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In need of your opinions.
Hello it is now time i start looking at a second plane. Id like to upgrade everything and leave my trainer in rtf flying condition. So i started looking around and diciede i was ging to only be buying my stuff once so il go for some of the nicer stuff now so i dont have to re upgrade in 3 years.
Now the plane, i was thinking about the supersportster what do you think about the giant version : http://www.greatplanes.com/airplanes/gpma1044.html Now the motor i think im going to stay in glow i dont want to get into gas for another couple years (il pay the extra cost of fuel for now): http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=SAIE220A Buy now you have probably arealized that im not going to fly this set up with a standered 4 ch remote so what does this look like:http: //www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRP9241** Now to the servos im going to use digital servos the only thing im worryed about is that im not sure they will have enough torqu with the bigger motor the minium is 50oz and the ervos only give me 54 oz what do you think??:http: //www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPS811 I know this is going to cost me a small furtane but i dont want to rebuy all this stuff i also figure that with the mtor il have unlimited vertical so it will be my seconde and third plane (once those high rates go on i think it will be razy arobatic) Please everyone leave me your opnion do you think the servose will die on me? is that size motor simply stupid? Well i dont know that why i need YOUR help |
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i think the giant sportster is fine for you. its big very stable and lands better than a trainer. go for it you'll love it
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if it was me i might go back and re-consider the plane. great planes recommends the giant super sportster for the "expert" level.
i know i'm going to take a reaming for this BUT listen to my reasoning, i know that different people progress at different levels so IF YOU feel comfortable, then go for it. IF YOU want to put around $300 in a plane, then $500 in a motor, and then $??? for radio and flight pack then go ahead. servos, radio, battery, and maybe a few other things will interchange with different planes. BUT should you have an "incident" the $500 motor (which, maybe, survives the incident) won't interchange to another plane that easily. sure it'll go on another plane of relatively the same size but then you're out another $300 for another plane. i've only been flying around 1 1/2 years and i recently purchased my first giant scale plane, it's going to be a long term project though, and i'm not planning on it flying for at least another year. if i was you i would look at staying in the .40 to .60 size planes, at least for a couple more planes. here's why, for around $1000 (what you're looking at to get the gp susper sportster in the air) i can have around 3 maybe 4 .40 or .60 size planes going. i understand what you're saying about not having to upgrade in 2 or 3 years but then, i look at that as part of the hobby. finally..........i know you didn't ask for a sermon so i'll say this, the setup you've outlined looks fine, maybe a bit much on the motor but then.....if it's what you want....as for the servos, i would look at going with something with a bit more muscle. better to have too much than not enough in this department. not as for everyone else..........let the "reaming" begin LOL:) |
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ORIGINAL: parrthd if it was me i might go back and re-consider the plane. great planes recommends the giant super sportster for the "expert" level. i know i'm going to take a reaming for this BUT listen to my reasoning, i know that different people progress at different levels so IF YOU feel comfortable, then go for it. IF YOU want to put around $300 in a plane, then $500 in a motor, and then $??? for radio and flight pack then go ahead. servos, radio, battery, and maybe a few other things will interchange with different planes. BUT should you have an "incident" the $500 motor (which, maybe, survives the incident) won't interchange to another plane that easily. sure it'll go on another plane of relatively the same size but then you're out another $300 for another plane. i've only been flying around 1 1/2 years and i recently purchased my first giant scale plane, it's going to be a long term project though, and i'm not planning on it flying for at least another year. if i was you i would look at staying in the .40 to .60 size planes, at least for a couple more planes. here's why, for around $1000 (what you're looking at to get the gp susper sportster in the air) i can have around 3 maybe 4 .40 or .60 size planes going. i understand what you're saying about not having to upgrade in 2 or 3 years but then, i look at that as part of the hobby. finally..........i know you didn't ask for a sermon so i'll say this, the setup you've outlined looks fine, maybe a bit much on the motor but then.....if it's what you want....as for the servos, i would look at going with something with a bit more muscle. better to have too much than not enough in this department. not as for everyone else..........let the "reaming" begin LOL:) |
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I agree with the one post about building up more gradually on the plane. A typical 40 size plane, with a 70 class four stroke, puts around $500 (some less, some more) in the air. The giant SS will at least double that. Everyone has different limits but I’d be so afraid of crashing that I could not enjoy the big plane.
