Basics for everyone
 

Ok people lets get down to basics here. I seen lots of crying and wimpering on how I bought this airplane and it sucks, or i crashed it on it's first flight. Don't buy this or that. Try this and and that. This plane would'nt fly if it was on a rope. Well boo hoo.. If you are a beginner, a newbe, a rookie, new to the plan start with an airpane you can fly. A trainer. No one I know started out as top gun ace. Learn to fly. Learn the basics of flight. Don't go for the big guns airplane. P51s, corsairs, twin jets, multi engine planes. Learning to fly is not like riding your bike. Fly a airplane that can fly itself.A trainer. An airplane that will self correct and remain stable in the air. It does'nt have to have a 100 inch wingspan or the biggest baddest engine it just has to fly. It gets you started out on the right foot instead of stumbling around wondering what to do. You got time to react and think and get it right. If your freinds rib u so what. This can be a very expensive hobby and why waste your cash. This is a very fun and relaxing hobby for most of us so lets come down to earth here. Always precheck your airplanes controls. Make sure everything works and in th right direction. Believe me nothing will end your day faster than control reversel.. Check your center of gravity. If it's wrong, correct it. Make sure your engine is tuned and running properly. If your new get help. no one will bite your head off. We all needed help at one time. Most if not all clubs have very experienced people to get you off to a good start. Electric powered, make sure your battery is fully charged and give the engine combo a test run to give you a time of duration. How long it will take to run out of charge. FOR EVERYBODY BASICS.
When you launch your airplane what are the first things to happen? Come on now lets all think here....... Times up. What happens first is sudden lose of speed. What are the results?... times running out. Lose of altitute. You don't have much to biginwith so u need all you can get right from the start. DOnot forceably climb because why?...when you climb you lose airspeed and? you decend into the ground boom! Whats next?.... Times up. torgue roll. which way will it roll. opposite the engine rotation. How to correct. Ok here's the tricky part. Most trainers will not show a great deal of roll on takeoff. They are designed that way to give you a good chance at a successfull flight. No surprizes but. If you need to correct for mild torque roll use your rudder control. Easily. Alittle on the control is all you need. If you have sudden extreme roll. use yor aileron controls to level yourself out. Then adjust for level flight. Trim. Sounds easy and it will be with time.. How do you prepare for a first flight. Well you do not go and fling your new airplane into the air right out of the box Like so many of you seem to be doing with the PZ P-51 and then crying cause it went down like a stone. You have got to make sure everything is correct. I mean everthing. Set the center gravity. nuetrel your controls. adjust the ailerons and elevator and rudder to their nuetral positions. Use a straight edge for these adjustments. Then think! What is going to happen as soon as I release this plane from my hand and it is on it's own. Is there anything to do to prevent a crash before it happens. Any questions??? Feel free to ask.

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Geeze Isis...........what's with the attitude. With advice given the way you just did, I'd quit thinking about this hobby and take up golf or bowling. None of the newbies really know what questions to ask or at least very few and it really does hurt when you wreck your first "baby" no matter what it might have been. And all new participants in this hobby suffer from the getting ahead or yourself syndrome. As a modeler of over 30 years (this time), I can say that the kind of attitude you put forth here is what discouraged me in the first place and made me really appreciate the instructor that took my son and I under his wings and saw us through the learning process. I'm still learning and am grateful to those that can guide me through new facits of this hobby.

Please lighten up a bit.......none of the comments that the new-comers make really affects you anyway.

Regards,
Andy

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YIKES!!!!!![X(]

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If you put on your hip waders, so you don't get too dirty wallowing through the "stuff", there are a few good messages there, but nothing that hasn't already been said many, many times in this forum already, and in a much easier to read tone.

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He means well, but tact is seriously lacking. Just like public speaking, public typing is as art that requires forthought AND PRACTICE. Isis, before you post something, read it for not just typing errors(I didn't see any), but also askyourself "is there anything I typed that will offend someone?" By rewording several statements, you would have had a very informative post, not a negative one. No accusing here, just food for thought[sm=wink.gif]

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I think Isis bought a new soap box and just wanted to try it out. He did get a little carried away but all he said was true. Reminded me a bit of Eagle Al. Sorry, but that is not a compliment. I am sure he meant well though.

