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Your right that thread is probably not going anywhere because of an abundance of smart comments but there were some useful comments and I got what I needed out of the post so thanks. And I don't think im better than everyone else Im just confident in my abilities. To say I can't fly a plane is saying your all better than me................

And to SCAR I notice your from peoria illinois! Well Im from metamora! Where do you Fly? Maybe there are some good clubs somewhere around here. (I know my thing says im from kentucky but I dont know what thats all about.

AGExpert: If I had the cash for all that stuff I would most definatly bring a camera to proof you wrong. Who taught the wright brothers to fly?

REDFOX:Once I will most likely go with one of these trainer packs the alpha 40 since it seems to be cheap or possibly the p51 since it looks to be a real nice plane. But I would be sure to post back and let you know what happens. Maybe those other people were succesful and felt no obligation to your comments.


1.I figure the plane will come with directions, I have previously assembled model cars and an RC car from nothing

2.Make sure all the plane parts are secure(landing gear etc.) Check the radio from the maximum distance you will be flying. For example have a buddy stand with the plane at the take of site and make sure it responds to all controls while im at the end of the field.

3.I actually saw this performed on that diy channel a while back but cant remember exactly. I think it was make sure you turn the radio off. I figured there would be instructions with the glow plug or whatever you call it.

4.No clue, definatly need help with that one.

5.Well if this is the same type of stall as with real airplanes you just make sure your not taking off at to high of an angle, if you do stall DO NOT pull back on the stick but do lower the nose.

6 and 7.Dont know what a pattern is but id figure its your starting point and the path you plan to fly. Keeping a consistant altitude is all about your elevator controls in relation to throttle

8.A loop? Is this a big circle turn I dont know if it is its just a matter of using your ailierons.

9.Spin? My guess would be to kill the throttle and bank hard while maintaing elevation controls. Sounds difficult.

10.I explained stalls previously but if you mean engine failure I guess I would try to glide down and land hopefully being close to a runway. If you mean taking to steep of an angle you could just do a full flip backwards or forwards depending on the situation

11.Make sure your gear are down! Line up with the runway, Lower throttle and lower altitude. Might want to kill the engine just before touchdown.

12.Not Sure

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you know i think he can fly one, make sure you buy the most expensive one you can afford. put a .91 O.S. 4 stroke on it, also get the top of the line futaba and all the field equipment. just let me know when you put whats left on ebaay so i can get a good deal on some new stuff

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Cheapest Airplane - Polk Hobbies Dorothy II

http://216.86.38.243/POLKS/itemdesc.asp?CartId={9AA4C151-E39F-42EVERESTF8-8504-C7BA2B737C77}&ic=PLK10045&eq=&Tp=

Cheapest Engine - Super Tigre GS-40

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFV69&P=0

Cheapest 4-channel radio system - Hitec Laser 4 w/ flight pack

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXANT6**&P=0

This will give you a high quality airframe, motor, and radio system for around $218 plus S&H

You will need to add a propeller, spinner, glow fuel, and glow starter to be ready to fly. This would be a nice, high quality r/c setup for very little investment. You would save yourself a bit of construction time if you spent a little extra and got the Tower Hobbies Tower Trainer .40 MkII RTF package:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXCXF4**&P=0

Only you know whether time is more valuable than money to you, so only you will know which is the better option. Good luck.

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That's not what we said. Most people learn with the help of an instructor. Many try without an instructor, but fail. Only a few who try to learn without an instructor actually make it to the point of really flying, and most who try go through several cycles of fly, crash, rebuild. We see this pattern over and over and over. We get regular reports from people who say they tried on their own and after crashing several times, finally got their own instructor, and wished they had done so sooner.

So, coming in here and saying you don't need an instructor, and continuing to maintain that position even after you've heard otherwise, is essentially saying you think you are better than the rest of the people in this forum. Perhaps you can learn by yourself. However, history has shown that most who try, fail. The ones who do make it on their own end up spending more time and $ than if they did it with help.

