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I have a Hitec 555 receiver, 4 S3004 servos, and a .25 sized motor with nothing to put them in. I really want a plane that I can just fly and not worry about. I spent a lot of time bulding my LT-40 (from a kit). Everytime I fly it my knuckles are a bit white. This is exacerbated because it is the only airworthy airplane that I have at the moment. So I want another fun plane that will be somewhat dispensible if I crash.

My intention is to put a bigger fuel tank into this Cub, probably a 10oz if it will fit (if it won't, at least the biggest it'll hold). I don't mind if it dogs a bit in the air, as long as its pretty stable....I just want to be able to get 25 to 30 min flights. I have a little OS MAX .25 motor, so it should really sip the fuel.

Any body flown this plane, or have one?

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I acually ordered a .25 sized cub like that off of ebay...I bought a thunder tiger .25 for it but never built it because didnt have the tools or the skills reguired to build it. so I ended up getting the nexstar..I really like cubs though...I wonder...is this global kit better in quallity? .....

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Be aware that Cubs are not that easy to fly.

MANY PEOPLE do not suggest a Cub until you are ready for a 3rd plane (or later).

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I'd say go for it.... but get some more "white knuckle" time in on the LT-40 before flying the cub. As always, have someone more experienced at the field look it over(and test fly it if you have any doubts or even slightly nervous)

Cubs aren't all that hard to fly, but they do have some quirks... before you get it, read everything you can about cubs in general, and especially this one. (search, search, search).
:D

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I would second what Campy has posted. In addition stuffing a 10 ounce tank in that airplane would be problamatical at best even if you get it in (this made difficult by the fact it would require you to cut away most of the instrument panel area and possibly still not get it high enough for proper needlespraybar/tank height relationship).

Most of the time when oversized tanks are used and the proper height relationship is ignored those little venturi's and muffler pressure of the small engines is hard pressed to deliver the entire capacity of the tank. This frequently results in flameouts with plenty of fuel still aboard.

John

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Well, then, I'll go with the stock 6 oz. That ought to run it for a 15 min flight anyway...can always refuel and go again.

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That would be a wise decision.

John;)

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Why not try a Shark SPAD coroplast plane? http://www.engine-display.com/, he sells these in kit, arf, and rtf versions from $29.
I fly two of his Shark designs and love it with a .25 engine. At our Sebastian club, he's sold over ten of these to local guys and they race with them. These are durable, cheap, and very easy to fly at any speed, unlike many other SPAD designs out there.

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yes i have a comment, i wont that plane to,lol:)

its a very nice plaane m8.

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I am going to give it a shot anyway. I dont mind an extra challenge. It'll at the very least give me another flyable airplane to mess with. I'll go up on the buddy box with it several times....continue to build my confidence with the LT-40 and just have fun.

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This is what started the post, and not we're up to a challenge? Wow. You forgot about your knuckles a few days later?

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Here's what I mean:

I wanted a fun, simple, cheap, and somewhat disposable airplane to bolt some existing equipment that I already had to. Based on some research, I elected to get the cub. Then, I was told by some here that it is a bit of a challange to fly and has some quirks....but, since it is already on the way to me, I am not going to return it now. Instead, I'll build it and have a good time with it like I intended. However, in light of the fact that it could have a few surprises under its wings, I'll buddy box a bit until I get the hang of it.

Get it?

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Got it. He's going to do it his way. Sorry I replied to this attitude. These types need to crash to learn.

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What attitude???
The only attitude I seen was about two post earlier...get it? :D

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You didn't get it.

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lol.

What have I got to learn in your opinion?....that a crash would teach me?

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I think you're making it difficult for yourself trying to make a Cub a trainer.

You posted here for advice, then ignored the advice. I certainly gain nothing giving you advice yet you rather tough it out. I have a five year old who doesn't listen either.

I would strongly urge you to put the Cub on a shelf and get your LT-40 or similar trainer and put some flights on those, many flights until you get your take off and landings down. Then you can graduate to a tail dragger and a great second plane is a SIG Four Star, far more predictable than a Cub and that would be your second plane.
So, you want a Cub for a trainer, the crash will open your eyes. I've seen those pilots too, they go in over-confident and fail at great expense to their invested building time and cost of the kit. Just take everything now and throw it hard on the driveway, you're chances are better now to save something.