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Actually there are quite a few spelling and grammar errors but I wouldn't have mentioned them if you had not raised the issue. :D

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Hmmm, I think that the expression "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" fits in here.

Ken

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Troll

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Yep :eek:

[X(]

[>:]

:D

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Some things can never be said enough. As long as someone learns. Remembering the basics is what it is all about gentlemen.
isis

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This is quite true. But sometimes it's not what you say but rather HOW you say it that makes a student learn.

Ken

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Bruce as usual, I allways get a kick out of your input. A new soapbox, laughing!! I hope it's not too slippery up there.[sm=drowning.gif].


Mark

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Let's see, this guy joined RCU a little more than a year ago and has only 38 posts? Obviously, he doesn't have much to say or contribute to this forum in a positive way. Strange, I thought our sport was about having fun. :D

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I have been in the hobby for about 15 years and that post makes me feel like I better not ask any questions. Take a chill pill, maybe two. Did you take all of the correct steps when you started.

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Some people take this hobby way to seriously. Its not boot camp.

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I wasn't looking for any typing errors, so I didn't see any. I was just a little stunned to read that post[sm=eek.gif]

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You are right on with what you are saying, but your attitude and delivery just plain sucks! It's attitudes like yours that turn some new guys away from this hobby in the first place!! I know if I showed up at the field for my first time and some guy came across with the attitude you have in your post, I would seriously have to think about whether to lay him out cold on the ground, or pack my stuff and go home. I hope you arent an instructor with tact like that.

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All the right steps. I tell you I still don't know em all and for sure never will. If I rustled a few feathers here I am sorry but yor all thinking now. Keep it up. We as learned pilots, sometimes the hardway, have a duty to help the new kid on the block succeed. We all know the expence of the game. Even the best get into trouble cause of the fade facture. you forget, become to confident in your abilities and wow, boom in the ground. Then, as I have done on many occasion boot yourself in the butt. My first airplane,which I thought was the most beautiful thing I ever saw was a Cox 049 P40 warhawk. I mean here it is Christmas morning, jumping out of bed, running over to the tree, and this big, bigger than I was box is handed over to you. What could this possably be? Oh man. Ripping off the wrapping and comming to a complete stop, like time had ran out, Eyes as big as the sky. I saw it, green, red dot stars on the wings, amotor, a real gas powered motor, battery, fuel, string. Everything right there. Oh! I tell you this was great, terrific. I pulled it out of the box and just looked at it. From every possable angel. Touched it, felt it, rubbed it, became part of it. Imagined flying the real deal over enemy territory. Oh man this was great. I was a goner. The mold was cast, the nail set, the screw anchord, so now fifty some years later here I am. With the same passion as then. And just as innocent, still trying to learn all I can and trying to help others anyway I can.and if that means a few cages get upset, a few feathers rustled so be it. So many of you are so smart and caring and skilled builders and flyers, take the time to help out. That's all. I mean look at all the airplanes out today. Give you a headache. well, I never got a chance to fly that airplane I loved so much and now I fly what ever I can afford. So I know the ins and outs and disappointments, the greifs. Technology ran pasr me so fast I'm still in a tail spin going down trying to save my butt. And yes like so many others I crash and burn too. Sometimes the mouth overpowers my common sense and that gets me into trouble looking for a way out. Sort of like now. Anyways. What we need here is a place we can all go and meet and have a blast. Aplace the young and old can get together and share stories and talk. Figure out what went wrong. A crash and burn forum. What do you all THINK? oups! there's that word again.
ISIS

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Well I quess I got my butt reamed on this. Look fellow flyers if you jump into some thing with both feet you have got to know all you can. You all know that. The good the bad and the ugly. I'm not tripping my own trigger here believe, I can be as dumb as a rock an twice on sunday. I'm still a newbe here myself. Christ some of you guys are doing things with model planes people of my generation never thought possable till someone did it. Who knows whats next. Breaking the sound barrier with a model jet? That I would love to be in on. You guys are so smart I'm surprized we haven't got a lawnmower to fly. I read most of the replies Ive gotten over the months and learn from my own short commings.That's how it's done. Say something stupid and I learn. Get *****ed at and learn. I thank you all.... ISIS

