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Sukhoi_Madness 12-06-2004 03:33 AM

RE: Is it worth it?
 
I'm not sure if I am coming from left field or approaching this in too much of a logical, not to mention, reasonable position...

But does the answer to your problem not just lie in coming to some arrangement with the other Pilot?

I mean, saying you can't be stuffed is fairly, well, ignorant and so is his stance of saying you must tell him before flying...

Would a simple... You fly on ABC days of the week, or phone call, not save a lot of time, hassle and money?

Sorry if this is not the same as the other answers but... "Yes" it is worth being reasonable, both parties, and coming to an amicable arrangement...

Cheers

Matt

P.S. If you try, or have tried to do this already, and he won't... just Shoot him down... :D:D:D[8D]

Just Kidding, Of course... [>:][>:][>:]

rlipsett 12-06-2004 09:08 AM

RE: Is it worth it?
 
regarding the removal crystals for transmitters ,it is a good thing to be able to remove the crystal from transmitters if you are going to be using them as a buddy box oras controls for flight simulators. with a buddy box it keeps the student who is learning from turning on the radio and causing damage to others flying on the frequency of the buddy box. For a simulator it keeps the power usuage low so the batteries last longer and you are not overheating the output transistors in the transmitter

britbrat 12-06-2004 09:21 AM

RE: Is it worth it?
 
Khodges (post 21) --- It most certainly is NOT illegal in North America to change your Tx crystal --- just in the USA. It is entirely legal in Canada & Mexico --- & it is done on a daily basis. I routinely change Tx crystals (staying within the appropriate high/low band) & there is no measurable loss of Tx performance -- they work perfectly to the limit of vision, & beyond.

eaglelope 12-06-2004 10:21 AM

RE: Is it worth it?
 

ORIGINAL: JasonWilliam

Ok, please someone correct me if I have this wrong:

A-it is illegal to change a tx crystal yourself, like the small pullout crystal found on the Futaba 6EXA
B-it is legal to change a module that houses the crystal like the Futaba 9C allows
C-it is ok to do B only if you stay within your low (12-34) or high (35-60) freq band

Question 1: I've read here many times that the low/high issue is probably just clever marketing. This thread seems to suggest otherwise?
Question 2: If Q1's answer confirms there is in fact a high and low band and once set from the factory, a device must remain in its band, can you plunk in a high band module into an originally low band tx, like the 9C again seems to allow?
Question 3: What about receivers? Must they also remain in their respective band?

Thanks guys. I've been looking for a definitive answer to these questions for a while now.
A: Correct
B: Correct
C: Incorrect. B is permissible on allfrequencies. You can even change to surface frequencies if you want if you're changing the whole module.

Q1: Not clever marketing, just different engineering. Most of the guys at my field operate on a single freq so they don't change much.
Q2: high/low band generally refers to receeivers that are pretuned for a specific band. A TX freq change must either user a tuned module or be retuned manually by a certified tech (in the USA)
Q3: Replace "MUST" with "SHOULD" and the answer is yes unless they are retuned. They will probably work either way, they just won't be "peaked" properly

Mark

BuzzBomber 12-06-2004 10:39 AM

RE: Is it worth it?
 

he has just as much right as the ama fliers at the field to fly... lets say you both have a 50/50 chance of crashing the other guy. he crashes your plane at the field, chances are no one gets hurt and no property is damaged. what happens if you crash HIS plane. the odds of someone getting hurt or property damage is probably higher. the worst part is that he can claim he didn't realize the problem existed, but you as an AMA member are completely aware of the situation, thereby entirely more responsible should something happen.
I'm not going to keep dragging the thread off-topic, but here's my final statement. If the off-field flyer is an AMA member, NO, he does not have as much right to fly as the people at the field--it's called intentional interference. If he flies within the prescribed limit of the sanctioned AMA field without a frequency sharing agreement, he is in violation of AMA rules. He knows the field is there and has communicated with the club, how can he claim he didn't realize the problem existed? Unless this person has a disability preventing them from travelling the whole 3 miles to the field, flying at home and causing this problem is just SELFISH! If the flyer is not an AMA member then he only has to comply with FCC regs, but it is still clear that he knows the conflict exists. I just don't understand why anyone would want to be in that position.

BillS 12-06-2004 12:47 PM

RE: Is it worth it?
 
