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Made it up late Friday, 1st time in about a month. Weathers been terrible. only one at the field and after a tank it was getting late and my fingers were freezing so thought about packing it in. Decided against it. started doing fly-bys at full throttle and rolling dives from about as high as I dared go. just started throwing the sticks around seeing what the plane would do, and was testing the heck out of my wing joint ( held up nicely :). couldn't get very fast rolls on the dives until I discovered something and am wondering if it's actually a maneuver or what:

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???? So what is this "new" maneuver? ;)

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oops. messed up my post somehow.

ok, nose down like after a stall turn I'd give max right rudder and down elevator (no ailerons) and the plane would roll like crazy. way faster than ailerons alone.

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I would not what to call it but it's very close to going to an inverted flat spin. Just a little more down elevator travel and it probably would have flatened out and continued to spin but slower. Throttle may do the same thing if there us enough power.

I do not normally answer a question with a question:

What plane is it?

Was it rolling nose low?

Did it seem as though it was rotating around a wingtip? or were the wings staying "level" as in the tips pointing to the ground and it was rotating around the center of the fuse.

My LT-40, would do that in just the same configuration, Nose straight down, wing leading edges pointing to the ground and rotating like mad around the center axis of the fuse. Thought the wings were going to come off but it sure looked cool and I could reproduce it at will. My Something Exta did it also until I increased the elevator throws then it turned into a beautiful flat sping

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I dunno, sounds pretty cool tho.... I do something similar with a trainer, pull up into a stall, then "bury" the sticks in the opposite corners. Don't think it's actually called anything, but it sure is fun! :D

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Thats a snap roll and depending on which corners it is either a positive, canopy in towrds the center of the roll, or a negative, canopy towards the outside of the roll.

The difference with ActionVerb is he is not using the ailerons. I can picture what he is describing and I think I'll go home tonite and try it on G2 since the weather sucks right now to go and try it on my Funtana or Ultimate.

All I need to know is what plane he is doing it with.

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its a Superstar 40. at work now so have no time, but will try to better describe the action when I get a break.

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hmmm .......sticks in oppisite directions without power.....sounds like a diving tumble??

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not sure what "rolling nose low" means. a steep dive, nearly straight down. Not rotating around the wingtip, pretty sure it was around the fuse centerline, and definetely had yaw and pitch changes (think those are the terms) while rolling. need to get back out there and try it again. I was out of daylight so didn't get to mess with it much.

sounds like what Im seeing. Were you getting that with max r. rudder and d. elevator like me?

Ok Im calling it a snap roll until I hear different and will try to figure out if its positive or negative. do snap rolls usually require ailerons?

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Could this be an attempt at a Blender???

The Blender, or Panic maneuver is a vertical diving roll that virtually stops its descent as it instantaneously enters into a flat spin.

How to do it:
Start from about 400-500 feet straight and level, chop throttle and push the nose straight down. As soon as the plane is diving straight down at low throttle, add full left aileron. Let it complete 2 or 3 rolls, then quickly transition the sticks to an inverted snap roll position (left aileron, right rudder, down elevator) all at the same time. If you do it right, the airplane will instantly transition from a left roll to a flat spin in the same direction, and the descent will all but stop. Add full throttle just after the spin goes flat making the rotation speed high and helping stop the vertical descent.

Article Type: How-Tos
Posted: 9/29/2000
Copyright: Copyright ? 2000 Horizon Hobby, Inc.

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I was able to recreate this last night on G2 and it sorta looks like a very violent negative snap roll to me. Never tried to do it diving straight down on the real thing though but in G2 I left it gain a little speed then hit the right rudder and down elevator and it stayed pointing fairly straight down after attempting to go into a flat spin and started spinning like mad to the right. Talk about a wing stresser. If you would throw a little aileron into it in the same direction, instant snap roll but the plane would never recover until I gave it opposite rudder to end the spin.

Here is another one to try that will test the wing. You need lots of elevator and rudder travel for this one.

Fly straight and level then climb up at a 45 degree angle and chop the throttle (make sure you have plenty of altitude), right as the plane stops flying and just before it stalls jam the sticks into the corners (full power, full right rudder, full up elevator, full left aileron), if you time it right the plane will actually start spinning around the CG point in the upright position and start to look like it's flying backwards and get real violent real fast as the tail snaps around, then transition into a knife edge spin. The transition to the knife edge spin will be very violent as well as this is called a lomevack (S?) and is a very violent gyroscopic maneuver. This can also be done climbing 45 degrees, rolling to a knife edge then jamming the sticks in the opposite corners of the direction of the knife edge (meaning if you rolled to a left knife edge and are holding right rudder, the jam the throttle forward, rudder to full left, aileron to full right, and full up elevator) and it will snap then go into the lomevack (S?).

The best planes I have ever seen do this is either the Funtana 90 or the CG Ultimate and it will scare the heck out of you. I've heard of people getting it done succesfully on the Extra's and the Edge 540. I was able to get my Twist and my SSE to do it once but cannot get the timing right.

Make sure to land and check out the plane right after you get it to do it. The timing must be right for it to work and you will know when you have it. Both my Funtana and the Ultimate will kick the tail around 3 or 4 times then do the transition. Each time the tail comes snapping around it gets more violent.

In the full scale world this maneuver was known in the earlier days to loosen the engine on the mounts and beatup the pilot pretty good.

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Thanks for the feedback guys.

BlenderBender, writing down that How-To for the Blender, will definitely have to try that next time out. Betting I don't have the deflections on my trainer to get it going though.

bubbagates, thanks for checking that out on your sim. "a very violent negative snap roll", I like the sounds of that :D It's kind of a milestone when the most aggressive maneuver I've done so far is inverted flight and stall turns. Can't wait to experiment with it more, will try to get that "instant snap roll" with some ailerons.

This lomevack (S?) sounds a lot like something I'd get when doing a stall turn: go vertical, chop throttle, full rudder, full throttle just before plane stops, and every once in awhile I get this crazy twisting that seems to have the CG as the axis point. Very cool but can't do it at will. Will take your description to the field next time give it a go.