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Need your advice please.
With my Christmas money, I plan on buying a new airplane. I plan on buying the ARF version and then adding the electronics i want in later. I already have a crappy swift flyer two channel rc airplane and it sucks. I can fly it and i have flown a 3-channel before once with my uncle. I pan on flying at a huge soccor feild about a mile from my house so the plane cant be too big. There is also a parking lot to land and take of if the plane has wheels.
I have put links below to the planes I am interested in and would like your imput. Also, if none of the planes would be a good choice for me, please recommend one. Remember, I am only 15 so Im not made of money. Please look at the planes below or recommend one. Also, it would be helpfull if you told me why you picked what you did. Thanks a lot!! http://www.hobby-lobby.com/shockflyer-su27xxl.htm http://www.hobby-lobby.com/shockflyer-yak.htm http://www.hobby-lobby.com/firebird-jet.htm I seem to like the jets the most. Are they hard to fly? |
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Until you get more experience, for get about the jets and the 3D type planes.
When you are learning, slow is much better than fast. While the 3D planes are slower than jets they are VERY sensitive to control inputs. I would suggest a high wing trainer type plane. That type of plane will allow you to improve your flying skills and eye/hand co-ordination. At best, a jet or 3D would be a 4th plane (MAYBE a 3rd if you are an exceptional flyer ). |
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none of those or you will be spending a lot of money on new planes, try searching towerhobbies.com for trainers or look at buying a simulator. you could buy a plane or 2 for that much but i'm 16 and not made of money too but i have gained lots of expeirience from it and it costs just under $300 and the g3 comes with a controller that plugs in to your computer and some even have 3d planes.
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Something this page would be better suited to a beginning pilot
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/beginners-rc.htm "Why" I think these are more suited to a beginner: Most fly fairly slow and are designed to be stable in the air. Jet designs are typically fast and somewhat unstable. Aerobats and 3D planes are too "twitchy" to stick movements. The Mini-Telemaster caught my eye on this page. Telemasters are well knbown as good trainer planes. The mini looks like it follows the tradition of its big brother. This is a full kit build rather than an ARF. Getting an ARF would get you going sooner and would lessen the emotional impact when it crashes. It will crash at some point. Even expert pilots crash occasionally. |
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If you dont have money...stay away from Hobby-Lobby all together.. they lure you in with cool products no one else has and nickel and dime you for everything..Imex (DMZ) I think it is has a cub-ish trainer RTF (Ready To Fly)..brushless,li-po,charger, tx, for $219 if electrics is the way you want to go..and many do..I started out going with GWS planes ,but thats me...even if you fly at the ball field, try to find help...$200-$500 it doesnt matter without help many planes only last 10 seconds in the air..Rog
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But hobby lobby says a beginner can fly those prop jets. They are only 3-channels and i can fly a three channel. What is so hard to fly about the prop jets??
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ok jets have an airfrom that is not very stable ie it will not come to "wings leval" if you leave it alone in lets say a 20 degree bank a trainer will go to wings leval and is very stable you can make all kinda of mistakes with trairs and they forgiving now a jet will keep the 20 degree untill you tell him you want him to lvl (opppoosit imput requird) this increases poilit work load now your not thinking about were you sould be going but more the "how the hell do i keep this in the sky" you mannick and it comes down like a rock and you just lost 300$
Also jets generat less drag so the same package will move considrably faster there is also wing load what is the wing load the higher the wing load the faster you have too land and jets as a rulle oof thum ALWAYS have a relitivly high wing load there ar emany other reasons but those are the main ones i could think of |
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ORIGINAL: CheeseNeggs But hobby lobby says a beginner can fly those prop jets. They are only 3-channels and i can fly a three channel. What is so hard to fly about the prop jets?? I highly recommend no matter what you fly, try to find an instructor to get you started and test fly your plane for you. Hogflyer |
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ORIGINAL: hogflyer I highly recommend no matter what you fly, try to find an instructor to get you started and test fly your plane for you. Hogflyer Now that right there is the best adivece any of us can give you. If you dont know of a local club please click on this link but in all the info and it will find clubs in your area then PLEASE go vist them and talk to some members http://www.ama-dist-8.org/Clubs/Locator.php |
RE: Need your advice please.