It would be mean spirited but you can clear the air by getting the pin and turning the transmitter on for thirty minutes.

Now, when are we going to insist the manufacturers use existing technology to avoid the need for frequency control?

FLYBOY 12-06-2004 12:49 PM

RE: Is it worth it?
 
You have to realize, there is no way this guy belongs to the AMA. If he did, he would fly with the club. He also is so self centered, he doesn't care if the conflict exists or not. He is at as much risk as they are.

Its a crummy situation. Personally, I guess I would move to a different freq and avoid the problem. What goes around comes around, and the guy will definatly have problems in all aspects of his life given his lousy attitude.

piper_chuck 12-06-2004 12:57 PM

RE: Is it worth it?
 

ORIGINAL: Matt Smith
I'm not going to keep dragging the thread off-topic, but here's my final statement. If the off-field flyer is an AMA member, NO, he does not have as much right to fly as the people at the field--it's called intentional interference. If he flies within the prescribed limit of the sanctioned AMA field without a frequency sharing agreement, he is in violation of AMA rules. He knows the field is there and has communicated with the club, how can he claim he didn't realize the problem existed? Unless this person has a disability preventing them from travelling the whole 3 miles to the field, flying at home and causing this problem is just SELFISH! If the flyer is not an AMA member then he only has to comply with FCC regs, but it is still clear that he knows the conflict exists. I just don't understand why anyone would want to be in that position.
According to the OP, there is a frequency sharing agreement. The club agreed that anyone flying at their field call the person first to confirm that he is not flying. Seems this agreement works well for him and the club. Why are people getting hot and bothered with it? It's one channel out of many available.

piper_chuck 12-06-2004 01:05 PM

RE: Is it worth it?
 

ORIGINAL: FLYBOY

You have to realize, there is no way this guy belongs to the AMA. If he did, he would fly with the club. He also is so self centered, he doesn't care if the conflict exists or not. He is at as much risk as they are.

Its a crummy situation. Personally, I guess I would move to a different freq and avoid the problem. What goes around comes around, and the guy will definatly have problems in all aspects of his life given his lousy attitude.
I just don't get this kind of response. Statements like this are what turn many people off about the AMA. The AMA does not have exclusive rights to the flying frequencies. It is entirely possible that this guy was flying before the club moved near him. He might have a really nice personal field and no desire to pay club dues or wait to fly while the 3D pilots have the runway tied up with hovering practice. Which is more self-centered, the club telling the guy to fly with them or else, or the guy asking to be able to continue flying on the frequency he may have been using for years?

Once again, according to the OP, the club and the guy have worked out an agreement which appears to meet both their needs. Why do people have to disparage the guy?

piper_chuck 12-06-2004 01:07 PM

RE: Is it worth it?
 

ORIGINAL: BillS

It would be mean spirited but you can clear the air by getting the pin and turning the transmitter on for thirty minutes.
It would also expose you to a lawsuit because he could prove you knew about the potential conflict, violated club rules, and intentionally shot down his plane.

BuzzBomber 12-06-2004 03:15 PM

RE: Is it worth it?
 
'round and 'round it goes. Nobody wins here.

FLYBOY 12-06-2004 04:55 PM

RE: Is it worth it?
 
Chuck, I never said AMA owns the freqs. I said if the guy was a member of ama, he would fly at the field with other members. If he is so self centered that he will only fly at his house and doesn't work with the club unless they call him to ask if they can use it, why would he be an AMA member. It wouldn't cover him flying there anyway.

I don't understand your comments really. If the guy had any compasion for his fellow modelers, he would fly with them, become friends and enjoy modeling with them. If he were on your freq flying just down the way from your flying field, would you go out of your way to make sure you don't shoot him down or would you just go fly?

Yea, the club is doing what they have to in order to keep him from shooting people down. Its all they can do. He can fly anywhere he likes without being a member of the club or AMA. His right, just as the club has the right to the freq without calling him if they so choose.

BillS 12-06-2004 05:05 PM

RE: Is it worth it?
 
Chuck,

Please note that the words “… you can clear the air …” were carefully chosen.

A more important fact is that none of the potential frequency conflicts need to be the case.
Bill

carrellh 12-06-2004 10:37 PM

RE: Is it worth it?
 
It's ok to change the RF module because it is a tuned unit. The 7C does not have a removable RF module, it just has a crystal and the rest stays in the radio.


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