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Sorry to break this news to you, but we were thinking before you shared your "enlightened" vision with us. Other than providing an example of how NOT to talk to beginners, I can't see that you have provided any new information. If your drill sergeant approach works with some, more power to you. The lead instructor at our club flew (and instructed I believe) fighters in the airforce. If anyone COULD have an approach like yours, it would be him. He's got the experience to justify it. However, he's not that way at all, thank god. Instead, he's very soft spoken, patient, and helpful. It only takes a couple minutes with him to realize that he knows his stuff and is worth listening to.

Oh, by the way, about your vision of a place to talk about sharing stories, "a crash and burn forum", there is one already. I "THINK" you might want to take another look around.

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DON'T DRINK AND POST!!!!

....I LOVE YOU MAN! ....(hiccup)....

Happy New Year!!

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I LOVE YOU TOO MAN!!!! but you aint getting my budweiser!:D

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Budweiser, yech [:'(] You're doing him a favor keeping it to yourself! :)

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OK, Piper, that's it. I can't stand any more. I grew up in St Louis, and supporting Augie is not only a way of life, it is our solemn duty. Whatever else you may choose to drink is just weasel pee compared with Augie's line of elixirs. Hooray for Michelob, Bud, and Busch.

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Sorry, but Coors is the only way to go..........Augie's brews are a sad second to quality brew ;^)
Hey you guys.......have a Happy New Year and good luck at the field..........trying to get to mine with nothing but rain and snow and heavy winds.

This is not a flame but a joke.............thought I'd better make that perfectly clear due to the start of this thread. You beginners keep on truckin' and I'm telling you after 35 years in RC, I'm still asking questions and still learning and I'm not flying big or jet or heli, but just sport and sport scale. Just have fun with what you're doing...........listen to everything and then make up your mind and follow the person that's helping you until you can make your own decisions..........like the rest of us and you'll do fine and have a lot of fun.

Happy New Year everyone,
Andy

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Wow!

This is my first time on this site, my first post, and this was the first post I read.............after reading the responses, It's nice to see that he seems to be the only "C.F." in the group, otherwise why bother, I don't even get this kind of abuse at work!
Yea, it got me thinking, thinking what a JERK you are! The next time you want to write a personal reflection of yourself, send it to your mother.

I'm glad I have visited the local air field; I know that you’re not the norm, and I have seen your kind before. It doesn’t bother me, but I'm sure it had a negative effect on many other Newbie’s to the hobby and this board.

I'm brand NEW to the hobby, this is something I have always wanted to for the past 44 years, and it has taken my 16 year old son to engage myself in the hobby (good excuse anyway), It's giving us something in common, time to bond and become friends again.

We bought a NexStar trainer, Trust me, all I want to do is take it out and fly (I can imagine how my son feels), we have our first meeting with the local AMA club tomorrow, and we are patient people and will wait for the proper training from an instructor. I'm sure their are impatient people that lay down a wad of cash just to crash then cry about it (You can skip the their post if you don't want to read it)

For the others, Thank You!, It's a good feeling to know other members have the patience’s to HELP the NEWBE learn something new. I look forward to this hobby, and Yes! I have a thousand questions that I haven't thought of yet, but I know if I asked, someone will answer!