Trainers are called that for a reason and they have a valuable place in the hobby to break in a pilot. If you want a tail dragger for a trainer, well, you could find a Telemaster with very good flying characteristics and be just one step behind the Cub. You need some dihedral with a flat bottom wing, longer than normal wingspan, and small control surfaces. The better the CG, the better the flight.

Hey it's just my opinion, everyone has one. Tower has a trainer ARF for $49 on the scratch and dent section, there is a cheap way to have a knock around plane. If the LT 40 makes you nervous, the Cub will give you a stroke. Try reading Flying Basics here:

http://www.easyrc.com/airplanes/index.html#fly

Then read:

http://www.easyrc.com/airplanes/airplanes4.html

They specifically state once you master a trainer, this would be a next step, and even that is an opinion.

Here is yet another source that specifically addresses the Cub trainer philosophy:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/mag/FTG...19/19main.html

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get a sonic low wing trainer from tower. I have one, very easy to fly

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How does a low wing help someone who is nervous with a LT-40 shoulder wing trainer? He needs something slow and easy and cheap to fly. A second hand plane is good. I suppose when some people have been flying for a long time, they forgot what it was like to start out. I teach my kids to fly, so I taught them on a Butterfly with a .20 on it, just a simple three channel plane that gives you several seconds to correct. I wouldn't put anyone in a low wing trainer who is having trouble with a LT-40.
The references above explain why.

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HE SAID he was going to be buddy boxed on the plane and it is a tricycle gear and the ground handling is as easy as a trainer. And on a buddy box there should be no trouble with the cub. As long as the instructor is doing his job.

I missed the part where he already ordered the cub so I guess the damage is done.

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Bryris:

You aren't going to find what you want in a balsa plane. However, if you like flyin', like I do, and hate buildin' and fixin', then this is what you need:

www.FXHobbies.com

www.SpadFlyer.com

Ciao,

Mr Akimoto

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krosypal,

I really don't appreciate your indirect criticisms. If you want to cut me down or call me other things along the lines of a 5 year old, I'm afraid I can't be bothered.

Briefly..as talking to you is a waste of my time....

I have been flying the LT-40 with good success. I can safely fly the airplane with no problems, but am still working on consistency and more perfection (spot landings, dead sticks, etc). The reason I get a bit nervous with the LT-40 is because I built it from a kit, and it was my first.

In light of the fact that I have already purchased the cub....I will build it and fly it...WITH A BUDDY BOX FIRST!...to see for myself how it handles. If it seems squirrly, I will make a real-time judgement call on whether it should be benched for a while or not.

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Thats not the point I felt was in my response, but if you're so sensitive to turn it into a bashing somehow, I'm sorry. Enjoy your Cub and clarifying the level of flyer you are.

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It arrived today and in good condition. Seems to be missing a music wire w/ Z bend....but perhaps I lost it. I'll get a new one of those.

I am happy with the quality of the ARF so far. I am going to add some glue here and there on the critical parts. But, the Ultracote (or Monocote - the box refers to it being covered with both :)) all looks good with very few wrinkles. All in all, it looks like pretty quality workmanship.

I am going to start putting it together maybe tomorrow and just work a tad each night until its done.

lol....this thing will fit in my car trunk without removing the wing. Thats funny! Its only a .25.

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<<I just want to be able to get 25 to 30 min flights. >>

Consider a powered glider, or the Dynaflite Butterfly.

I figure when I fly I get three 15 minute flights before I start to worry about the receiver battery. If you fly 30 minutes, and try a second flight on the same batteries, you might be stretching the limits. Not only that, but a plane that balances out a "15 minute" tank is going to move towards tail heaviness if you trim it out for a "30 minute" tank. You're going to have to decide between squirrely take offs or squirrely landings. It would be even worse with a tail dragger. To get a heavy tank in the air you'd have to balance it at the back extreme, and tail heavy is a handful in any aircraft.

The Cub is not a trainer. Landing gear is narrow, tail dragger means you need rudder input when taking off, crosswinds will ground-loop you. If you're looking for longer flights because you worry about landing an LT-40 you certainly won't like a Cub.