As for radio, definitely go for the one you want. The 9303 you listed should cover all of your needs for a long time. The servos that come with it will work for the majority of 40 and 60 size planes. |
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Flying model aircraft is just like gambling - you have to decide how much you are willing to lose. If you don't care about losing $1000.00 then go for the bigger plane, but if you don't want to gamble with that much money then go for the less expensive route. IMHO you should stay with the smaller planes and get some more experience as you will, as a general rule of thumb, crash at least one of your first three planes.
Also don't sell your self short on the equipment. At this point in the hobby your better off investing the money in a better radio and good engine that can be transferred from one plane to another than a larger plane. Learn how to use that equipment, increase your skills and then move on to the larger planes. You'll be further ahead in the long run. So, in the end, how much are you willing to lose gambling in one shot? And do you want a big plane with marginal equipment now, or top end equipment and a smaller plane for now, and top end equipment and a couple of larger planes in the future? Hogflyer |
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revized set up:
http://towerhobbies.com/products/gre.../gpma1042.html http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXXA42&P=0 http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...odID=JRP9241** Do you think this would be a better set up? the remote i want to keep and i think the over power is a good idea as il be able to grow with the? I think the .70 well also be alot less expensive on fuel then a 2.2 what do you think of this set up ? am i missing anything to have a flying plane? |
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Just because items are more expensive does not mean they wont break. I have been at this 10 years and still do not own a digital servo. No need for it and I have some nice planes. Money may or may not be an issue with you but right now, your wasting it
If you have basic good flying skills, your not going to be able to tell the performance difference between a regular servo and a digital when it's in the air so why spend the money. What kind of radio are you using. If youwant to collect things for the long run, make it the support equipment like starters, tachs and stuff. Those things generally last much longer than the average plane:D |
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This kinda goes in the question " How hard is it ? " Well as was said I don't own digital servos and next they're gonna come out w/ better ones just like radios__ more torque__ faster speed etc.... With that said as always, you buy what makes YOU happy. JR radio I like.. The single most problem you gonna have w/ this plane is speed... Looks like a fully symetrical airfoil which means not to much floatability 'cause it's designed to do what it's designed to do. Now if you feel you are ready and can step it up a notch, then go for the gusto. Also as a note, even though I've been in this awhile; I still let an experienced pilot do the maiden do to my shaking hands,knees and nerves and at least one other chx my setups... HTH...Rob
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i agree with the digital servos i dont need them if it would be up to me i wouldnt but digital but after crunching the numbers its cheaper if i get the 4 servos with the tx as a kit and they just happen to be digital they cant hurt can they i mean the only thing i could possibly see as a down side would be the power they drain. Now What did you think of the remote do i really need 9 channels? i want a readio that will last for years and will do anyhting that i ever ask it to do i definitly want it to be digital. Any suggestions?
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Get the radio, all the mixing capabilities will carry you a long ways and as said the pkg deal is always cheaper. Also I'm gonna jump off here for a min. and chx the servo req. for the Big S.S. Back in a min... Rob
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Okay I'm back... AS A MINIMUM you need 50 oz servos on the Big S.S... A plane this size I like to use either a simple L X W = total Area on the surfaces and get as close as I can__ usually I go over. Also this depends on your style of Flying___ which is another question I ask myself when I thinking about a certain plane__ usually Slow and Easy___ Lately Fast and Hard___ But when I set up the Planes, I kinda figured I might wanna cut loose sometimes so henceforth__ Forward Thinking just like you. Lately though I find myself flying the l'il ones 'cause I'm too lazy too drag out the Big Ones___ Somthing to think about....HTH....Rob
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I bought the 8UAFS about 6 years ago. Stuck a 8 plane campac in it for a total of 16 plane capability. I won't need another transmitter for a very long time unless mine burns up or gets run over.
