experience. If they say: "Yea, that's how it goes, it's hard to find time" You'll probably find more of the same there.

But if they say: "Come out with us, we've got lots of good instructors" THAT's the club you want!

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Sorry to hear about that.

It does sound like you might want to look around a bit more. It really is a matter of finding an instructor that has a schedule that matches yours.

Btw, just because a guy is too busy one day doesn't mean he will be too busy every day. Did you ask the guy who wants to go fast if you could slow the plane down a bit? It's possible he just isn't thinking about it. If you are used to flying bigger, faster planes, it's easy to forget just how slow a trainer can cruise around the sky.

Good luck.

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That bites. If you fly it by yourself, you will crash more. You need an instructor with some experience. Sounds like the one you had didn't have much more than you. Don't need that. Find another group that wants to work with you. They are around, but they won't come to you. You have to actively persue them and keep on them to fly ever time you are on the field. When you land, fuel up and ask if they are ready to go again. If you are not agressive, you won't get help.

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MinnFlyer ,I don't think i'll have the same problem with one i have in mind,the other one i have been to there fly-in and they seem like great people but it's a lot farther away so it's a choice for me to make.

Montague,The instructor i like (the one that crashed my plane) is a good instructor but his job has to come first,he told me this "other" instructor likes to fly real fast and the day he told me he didn't have time for me kinda burnt his bridge,however since it was on a regular fly day it was his choice but was told to come on out,i sat there waiting but never was in the air.

I know there is always a risk of crashing and i also know instructors can crash which is something i can accept,the plane can be replaced and will when i decide on which one and i would stay with a 60 since i already have the engine but i need airtime not a bench warmer.

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This instructor has many years of experience,it's just sometimes things happen and it was my turn in the barrel,on another note i asked if i could take it off the ground and he says if you think you can handle it then go for it and i did,never a problem on take-offs,if he can crash then so can i. [X(]

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Sorry about your plane 5_spot..
But it happens to the best given enough time.. It's to bad you have
to wait so long to get up.. I don't know if this works at your club, But
sometimes if you keep asking question about different things about
flying/learning.. They may tend to find more time to get you in the air
Not to pushy mind you, but to continually show interest not to just
your trainer but others as well.. But you may well be better off else
where.. But if the other clubs that far, this maybe worth a try..
Just a thought... Hang-in there!!

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Once i get to the field i get my plane all ready and run to warm up then i shut down and go help others or just do some chatting,usually about there plane,most of the people are nice and eager to talk and i listen to others tell stories ,i also know several that have been able to fly on there own since i've been there and one said he didn't have to have instructors help,he just started flying and nobody said anything to him but i guess that is acceptable with friends.I'm not pointing fingers but just decided i had to get some of the things off my chest.The instructor gave me a plane,a 40 size but i used my servo's,rx and battery pack,his engine but he wants the engine back when i'm thru flying but i'm thinking about my own engine,
maybe a thunder tiger 46.

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None of the guys you've been talking to at your club will help you out? If they are competent flyers they don't have to be officially labeled as an "instructor" to teach you to fly. Have you ask the other guys?

Just tell them you take full responsibility for the plane if they happen to crash it. They will more than likely help you.

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Club rules say you have to be a certified instructor which all they have is three maybe four but i can't say i've seen four,one guy said he would like to take me up but he's not certified by this club but by doing so he would probably get banned if anything happened or anybody found out so i don't ask him.

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That sucks,

Definetely look for another club.

If they are going to be strict with that policy then they should have relatively easy access to an instructor.

Its not necessary a bad policy, but it is if they don't have enough instructors in my opinion.

I'm not saying they should be there waiting for you and catering to your every need, but gee wiz, if you set there all day you should get at least a couple flights with an instructor.

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Bummer.

This year I knew I had to do a lot of home projects, and I also knew some new students were joining the club. There are only a couple instructors, myself one of them, so I decided to schedule everything for the summer, including training.

I'm accepting schedules for training in 20 minute blocks, 4:40 to 7:00, Mondays & Wednesdays. That's what I wrote in the newsletter. I'll take as many as I can, and if there are scheduled students left over afterward, I'll take them up until I have to leave. So, there could be as many as 8 scheduled training sessions, and I could train until dark, without ever flying my own planes.

So far, none of the new students have called to schedule. The other trainer has only had one, I believe, and I've been working with two students from late last year. I would be happy to accommodate them, if they call, but I won't go to the field and wait around for them.

The rest of the week, I work on my projects at home. So far, I've missed some Monday & Wednesday flying due to weather, and I've missed some outside work at home due to weather. It's the best I can do, this year. I do wish the new students would commit to a schedule.

5Spot, you deserve a good schedule for instruction. I hope you get one.