ORIGINAL: CheeseNeggs With my Christmas money, I plan on buying a new airplane. I plan on buying the ARF version and then adding the electronics i want in later. I already have a crappy swift flyer two channel rc airplane and it sucks. I can fly it and i have flown a 3-channel before once with my uncle. I pan on flying at a huge soccor feild about a mile from my house so the plane cant be too big. There is also a parking lot to land and take of if the plane has wheels. I have put links below to the planes I am interested in and would like your imput. Also, if none of the planes would be a good choice for me, please recommend one. Remember, I am only 15 so Im not made of money. Please look at the planes below or recommend one. Also, it would be helpfull if you told me why you picked what you did. Thanks a lot!! http://www.hobby-lobby.com/shockflyer-su27xxl.htm http://www.hobby-lobby.com/shockflyer-yak.htm http://www.hobby-lobby.com/firebird-jet.htm I seem to like the jets the most. Are they hard to fly? http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc_planes_h..._super_cub.htm NorfolkSouthern |
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ORIGINAL: NorfolkSouthern ORIGINAL: CheeseNeggs With my Christmas money, I plan on buying a new airplane. I plan on buying the ARF version and then adding the electronics i want in later. I already have a crappy swift flyer two channel rc airplane and it sucks. I can fly it and i have flown a 3-channel before once with my uncle. I pan on flying at a huge soccor feild about a mile from my house so the plane cant be too big. There is also a parking lot to land and take of if the plane has wheels. I have put links below to the planes I am interested in and would like your imput. Also, if none of the planes would be a good choice for me, please recommend one. Remember, I am only 15 so Im not made of money. Please look at the planes below or recommend one. Also, it would be helpfull if you told me why you picked what you did. Thanks a lot!! http://www.hobby-lobby.com/shockflyer-su27xxl.htm http://www.hobby-lobby.com/shockflyer-yak.htm http://www.hobby-lobby.com/firebird-jet.htm I seem to like the jets the most. Are they hard to fly? http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc_planes_h..._super_cub.htm NorfolkSouthern about the jets again. My uncle has rc airplane software. If i flew on that for a while, would i be able to succesfully fly the jet?? |
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CheeseNeggs,
It sounds as if your mind is made up. You asked for advise, and are questioning the advise that these experienced flyers are giving you. If you want to spend your money on a jet, then have at it. I hope that this is the only model airplane that you will ever destroy. (something tells me that it won't be) Be prepared to pick up the pieces. Take a large plastic trash bag to the flying field with you. It's considered bad manners to leave that much trash and junk scattered and lying about. When experienced modellers tell you that you need to buy a trainer, and seek the help from a qualified instructor, then you might wish to listen. That advise is free. Wadding up a model airplane is not. Trust me, you will destroy this model, and probably any of the 3-D models that you listed. You need to master the basics of a full function model airplane before you try advanced models or aerobatics. If you won't follow the advise of those who cared enough to answer your post, then do what you wish. It goes with being 15 years old. You will understand that in about 20 or so years. Best of luck to you. (look for a well paying job, I think you are going to need one) Bill, AMa 4720 WACO Brotherhood #1 |
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The jet and 3Ds you were looking at are of Styrofoam construction, and they're light. So you would probably be able to fly it, and it could probably withstand crashes without too much repair as long as you correct before it goes in (I guess some folks fix them with glue and tape). They don't fly as smoothly or gracefully as the HobbyZone Cub either, they fly more like a paper airplane (I've seen them). I would spring for the Super Cub, then save the $100.00 for accessories, or even a second park flyer (an even better one) later. Besides, the Cub just looks better!
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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder CheeseNeggs, It sounds as if your mind is made up. You asked for advise, and are questioning the advise that these experienced flyers are giving you. If you want to spend your money on a jet, then have at it. I hope that this is the only model airplane that you will ever destroy. (something tells me that it won't be) Be prepared to pick up the pieces. Take a large plastic trash bag to the flying field with you. It's considered bad manners to leave that much trash and junk scattered and lying about. When experienced modellers tell you that you need to buy a trainer, and seek the help from a qualified instructor, then you might wish to listen. That advise is free. Wadding up a model airplane is not. Trust me, you will destroy this model, and probably any of the 3-D models that you listed. You need to master the basics of a full function model airplane before you try advanced models or aerobatics. If you won't follow the advise of those who cared enough to answer your post, then do what you wish. It goes with being 15 years old. You will understand that in about 20 or so years. Best of luck to you. (look for a well paying job, I think you are going to need one) Bill, AMa 4720 WACO Brotherhood #1 wow, your being a complete *******.(no offence. Im not trying to start a flaming thread) Seriously. Im getting the feeling you think I think that im going to go out and buy a jet and fly it as soon as i get it finished. NO. My uncle is an experienced rc pilot, and he could help me with learning the basics and i could use his software. From what ive heard, the new- up to date software, Is pretty damn close to the real thing. If I can fly a jet on software, why couldnt i in real life??? If the software is realalistic, then there is no reason i couldnt. Also, this thread is the only one that ive read with people saying they are so hard to fly. MOst people ive heard say they the same difficulty as a regular 3-channel. Just my 2 cents. also, what about the plane i listed above a couple post back. It is a cessna 172. It is supposed to be a good airolon trainer and easy to fly. I am however, a bit intimidated by it being a 4-channel. what do you think??? thanks |
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What about the plane i listed above a couple post back. It is a cessna 172. It is supposed to be a good airolon trainer and easy to fly. I am however, a bit intimidated by it being a 4-channel. what do you think??? thanks NorfolkSouthern |
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I forgot to mention too, that a trainer-type plane with full 4-channel control is especially good for aerial photography and videos. They fly smoother, and are less jerky. Which of course, makes for a better quality production.
