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ORIGINAL: tsands ...What I don't understand and may never understand is why people always have to throw in the occasional shot about maybe having to go to the hospital and all this garbage... |
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Maybe I should tell my wife not to cook while she's home alone she may cut her finger while peeling the potatoes. GET REAL Accidents happen all the time no matter what we do. Have you never seen anyone cut their finger while cooking? I know I should tell my mom not to do her knitting unless dad's home. She may stab herself in the eye. I got my finger in the prop SO WHAT. It hurt, it bled. big deal ALL I'm asking is that the people that enjoy this hobby AND the people that give advice should also use common sense. Your response to my post had absolutely no common sense in it whatsoever.
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Further more. I'm not too concerned about people hurting themselves. Now I'm not saying I want to see people get hurt. I'm saying if a person is dumb enough to put their hand in a spinnign prop then maybe that is what they need to do to make them understand this is a no no. MOST of these people are not children and do not need to be treated as such. I am however extremely concerned with people hurting other people. THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM. If one is out in a field by themselves and can only kill themselves that is THEIR problem not mine or yours. That's all I'm sayin. Stop treating people like children and telling them "now jimmy if you don't do it my way ur gonna get hurt". I've got a novel idea. Hows about you tell them "good luck with teaching yourself to fly just use some common sense and do everyone a favor and stay WAY out in the country so the only person you hurt is yourself since you're too stubborn to get an instructor. Sorry if this upsets you but life is life and people do stupid things.
This guy did a great job of teaching himself how to fly. He obviously has more skill than I do because when I was taught by my instructor it became obvious very quickly that I would have destroyed many airplanes in the process adn probably left this wonderful hobby. GREAT JOB ON BUILDING THE PLANE AND TEACHING YOURSELF HOW TO FLY. |
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tsands, while we fellow modellers would be notably upset if you cut off one of your fingers or blinded yourself, everybody, particularly the insurance weasels & the various & ever-increasingly intrusive respective government agencies, will be grossly upset if you kill or maim someone with your toy. Standing on your right to fly without an instructor doesn't just affect you. We all will be in deep ***** if you kill or maim some innocent person.
If you have a shred of common sense & feeling, try picturing yourself standing there with your Xmitter in hand as a tanker truck full of gasoline plows into a bussload of kids because you stuck a plane through its windshield. This, of course, is without regard to the family of the victim & their attorneys who are going to rape you without the benefit of KY jelly. They will also attempt to rape anyone in the vicinity, plus the hobbyshop, the engine & model manufacturers & your mother & father. You might even get "whacked" if you kill the wrong individual. -- all because you didn't learn how to fly competently before taking it up alone -- as is your self-proclaimed inviolable right to individual freedom of choice. DO YOU GET IT NOW???????? |
RE: Learn to Fly without an instructor
ORIGINAL: tsands ...Maybe I should tell my wife not to cook while she's home alone she may cut her finger while peeling the potatoes... ...if a person is dumb enough to put their hand in a spinnign prop then maybe that is what they need to do to make them understand this is a no no... I've seen a number of incidence where instructor intervention has saved newbies from accidents that most likely would have required medical attention. Some were due to lack of common sense, or stupid mistakes because they were caught up in the excitement, others were due to things that went very wrong very fast. Your apathy is also pretty apparant to me... and it's truly sad... I'm sure glad you're not in my club. |
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BRIT BRAT Maybe you should read more closely. You obviously didn't. I said out in the country far away from people. PKH have you ever seen anyone stick their finger in a prop that wasn't a first timer? CASE CLOSED COMMON SENSE IS THE ANSWER TO THE WORLDS PROBLEMS NOT PEOPLE LIKE YOU GUYS DOING EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO CONTROL EVERYTHING.