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Can't be said better than this, Cubs and buddies boxes means only the instructor is flying that day. NiMH 2400 mah batteries can give you over four hours of receiver life, or a backup switch device and a second receiver battery from Tower is what I use as insurance, especially should a battery fail or disconnect, that $45 device saves planes. Here's the link:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXAFM9&P=7

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hi have you thought about building a spad?,theyre cheap and fly great and also practicaly unbreakable have a look on the spad forums and look for some plans on how to build one theres loads to choose from!!also spadtothebone.com has free plans and great advice .flying one of these things will take all the fear away as you cant break these things they bounce!!!.at least thats what they say!!,im currently building a dps for a 46 engine but you can build em any size for any engine from say a 15 up!!.not bad for £10 but i know its cheaper over there for you guys so just think for the same price as a normal balsa kit you could build ten spads or more!!!.

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A spad usually doesn't work well as a trainer with some exceptions. the idea of those being extremely durable is true. As a good intermediate choice, I've purchased several from rgagnon here on RCU. He even has a video online of him flying one. They are superior in wing design and balance to others I've seen. He uses 2mm coroplast for a lightweight .25 version you'd be amazed how stable it is in flight, at any speed.

http://www.engine-display.com/produc...l-aircraft.htm

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It is yellow in color!

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And? did you see it in the online video? Excellent flyer for half a balsa kit, and this is a ARF.

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Its going to be fine with the cub. Gonna continue to fly the LT-40 primarily for my continued training. Going to mix the cub in here and there until I get the hang of it...and if I crash it, I am not going to lose a wink of sleep over it. Thats the reason I bought the thing in the first place....its cheap...its an ARF...and I am putting a bunch of my spare parts into it.

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laugh i nearly fell off my chair lol,there are loads of spad trainers that fly just as well as balsa ones!!,the debonair is an exellent one with no vices you can also build a wing with no dehederal and a presto you have a sports plane!!ive read nothing but great things about this plane and after seeing one fly i can say this plane is a fantastic trainer!!.

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Dude, get what you want, fly it like you want, enjoy it and don't take anything most people say on this board for too much.

I've flown that plane, a buddy has one...it flies like a trainer, its not true scale...the wingspan is a little longer than scale and definatly wider front to back...short of one during a messed up deadstick, i havent seen it stall at all...

Everyone here wants to tell everyone to take baby steps...which, for them, may be the right thing, but then they get all bent if someone refuses to yeild to their amazing advice...

The thing is, the reason alot of people like to fly is the rush...and a big part of that rush is knowing that you can crash...the more the risk, the more the rush...its natural...

I learned to fly with a Stryker, after everyone said it was NOT a first plane....well...In 4 months ive crashed twice, first time i flew into the sun and lost it....the second time my battery fell out in a roll...both times i was back in the air within minutes...and even if i did trash it...i could rebuild everything but the controller for about 50 bux....no big loss

Im not saying that everyone is going to pick the this up quick....what I am saying, is that everyone needs to change the way they give advice...Stop assuming that the person asking is at the lowest skill level possible, clarify things before you give advice...

The argument is always, they get ahead and crash, they wont want to buy again and will leave the hobby...but on the flipside, they get a dummy plane and are bored, they put it away and might not buy another because they dont see the other stuff, or cant afford to buy 10 planes to get to a decent one...

And krosypal, I know your intentions were good and you probably didnt mean it, but thanks to the fact that text doesnt hold emotion too well, you came off as very rude in your posts....I read them a couple of times...and I can see that you really didnt mean to come off that way...but the first time through, they seemed very harsh...

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did i miss something i cant remember telling anyone to take baby steps!! he asked for advice on a cheap plane that he didnt mind crashing!!.i told him of a way to get one,i wish id gone the spad route rather than a balsa trainer were not all made of money so id rather keep my planes in one piece as long as possible .not easy when your learning!!!

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martno1fan, wasnt really directed at you...yours was a much more productive response (even though some, myself included, dont really like spads...but thats just preference) ...

The ones im talking about are the "that plane is too advanced...." without knowing their true skill level....

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thats ok then;),dont worry ive had all that myself i learnt on a tutor 40 all by myself:D.to be honest im still learning lol i was just telling him its cheaper to crash a spad ie no damage if you do hardly anyway wher as crashing his cub could do this!![img][/img]this is what happened to me last month and its taken some time and no little skill to get it to this!![img][/img].in my humble opinion its better to have a cheap airplane that flies well that can take abuse rather than smash into peices like mine did costing me a few quid in the process too lol[>:].

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I'll take credit for encouraging "baby steps". 500 million years of vertibrate evolution has proven it to be the best system of starting out when you're new at something.