NorfolkSouthern |
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ORIGINAL: NorfolkSouthern What about the plane i listed above a couple post back. It is a cessna 172. It is supposed to be a good airolon trainer and easy to fly. I am however, a bit intimidated by it being a 4-channel. what do you think??? thanks NorfolkSouthern thanks for the great responce. I live in an area with many, many, big grassy areas perfect for flying. I have a baseball/ soccor feild about a 2 minute walk from my house that is absolutly huge. There are also guys that live around me that fly in a big nearby school parking lot. Question: how much harder is a 4-channel than a 3? If i can fly a 3-channel, would i be able to fly a 4-channel with a little help from a software? |
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If you can fly a 3-channel, then you can fly a 4-channel too. The only difference with a 4-channel, is that give a little right stick in the direction you want until the plane banks as far as you want, then release it and give it some up elevator. Try it on a simulator if you want, it'll give you a better idea of my discription. With a 3-channel, you give it right stick until it's turned as far as you want it to turn. Realease the right stick, and it'll level its self and fly straight.
Also, have you considered a glow-powered machine? I know that everybody's into electric these days, and that's what I was going to start with. But the electrics cost as much, maybe more, to set up as a .40 trainer, so I opted for glow instead. Needless to say, I was not disappointed. The sound of that engine just adds to the flying experience! Also, a glow-powered machine can be just as quiet as most electrics, as long as you use the muffler. Let us know what you get! NorfolkSouthern |
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ORIGINAL: NorfolkSouthern If you can fly a 3-channel, then you can fly a 4-channel too. The only difference with a 4-channel, is that give a little right stick in the direction you want until the plane banks as far as you want, then release it and give it some up elevator. Try it on a simulator if you want, it'll give you a better idea of my discription. With a 3-channel, you give it right stick until it's turned as far as you want it to turn. Realease the right stick, and it'll level its self and fly straight. Also, have you considered a glow-powered machine? I know that everybody's into electric these days, and that's what I was going to start with. But the electrics cost as much, maybe more, to set up as a .40 trainer, so I opted for glow instead. Needless to say, I was not disappointed. The sound of that engine just adds to the flying experience! Also, a glow-powered machine can be just as quiet as most electrics, as long as you use the muffler. Let us know what you get! NorfolkSouthern im really not into glow powered. My uncles planes are glow powered and I prefer electric. Also, for a jet, brushless is the way to go. thanks , though! |
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Well, if park flyers are your thing, then that's OK. As for the jet and brushless, it seems as though that's your preference. Since that appears to be the case, perhaps one of those flat foamies are what you're looking for. I would not invest in a full-build R/C jet in your case, since you will likely go through at least a couple airframes before you master the art, so to speak. With all that said, it is best to stick with 3-channel and park flyers, and those flat foamies seem to make the most sense. Should you get bored, you may look into something better but who knows. But for now, I have a hunch that this hobby's not going to be a life-long persuit for you. For obvious reasons, a car comes next, as I'm sure you would agree!
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And the moral of the story is this, folks: We all live in a Wii culture, where convenience and instant gratification will often rule out the challenge of a hobby. And many of us, especially younger adults and teens, get our fix by bringing the video console to real life, which is much of what electric park flying ARFs have to offer.
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for park flying i love my slow stick fun and cheap
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CheeseNeggs,
I just read your question and all the responses made by experienced pilots (many of whom post in my thread and have given me good advise) and I have a couple of questions and a few comments. 1) Have you joined the AMA? If not, I think they have a program going on now that gives new members a buddy box cable system (haven't checked the website, but someone in here probably knows if they do) If so, it would be great so that your uncle can help you fly without crashing your plane to get you started. 2) Is there a local club nearby? At this time of year, many people get a new trainer and radio at Christmas, try it once, hate it (I don't understand why) and want to sell the new plane and equipment...you could pick one up cheap...happens every year down here. About the simulator software (I have G3) it's great to practice on and it will increase your learning curve dramatically, but no matter what, it's not the same as real conditions. Also, I would still encourage you to go glow. Having been lucky enough to have flown such a variety of planes in my short time...glo, gas, turbine, and electric. There is a feel that you get on the sticks...They just feel more real (hard to explain) that glo/gas/turbine have which is different from electric. Word of caution. If you get a "pusher" plane, be very careful on hand launches...we've had some experienced pilots get "eaten" by them. And electrics do give the nastiest injuries!! Good luck in your new hobby, and hey, hit up your Uncle for a plane for Christmas:D Bev |
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Bill, Good advice, bad requester..... He'll crash and crash and blame it on the planes or somebody else...a shame........
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Cheese, man no one is picking on you...If your uncle agrees with you that he will teach you to fly on one of your choices than thats up to you guys......but really if you look around,,, $60 is really high for a flat foamie that is gonna be pretty delicate..And I will get blasted for this myself but a sim is a waste of time for real time flight..sure theyre fun but wont help in the real world situations..if you dont like glow thats fine...just understand that there are waaaay better planes for you to start with with better prices..you can always get the Imex plane I spoke of ($219 RTF 4 channel Tx)and then put the radio/motor/gear in a flattie for like $30 when you get better at flying...these folks are only trying to help...Rog
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