EDIT: You people act like I'm some sort of communist. All I'm trying to say is accidents happen no matter what. You can be taught by an instructor and be on a buddy box for 2 yrs and still there is a chance that you'll get hurt. A modeller who has flown for 25 yrs can lose control of a model and plow their plane through a windshield of truck which in turn plows into a school bus full of children. I'm an ama member and again will state that a person should get an instructor to learn to fly(how many times do I have to say it?) That still doesn't prevent accidents. READ THOUROUGHLY AND THINK ABOUT WHAT I'M SAYING NEXT TIME BEFORE YOU REPLY |
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That, and 30% of the first time fliers that come to our field have a control surface reversed. Ailerons most often, elevetor and rudder occasionally.
Really short first flights with that situation. We mandate an inspection before it gets to the instructor (if there are enough members hanging out) so they usually have multiple pre-flight checks. |
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I built my plane and had my instructor check it thouroughly before the flight. Much safer but if people insist on it I WANT THEM WAY OUT IN THE COUNTRY AWAY FROM PEOPLE AND STRUCTURES.
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Charlie P I totally agree. VERY SHORT FIRST FLIGHTS out in the country where there is nothing or no one to get hurt. The best bet for success is still an instructor and a club. No clubs within 60 miles of me so I went with just the instructor. I joined ama so If I wanted to go to a funfly for a day if available I could. In july I went to one in Iola and told all the guys that it was my first time at a club and asked them to check my planes and told them they were MORE THAN WELCOME to put me on a buddy box to show them I knew what I was doing. I got invited back but with a wife adn 2 kids it's hard to find a day all to myself to go that far.
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ORIGINAL: tsands PKH have you ever seen anyone stick their finger in a prop that wasn't a first timer? CASE CLOSED COMMON SENSE IS THE ANSWER TO THE WORLDS PROBLEMS NOT PEOPLE LIKE YOU GUYS DOING EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO CONTROL EVERYTHING. **edit** it should be known im not against teaching yourself if necessary, but i take exception to telling people"theres nothing wrong wiht it, its better than going to a field" , wich is essentialy what MOST people who jum on the DIY wagon say, and it gives newbs BAD experiences, and may get them hurt. IT IS safer to go to a field with glow planes, and it is better to be taught how to do it then learn by trial and error.....especialy when the error with a big 40 or 60 size motor can remove apendages.** |
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I read very well thank you.
I have one more comment & then I will say no more on this subject. It is not uncommon for a model to dissappear over the hills & far away when a pilot loses sight of it in the air. One loose model flew from Eastern Ontario about 30 miles into New York State. Instructors are routinely "rescuing" student planes from this fate. Out in the country & far away doesn't mean diddly. |
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BritBrat you Obviously you did not read clearly or your response would not have been what it was. Yep brit brat and I bet you a thousand that model wasn't flown by a beginner teaching himself. You're only out of this because there is no LOGICAL argument to what I am saying. Try if you want but I'll blow everything you say out of the water. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY is what life is all about. We're not babysitters. People make their own decisions and we have to deal with them. Putting themselves in harms way is their business. Putting society in harms way is MY business.
Txaggie. That is precisely what I was saying. People make decisions and it's not our responsibilty to "babysit" every person who chooses to do it alone. |
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no but when a rank beginner comes online to ask a question, it is our moral responsibility to give him the safest and best advice, not to try to "get under peoples skin"
im VERY proud that the guy who started this thread taught himself to fly, and im impressed he did it with an apropriate model, and did not try to fly a warbird or something |
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I'm very proud also. He did a great job. The problem with this thread is... WE ALL AGREE. Get an instructor to teach you how to fly. The thing.. is most of these people aren't children. I'm sure they know that a prop can cut their finger the same way a lawnmower blade can. These people have read these threads and know the dangers. We don't have to go over and over and over telling them "now billy you'll cut your finger". We need to tell them get an instructor so you don't hurt anyone. If you chose not to.... GO ALONG WAY IN THE COUNTRY. Don't worry most of them wont make it 50 yrds and they will crash and the plane wont be trimmed well enough to fly that far much less MILES.
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I agree with tsands...