Just my 2 cents worth,
Dave Olson

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It took me three clubs to find the one that fit right,it was frustrating at times but the search was worth it.Keep looking the good ones are out there.

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My 'instructor' isn't an official club instructor pilot, but he's more than qualified as far as I'm concerned, and the club has no problem with it per se. However, he's not able to award me my 'wings'. So when I'm ready, I just arrange to have an instructor observe me do the required solo pattern, and I'm golden. Make SURE you can't do this at your club before you give up on them.

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If a buddy box is being used I don't see what the problem would be. The guy helping obviously has his "wings" and can fly. He would be in control of the plane at all times or at least a finger release away from being in control. Whats the issue?

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instead of posting here at 7:00pm you should have gone to your club meeting that was tonight and brought up your concerns.
Which instructor told you they didn't have time for you?

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BUSTED[X(]

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none of this post really is making much sense.

I thought you said that YOU had crashed your plane?
Also, I only got a chance to fly with you twice and both times the wind was over 30mph so we both agreed to land and not risk the plane. It even flipped over in the wind on the runway.

The guy that you say never flew and never needed a checkout is not true.
You are speaking of Chris. Who never flew a model before but flew a simulator for 6 months.
I took him up on his first 4 flight, and he was a natural.
On his very first flight he was making perfect patterns and he made 6 perfect spot landings. Never once did he seem like he was not in total control and I signed him off.

He is the exception, not the rule.

I have to say that of all the clubs I have been apart of, this is the very best in terms of pure friendship. Everyone of these guys would bend over backwards for every single member and I have seen it time after time.

If you have concerns, tell us! How will we ever know if your unhappy if you don't say something?

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You know 5_spot, You have to bring up your concerns.. If all is
on the up and up??? All should come out good... But you really
have to "air it" where it counts..
But I guess Shok will take care of your problem, What ever that
may be....

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Busted ?,i hardly think so,i know there is always a chance others read forums here but i hardly think telling the truth is against the law.

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Shok,
It wasn't my intent to drag the club or members into this and i won't,i stated what i felt yesterday and that's all,sometimes we have to vent and maybe it was wrong but i can't take it back and after thinking about it why should i ?,i have never mentioned the name of the club here or it's members,what i say is "the field or flying field" , and it's either "he or they" concerning people out there,no real names or place as it's not right.I asked you about a big stick i think and you mentioned it was harder than my trainer ,i think i said it crashed but never went into details as it doesn't matter who did what,maybe i did something wrong but he didn't want to say anything and that doesn't matter.What does matter is he feels bad about it but what's done is done,if he want's,i'll still fly with him as he's good and understandable and yes i know his schedule and it's hard for him right now,he's free on mornings thru the week but i have to work,no work no pay so i figure since wednesday is student time i set that time aside to fly,sometimes he cant make it,i also wait til saturday which i know isn't always the right time for students but i try anyway.The person i was refering to is you on a saturday i asked you if you would take me up,weather was almost perfect but you were trying to hang your plane and said not now,i asked you later and you said something about the engine wasn't running right so after a few minutes i walked off,go back and read post #5 "the day he told me he didn't have time for me kinda burnt his bridge,however since it was on a regular fly day it was his choice " ,maybe my words were a little strong but that's what i felt like that saturday.
The club is a good club and your right ,all the members are willing to help and i like them all,i also like to help out myself.No i didn't wait til 7 pm to post this,it was the time i got on here and i forgot about the meeting being this week,i thought it was next thursday,ya'll can spank me if you want.Tomorrow is saturday and if i'm still welcome i just might show up to fly,no hard feelings but i can belong to more than one club can't i ?.
John

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no hard feelings at all.

Join any club you want.
I'm surprised you thought I told you I didn't have time for you as I thought you had shifted to another instructor.

It's been getting harder and harder to find time to fly lately with my job situation, babies due any second now, test flying the F-7 for kitting, test flying everyone's new planes (when they want me to) and flying with trainers.

From what I remember that day I was flying a new plane of mine and I was having engine fits.
You walked up while I was flying and asked if I was ready to go fly with you. I told you to let me tweak this engine a bit and I would get with you.

Maybe I forgot, I dont know, alot happens at the field.
You should have just reminded me thats all.

Your welcome to come fly.

Just so you know ahead of time, we are going to do a few rounds of combat, then I am supposed to test fly Herbs new Bi-plane, then test fly Brians flying witch and then I will be free to help out.

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No hard feelings on this end and your right,i should address the club but i think everything will work out now and i'll walk up and shake your hand,
COMBAT ? ,no rules ,no rules in combat or are they,and can i call anybody out ?,it wouldn't be a challenge to them because i would probably crash before i got in but i can wait til next time.Thanks
John

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come on out and fly, we will be there