Thanks,
-RickWilliams-
Quartz Hill, California-

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You said it all. I quess I did rustle some feathers here. Gentlemen please learn to read and yes it does sound like it is pointed at the new kids on the block. But really come on now a drill instructor? Look fellas I was pointing to the fact that so many pilots are trashing airplanes they're blaming the airplane in stead of themselves. You guys know the ropes the new kid does'nt. It's up to us to give him or her a fair shot at this. Ok enough of this nonsense. I put my foot in my face and got bit. Now. If your new to this you need to know what you are getting into. You need the basics. So with that said and the heck with spelling and punctuation, did'nt know this was a grammar lesson. I was pointing my remarks at the so called experienced pilots that appearently could'nt fly if the plane was on a rope because they forgot the basics. I personnelly get tired of hearing how this plane is crap and this won't fly etc etc. Cause boo hoo i crashed it. Hay that's the breaks guys. but to learn I read the user reiews and learn. The discision is still there for me, but the new be just lost that choice because he does'nt know. They need to know that he can still make a fair choice and come out successfull. The name of the game. Right or wrong. A drill instructor ah? saved a lot of hartache when the job is done right. Not going there. So with foot still firmly implanted in mouth i bid you all a joyous and very HAPPY NEW YEAR. Keep flying and have a blast.

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Waesel Pee you say [X(] Never...HAW you all play with beer I'll take my Crown Royal and Crown Royal Special Select anytime HCCUP [&:]

Just joking around gents, Have a Great New Years holiday

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Hello Mr rick. Believe me I love the look in the eyes of first timer flying. and really I'm just a big bear. I was'nt intending to steer anyone away from flying or scare or upset anyone, and god knows I'm not joe genius here. I got people to think. That's a good thing.Never hurt anybody some people need a swift kick to look at themselves instead of sheading the blame. 44 years is a long time, I never have lost the feeling and excitment of watching and flying. The amazment in a youngsters eyes. So cool. You take care Happy flying.

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Isis,

please remember this is a beginners forum here. I've been lurking in the beginners forums for quite some time and I have noticed several things.

1. Almost everyone in here that is experienced are instructors or have been instructors and also have been in this hobby for years and are passing on very valuable info already
2. Most of the new people that come in here are willing to listen and learn but have a very strong desire to take their new baby up by themselves. Those that do not wait usually come back here and ask what happened and in most cases, not all, will start to really listen.
3. Some people just will not listen no matter what and will try to reword stuff to get the answer they are looking for.

When I read your first post I was actually upset that someone could possibly be that cold toward someone wanting to learn. Yes, there are cold hard facts about this hobby and the more expereienced persons that lurk in the beginners forum to try to help people will explain them to the new person. No one likes to hear the "bad" but everyone knows it existsIt's how the facts are presented is what makes the difference

A new pilots confidence is very fragile, actually let me reword that statement. Most new pilots confidence is fragile. If someone comes in here asking tons of questions on a daily basis that may sound "stupid" then so be it. That person is learning and willing to listen to what everyone thinks on what he is asking them making his decision based on several factors. The new person that beleives he can be a great pilot right from the first time he picks up the TX usually finds out pretty quickly that it's not as easy as it looks but has already planted the plane 6 inches into the ground. Some come back in here and admit the messed up and are now willing to do it right, others keep trying it destroying planes and yet others just give up. We see it all the time in here. Especially right after Christmas because everyone went out and bought the neatest, coolest plane they could afford and then come in here only to find out that it's not gonna fly well for them, it's not a good idea to try to train on it, etc. I feel for these people and would rather not have to tell them something like that but I am not about to tell them that the 500 dollars they just spent on a nice looking Warbird will be just fine, never gonna happen, but I will explain in a nice way why it's not a good trainer aircraft.

Also, no one wants to have to go to the field with a trainer, we see that here all the time also. What these people do not know when they say this is that most everyone of us started out on some sort of trainer and that once they take control for the first time, it's not gonna matter because that plane will seem like the fastest plane in the air at the time. Then we tell them that once they are on their second or 3rd plane to go back and fly a trainer and then they will soon see that it was really slow. Most people then realize that they did it correctly, and even though they may have been a crash or two, now it's time to break out the cool looking Mustang and give it a go

Now there will always be people who blame something else for there mistakes, it's a fact of life. These are the ones that constantly complain about radio hits, bad engines, bad electronics, etc... Then when you get down to the forensics of the crash, it's easy to see that a bad case of dumb thumbs, improper tuning, improper installation of the electronics, not the right glue, not the correct wood, and so many other things that were actually the cause.

Now take your foot out of your mouth, it's probably tasting pretty bad by now and go have a good new year holiday