From what I've seen, most people on this board that have been caught by a prop werent beginners...because most beginners are scared ****less of that thing...its the old-timers that get complacent. As a matter of fact, i would be its safe to say that complacency brings down more planes than anything else...Im still new...and me and another new guy at our feild do a range check before first flight of the day...we both take a few seconds more to take the glow ignitor off around the prop...check the control surfaces....do ALL the preflight checks...because we are nervous about what will happen if we dont...the old hats come out, pull the plane out of the truck, check voltage maybe...put the wing on, fill it up and go... Stupid people will hurt themselves one way or another...thats just the reality of it....and guidance is never a bad thing...but you know...somone who isnt smart enough not to put their hand through the prop on their first day (without being told otherwise) isnt going to be smart enough to not do it a few days/weeks/sometime later... |
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tsands,its not an accident until it happens
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try picturing yourself standing there with your Xmitter in hand as a tanker truck full of gasoline plows into a bussload of kids because you stuck a plane through its windshield. by the way I'm trying to get off the other subject although I agree with tsands:D |
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Dude....you don't know anyone involved in that accident that killed thousands where that guy with the rc plane lost control and flew into a commercial airliner who crashed into a nuclear power plant that blew a neighboring military arms installation?
Everyone blows the saftey thing out of proportion for no reason...worst case scenario all the time...these things arent that unsafe...if your dumb...yeah....you can get hurt... "You might hit someone" ... well...if something bad happens, yeah...maybe...but name someone...please... |
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ive seen in the last three weeks, two experience pilot drill planes into the ground within a few feet(and one was LITERALY within about two feet) of people in the pits by accident. the one hit hard enough we would have loaded the guy up for the hospital and HOPED he lived if it had hit him. personaly i liked the idea of learning to do it properly before i tried it myself.
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Like you said...2 experienced pilots....nothing to do with being new...thats the point we're trying to make...from what ive seen...more crashes tend to be from "experienced" pilots...stuff happens to everyone..
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dude if someone with 15+yrs experience has these problems, what are newbs gonna do when it happens and cant make it any better
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You guys are grasping for straws now (wait, thats what's been happening the whole time). It sure isn't an accident until it happens, but what does that have to do with teaching yourself to fly? It's kinda like "You'll shoot your eye out kid". If a person is alone out in a field somewhere in the middle of no where they wont have to worry about even coming close to hitting anyone. If a club has a new person come to their field they have a responsibility to their members to make sure said piliot is skilled enough to be safe. Whether you're taught by an instructor or yourself you can still be safe. If the world was the same in the early 1900's there would be no planes for us to fly cause you people would have to Orville and Wilbur "you can't fly that thing you don't have a license".
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Y'all read the thread about 3 trainers dead in 2 minutes, with instructors at the controls? If that story is true,(no reason to doubt it not) why in the heck would you put so many 'newbies' in the air at once? 4 total in the air. What, was it so busy at the field that day that they had to have a 'trainer only session'? Kinda like at a skating rink, 'ok this is a couples only session'! Now how 'safe' was that? It was the instructors that got distracted with another instructors's wreck. I agree with tsands on saftey, it's everyone's responsibility. Unfornately, some are danger to themselves and others no matter what they are doing. How some people make it thru life amazes me at times.
Just some rambling thoughts from my scrambled mind. If ya can't be a good example, be a really horrible bad example! |
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Whether you are a new flyer or an old flyer, common sense should tell anyone that you don't stick your hand in the fan when checking the oil in your running car. You don't do jumping jacks under a low ceiling fan. You don't clean grass from underneath your mower with it running. Any person from a very young age can look at something and tell if it is dangerous or not. The problem is that some people are just a little more careless than others, and it has absolutely nothing to do with how much flying time they have under their belt. So I agree that the "you will cut your hand off kid" thing should be left for just general conversation and not directed towards only new pilots. Getting bit by the prop is NOT just a new pilot thing. Props are not prejudice who they bite!
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ORIGINAL: rjm1982 ...from what ive seen...more crashes tend to be from "experienced" pilots... |
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