Instruction is about more than getting the plane up in the air in one piece. It's also about learning safe and proper operation and maintenance of your equipment. It's about learning field procedures and good flight. Sure you can read about some of this stuff, and doing so will definitely shorten the learning curve, but without having someone there to provide feedback, it's really easy to make mistakes. Some of these mistakes will be no big deal. Some may result in the loss of your plane. Some may be painful, but not life threatening, while others very well could be life threatening.

To wrap things up, instruction has many benefits and since it's free in most clubs, it's hard to understand why one would not want to lose their ego long enough to take advantage of it. The AMA club locator is a good tool for finding local clubs: http://www.modelaircraft.org/clubsearch.aspx

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Do some research, and you'll find out the Wright Brothers obtained experienced help and learned to fly a glider before ever attempting powered flight. Further, their first powered flight only lasted 12 seconds.

I wish you good luck, but I expect you'll be spending more time repairing than flying for a while.

Brad

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zcradic - several very experienced modelers and instructors have given you very good advice. Unfortunately there have also been some negative comments. However, if you have no intention to follow any of the advice given why have you requested it?

I do note that you requested the "cheapest" route and this is through at least a minimum amount of instruction. It also happens to be the "best" route. If you don't choose to follow the sage advice of our forum members that is up to you.

BTW, I am also one of the unqualified people you probably won't listen to who has been flying RC since the 70's, @2000 hrs full scale including aerobatic competition and planes from 1 seat thru 50 pax seat turoprops.

Good Luck, you're going to need it.

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One more note -

Building R/C cars and trucks has almost no carry-over to building planes, this I can vouch for. Other than very basic electronics and motor knowledge, planes are a whole new ballgame!!

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One area where cars, or boats, could help is if you happen to learn them with a stick radio, which I did, you will have less trouble learning to move the stick the correct way when the plane is coming toward you.

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You did ask for cost savings. It potentially will cost you much more to go it alone.
That said, you have some good choices in the Alpha 40 and that P51 (is that the Hanger 9 PTS ?) if so it comes with a simulator. Not the best from what I have heard but will definitely help.
If your choice of planes does not come with a simulator I would strongly suggest using one (alot cheaper to crash a plane on the computer than the real thing) You should develop a feel for flying (at least trainers to start) in fairly short time with enough practice.
A SIM on the cheap would be about $12 or so for a USB interface cable to hook your real controller to your computer (make sure you take your crystal out when it is plugged into your computer) and a Free download of FMS flight simulator.
Didn't one of the Wright brothers die in a plane crash?

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I wasn't trying to be a smart *****. I mean it. If you think you can fly anything...you will fail. Once you realize that you need some help, you are on your way to success. Sadly, we all know where this is going. If you must skip the video...do bring a trash bag.

Get some help as I suggested in the post you responded to here. A lot can be learned by reading all 4 of your posts and I stand by mine. You are not the first one who ever came here to say how great they WILL be as an RC flyer, how easy it WILL be for them to learn or shoot a brief narrative about how they WOULD perform some basic maneuvers. You have demonstrated what can only be described, at best, as cursory and introductory knowledge of the subject. That is just further evidence that an instructor's help is needed here.

I am sorry you were offended by the 'smart' comments offered by myself and others. I apologize for sounding blunt and honest, but I do not intend to refrain from such behavior in the future. It is quite apparent that you will not heed the ADVICE YOU SOUGHT here, unless, of course, that advice is commensurate with what you had already intend to do.

Try not to be so thin-skinned. This hobby will make grown men want to cry occasionally. If you can't handle honest opinions, you will not last long.

Right now you are a student without an instructor. Get one.

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I don't know but that's a risk my test pilot (my cat) is going to have to take.

bigedmustafa gives me exactly what im looking for. Im going to check into that website and ebay and see what I can come up with. The radio he suggest though (Hitec Laser 4), that can be hooked up with a usb cable and is compatible with the flight sims?

And that is the hanger 9 pts im still very interested in. Is that mustang more capable than some of the other trainers available, I mean once you take the training devices off?