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The servos are definately wrong. Digitals are a waste unless you are getting sponsored to fly precision aerobatics. Since you mentioned this is your second plane let me offer you a different stepping stone into giant scale.
http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...p?ProductID=43 I fly one of these. It is very aerobatic and very light (9.5 lbs as oposed to your 13.5 lbs) I fly mine with a Saito .91 and a 14x6 prop. If you stuffed a 1.10 - 1.20 in it and got a 15x6 to 16x4 you would have you unlimited virtical. I fly this plane with standard servos and it does nice knife edge passes, snap rolls, inverted spins, etc. It has a semi-semetrical wing insted of the fully semetrical your choice has and it floats in without tip stalling. I have it set up with the CG a little aft. It floats so well in fact I programed spoilerons to help push it down for landings. This plane has NO bad habits. If your stuck on the digital servos go ahead and upgrade to a 6v 2000 mah'ish receiver battery. |
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Just got the 8UAFS about two months ago__ haven't had chance to use it ___ been busy. Y.K.W.I. M. Anyway I didn't know you could use the CAMPAC in it. Is this the same one used w/ the 9C...Rob
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new since jan 06. have a great planes giant with 4" du-bro wheels with 18" prop. on the g-38 which i just started to fly. prop and muffler don't have much ground clearance so i ordered from tower the 51/2 non -treaded scale du-bro wheels not so much for looks, but some more clearance the question being is this going to change anything on take-ofs and landings i am not looking for more challenges at this time. would like some thoughts. thanks larry
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I really don't know but possible. Funny though, I built a couple planes for a buddy who has the 9c but lost the manual. Didn't even need it. The 9C is much more user friendly and having the 8U helped. I recall getting my campac off the internet somewhere from some guy in england but that was a long time ago. I think they are more readily available now?
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So Larry, what are you saying the L/G is too short___ Dang if this is so__ THIS brings up a whole new set of problems__ Good thing we got RCU!!!!!! Rob
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Roger that, I would like to use the 9C CAMPAC if it is compatible w/ the 8U....Rob
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Tell you what, lets go sniff around in the TX forum
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Okay, you start a post and let's see what we get....Rob
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I went to the futaba webpage and typed in Campac. I scrolled down the list of 9c stuff and came across a FAQ How does the 8U compare to the 9c. In that it said they were the same but only held 6 planes in the 9c instead of 8. Check it out
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Roger that, I started one in Futaba MFG section. Also a guy is advertising a 256K for the 9C and the 8U in the MarketPlace. Library Closing__ Gotta go ___ See Ya....Rob
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ORIGINAL: Mr67Stang The servos are definately wrong. Digitals are a waste unless you are getting sponsored to fly precision aerobatics. Since you mentioned this is your second plane let me offer you a different stepping stone into giant scale. http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...p?ProductID=43 I fly one of these. It is very aerobatic and very light (9.5 lbs as oposed to your 13.5 lbs) I fly mine with a Saito .91 and a 14x6 prop. If you stuffed a 1.10 - 1.20 in it and got a 15x6 to 16x4 you would have you unlimited virtical. I fly this plane with standard servos and it does nice knife edge passes, snap rolls, inverted spins, etc. It has a semi-semetrical wing insted of the fully semetrical your choice has and it floats in without tip stalling. I have it set up with the CG a little aft. It floats so well in fact I programed spoilerons to help push it down for landings. This plane has NO bad habits. If your stuck on the digital servos go ahead and upgrade to a 6v 2000 mah'ish receiver battery. Has anyone herd of this compay? airborn modles if so who sturdie are the planes i need somthing that can take a beating on those landins |
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ORIGINAL: Flying freak ORIGINAL: Mr67Stang The servos are definately wrong. Digitals are a waste unless you are getting sponsored to fly precision aerobatics. Since you mentioned this is your second plane let me offer you a different stepping stone into giant scale. http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...p?ProductID=43 I fly one of these. It is very aerobatic and very light (9.5 lbs as oposed to your 13.5 lbs) I fly mine with a Saito .91 and a 14x6 prop. If you stuffed a 1.10 - 1.20 in it and got a 15x6 to 16x4 you would have you unlimited virtical. I fly this plane with standard servos and it does nice knife edge passes, snap rolls, inverted spins, etc. It has a semi-semetrical wing insted of the fully semetrical your choice has and it floats in without tip stalling. I have it set up with the CG a little aft. It floats so well in fact I programed spoilerons to help push it down for landings. This plane has NO bad habits. If your stuck on the digital servos go ahead and upgrade to a 6v 2000 mah'ish receiver battery. Has anyone herd of this compay? airborn modles if so who sturdie are the planes i need somthing that can take a beating on those landins J |
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