Yes, you can learn to fly with a hot P-51

Yes, you can eventually go from a cheezy S.P.A.D. to a plane that flies on the wing instead of just the engine.

Yes, you can crash 'em and walk away with 75% of your investment still intact (the airframe is only 25% of the value of most R/C set-ups).


But, sometimes it's good to have someone tell you to not move the prop on an engine after a "figure 9" until the carb has been flushed of dirt so you don't ruin the cylinder/sleeve (which can cost as much as a new engine).

But, some clubs will (rightly) boot your butt out if you crash often and are unrepentant. That's just dangerous.

But, a S.P.A.D. wil lget you bad habits that will cost you "real" planes if you don't compensate. When the engine dies at take off on a scale bird and you have a background of jumping a S.P.A.D. into the air, you're in a world of hurt and re-kitted balsa because you have no idea how to prevent a stall.

But, sometimes you want to advance, and being self taught you don't know jack until you figure it out by trial and error. That's darned expensive in this hobby. Lots of dead ends, lots of gear ends up in garage sales because frustration won over bullheadedness. I was self taught 25 years ago, but not well. And that was comming off years of free-flight and control-line. I gave up and sold everything. I got back into it in my second childhood and found an instructor with a buddy box. WORLD of difference. Getting help or just talking to other fliers teaches you things you never dreamed of. Different approaches to improve engine performance and flying equipment/methods. The self-taught have only one viewpoint . . . and that's looking up from the bottom.

I guess I'm just a dinosaur from the time when airplanes needed wings and horsepower couldn't make up for technique. Some of us here made a lot of costly and painful blunders and we are freely offering tips on how you can avoid them. If you're the personality type that needs to go your own way and make your own mistakes, fine. You can torque roll the box the plane came in for all I care. Just don't belittle those that ask and those that try and answer. Some people appreciate a variety of viewpoints to absorb . . . not just their own.

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its obviouse to me you havent seriously looked at the spads or you would realise they have come a long way!!they flie just as well as any other plane if you choose the right one take a look at some and tell me im wrong;)!!

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Charlie...I agree with you on most points...good advice is good advice...

My main point, was that when you give good advice, don't take it personally and come back hatefull if they say they arent going to take your advice...thats all.

For most people...they will take baby steps...I am lucky...I am literally as close to a natural pilot as you can be...the first time i held a TX it was in my lhs on a sim (G3) ... in 5 minutes I was doing low inverted passes, full inverted circuits...etc... now i know the sim isnt real...and cant really teach you...but to me the controls have been natural from the first time i picked them up....so I have jumped in...

And just as a note of where im at on the scale...im at the bottom, i havent soled on my nexstar yet, but thats because ive only gotten a chance to fly it twice...and the second time I was told i could have soloed if we had more light left...new job, new car...things piled up and i havent got to the feild in a while...thats why i bought the stryker...i take it to work with me and fly on a lunch break...

I am by no means a pro, or an expert...and im not trying to give advice that i havent earned the right to give, im just saying when you give advice, just respect the other persons right to follow or not follow it...and leave it at that...its not personall when someone doesnt take you advice..

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bryris - i just want to say that people that responded to the post were trying to help. its just that they thought you hadn't made up your mind yet. but in rereading your original post, it's clear that you weren't really asking if we recommended it but rather what we thought of it. in fact, you probably already ordered it!

but more importantly, the cub. while i understand the love of your trainer, i am concerned about the way you are approaching the cub. while it is true that it may be less expensive that your other plane, please be careful with it all the same. it is still a deadly weapon if you can't fly it. i know there will be a great temptation to fly without the buddy box and i'm sure you will within a few times. just remember, unless you can crash it where you want to (then you just shouldn't have!) a crash can hurt more than just your plane.

i love cubs and have the same size cub in a WM Cub .26, which is really the best looking small cub i've seen.

1. be gentle with the throttle, nailing it could send you into loop
2. use elevator on taxi and slow roll, looping thing again
3. take off into the wind as much as possible, ground looping thing again
4. be ready with the rudder, ground looping again
5. ...AND elevator (depending on how much downthrust you have on your cub), your prop could come on the asphalt
6. learn to coordinate turns
7. land as much into the wind as possible
8. taxi with the elevator up

the global version is decent though the landing gear isn't too scale. this is mine...