I don't really have a cat, I have a boxer and im not sure if the plane will be able to get off the ground with him on it

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Yes you can get a USB chord for a Hitech laser 4. it plugs into the buddy box trainer port.(make sure to get the right chord for your radio, check with your local hobby shop)
The H9 P51 will be more aerobatic than a standard trainer with everything removed ect... BUT some say it is a bit harder to handle than a standard trainer.(even when set up for beginners) That is a matter of opinion and I have not flown one myself. I am basing my coments on what I have read here or there.
If/when Hanger 9 releases a P51 PTS ARF I will be the first in line.

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The Hitec Laser 4 radio system can be hooked up with a usb cable to fly flight sims. It can also be connected to a buddy box.

If you're interested in a more "capable" (more aerobatic?) trainer, the Mustang PTS and the Arrow .40 by Hangar 9 are excellent choices. So is the Avistar trainer by Hobbico. These planes offer semisymmetrical airfoils on the wings instead of a flat-bottomed wing. Flat bottomed wings are very stable, but they can't fly inverted very well.

Another inexpensive airframe that you might consider is the World Models Sky Raider Mach I:

http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...p?ProductID=15

This inexpensive high-wing plane should be very capable of performing loops, rolls, Cuban eights, Split S turns, hammerheads, and the rest of the Sportsman level pattern manuvers for aerobatics. At $69, it's a great value.

Edit:

For a more aerobatic aircraft, you might want to consider spending a few extra dollars and going with a Super Tigre .45 ABC motor or a Kangke USA SK .50 motor:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFV71&P=0

http://www.kangkeusa.com/Engines/images/SK50-1.jpg

The extra power will come in handy once you move past basic training and begin performing entry level aerobatics.

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Sorry but I had every intention of being a smart *****. If every person was as confident in their abilities as you claim to be, then what would be the point of higher education or professional training? You want to skip the learning process and go right to the top. By this you will more than likely cause your self harm but more importantly cause damage or harm to somebody else.

Many of us here have seen people over and over and over again say the heck with the learning process. ""I can fly anything?" Thats pretty arrogant considering the company your in here. As much as I'd like to help and i do around here, with your attitude, I'd be wasting my time.

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I can just see our hero zcradic Maverick with his s**t-eating grin when Tom Skerrit asked him that. Cyclic, was that comment an intentional "Top Gun" reference?


One question, zcradic.................how old are you? You sound kind of like my 6 year old nephew did when he said he could ride a skateboard without help and then promply broke his arm on it.

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You bet!


Here ya go! "Son, your ego is writing checks your planes can't cash.":eek:

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Here's another one that applies---

Iceman, to Maverick...."You're Dangerous!"

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Since the theme of this forum is "Beginners", not "Famous movie lines", let's get this thread back on track. By now it should be obvious to all that instruction is highly recommended. We've done what we can, each in our own way. At this point, only the OP can decide whether to listen to these recommendations or not.

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Lets "Git r done" I mean "shudder dowwwn.":D

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just take your shiny new plane and let your boxer eat it.i have a boxer and they love toys.dog has fun,you save money on doggie toys and everybodys safe and happy.

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Come on now!!! He says he can do it so let's let him do it. It can be done. I did it. And yes I did crash my alpha about three weeks ago trying to test my limits with wind. It tip stalled in a 35 mph wind. Other than that I would be still flying it. I have since moved on to an ugly stick with much success. So, to sum up, it can be done. It happens quite often from what I hear from the guys behind the counter at the LHS. Sure he probably will crash and in the end it wont be the cheapest route but it can be done.

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And if he is spupid enough to try to put a live animal in the plane the ASPCA will lock him up. See, there is a bright side to this story. :)

We need a poll. Idiot or troll ?? Or just arrogant?

The best pilots in the world don't claim to be able to fly "anything" without instruction/familiarization. At least none of the living ones. [:@]

I'm done with this one.

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Troll.

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I think everyone has had a chance to say what is on their minds in the two threads on this issue. Everyone can see that it is headed nowhere and the final result is rather obvious. I don't think there is any need in continuing the discussion with nothing being accomplished.