Pushrods....
 

Hey guys! My hanger 9 p 47 150 apparently did not include one of the elev/rudder pushrods. Being new to planes I am not aware of whether or not they are readily available at most LHS''s. Can someone please tell me?

Thanks. Peter.

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Is it just a wire pushrod? If so, you can just pick up a long piece od 2-46 or 4-40 rod at the hobby shop. There should also be nylon, carbon fiber and other types of rods there.

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A well stocked hobby shop should have pushrod supplies. What kind of pushrod you want to use is another matter.

If it was missing from the box, you might be better calling Hanger9 / Horizon support, they will probably mail you the proper pushrod.

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You are new to planes and you have a P-47 150???

The pushrod is a straight wire with a threaded end. A Good hobby shop should have one.

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Did you check the side of the box to see if they were taped on to the side. That''s how the push rods are sometimes secured to the box and are easy to overlook.
Birman

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Good point

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Yes, I have thrown boxes away only to realise the pushrods were taped to an inside corner I didn''t see.
If you can''t find it and are willing to wait a couple of days Horizon will ship you a replacement free of charge, call the support number in your instruction manual. If you are in a hurry you can get a new one at most hobby shops. (you will need to know what size)

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I missed that, but got that feeling from the question.

Since no one''s said it out right, what experience do you have? If you''re an accomplished heli pilot, your making a bit of a leap, but should be ok if you get some help. If you''re coming from cars, you''re way over your head with that plane, and you should put it aside and get a trainer first.

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P-47 150? Ok. Let us know how the maiden flight goes.

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If you leave the elevator pushrod off of it, it may last longer :D:D

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ow thats harsh!

if your completely new to aeroplanes i strongly suggest you get yourself something smaller (preferably a Trainer or a sport aircraft at least, four star e.t.c) even then, join your local club and get on a buddy lead, put your P-47 away until you have flown the wings off the other models and only then will it stand a good chance of coming home with you in one piece ^^

sorry to be such a drag but it wouldnt be pleasent seeing such a model end up as toothpicks

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Yeah.. that''s sort of what a few of us have implied, but we don''t know what his definition of "new" is... ;) His profile shows two guys next to RC helicopters, so perhaps new to fixed wing.. even so, going right to the top of the list in degree of difficulty doesn't seem to prudent.

Maybe some stick time with someone on a trainer, not necessarily yours, but someone that is willing to help you get accustomed to fixed wing, then perhaps something a tad bit more sedate than the P-47-150??

CGr.

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It would be a shame to see how fast you can turn $800 into splinters.

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Guys, on the other hand, if he is a decent helicopter model pilot, it might not be too bad. I''ve transitioned two of them to fixed wing and both were actually good to go on the first flight. And both understood the value of my staying on the buddy box for awhile as they basically got the feel on landings and takeoffs. And one of them brought out a big Katana as his trainer. And had no problems with it. It''s just about the absolute opposite of a good trainer too.

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On the the hand a decent or accomplished R/C heli pilot would had made tons of trips to the LHS already :D

Let it come in HOT..and if you feel the groud buffing effect....flair it
Don't jerk on the stick if it pops back up. if you do that...it'll just drop.:)

It's easier to flair if the model is flying away from you.

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I''ve also worked with a couple of heli guys trying fixed wing.

The biggest problems they have are with taking off and landing, espeically landing, since it''s rather different from a heli. A Funtana isn''t that bad to land, but a big warbird doesn''t give you much time, and only gives you one chance to get it right (though you can abort the landing, of course). Though I suspect that the warbird in question isn''t that bad (I haven''t flown that one myself). I find I have more time transitioning from forward flight into a landing with my heli than I do when landing my Mossie (a heavy warbird). The heli is a lot easier to land.

On take off, be sure to take your time, warbirds take a while to get up to flying speed. If you try to lift off too soon, the plane will stall. If you see it "wallowing" and rocking the wings, it means you pulled up too soon. Keep the departure flat and fast, no steap climbs on takeoff until you know what the plane is actually able to do. This is a problem heli guys don''t have. (also, keeping the plane going straight as the tail comes up could be exciting, though since most heli guys are fast on the rudder, I don''t expect a problem here, just be ready for the plane to try to pull left on you when the tail lifts).

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Yeah, Rock. You''re right, of couse, and that was my implication. That he may have the experience, then again, for that type of plane.. perhaps a few sessions on something a tad bit more forgiving would help him tremendously.

If it were me, I would certainly err on the side of caution and seek some stick time on something a tad bit more sedate than a warbird, especially something that big.

CGr.

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Hey,
does anyone know where I hook this propane bottle up to get this turbine started?
:D:D:D:D

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Plus he''s probable going to flick on the flaps and try to do Harriers right off the bat
becuase his mind it should be the same as auto rotating.:)

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Hey guys! Thanks for the help.

Yeah everyone pretty much tells me the same thing. Start with a trainer etc....

They told me the same thing with helis, don''t start with a nitro, get used to flying the heli, something small, then you''ll graduate to nitros, Just get the crashes out of your system first. Well, ended up holding a perfect nose in by tank number 2 and inverted by the end of the day. 700+ flights (1.5 years) later with no crashes I decided to move to something a bit less maintenance intensive, Planes seemed the logical choice.

I appreciate your concern for my time and money but I have full confidence in my piloting skills.

Since this bird has duel servos on elev and flaps, I am going to get servo reversing Y harnesses, Sound ok? Also are Ailerons, Elevators, Flaps and gear normally on Y harnesses since they operate in unison? Seems logical to me. I have an airtronics RDS8000 I am rigging up. My LHS opens at 6, was hoping to get in there and get everything I need minus the motor today, Maybe get her in the air this weekend. If theres anything Im missing please let me know. Again, thank you for your words of wisdom.

Thanks again!!! Pete

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Ummmm, Actually no. What I wrote is I''m new to planes. What I didn''t write is, I''m new to planes and my IQ is 75.

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First try your mouth, Plenty of hot air.....

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Well, online, we can''t tell how good you are or aren''t with the heli. I tend to be skeptical of what people say on line to a point.

Anyway, I don''t think you''ll have trouble with the plane in the air, but I do think you''d be wise to get help from an experienced warbird driver to look over the plane before the first flight and to do the first take off and landing with it. If nothing else, watching the first take off and landing will give your brain something to compare to, so you know what it should look like.

Btw, sims are horrible at take off and landing. I''ve not seen a simulator out there that came close to getting it right on take off or landing. Takeoff on the sims is really easy compared to flying a real model. Landings are just different.

If you''re going to crash, I''ll predict you either lift off too soon, or you stall it on final. I say that because those are both areas where your heli experience is no help at all in judging what the plane should be doing and in noticeing any subtle cues the plane might be trying to send you about what it''s doing.

Helis don''t flip over and fall into a spin all by themselves if their angle of attack is too high :D.

Keep your airspeed up, and you''ll be fine. If you do the takeoff, make sure you''re going about twice as fast as you think you need to be going. Let the plane fly itself off the ground. On landing, first get the plane up nice and high, and practice flying slow, see what it does when you get too slow. Then shoot several approaches where you have no intention of actually touching the wheels, just feel out the plane and what it does as it descends and slows, and what it does when you add power and let the airspeed build before climbing out. If you do that, and you take some time to read up on what a proper approach should be like, you have a fighting chance.

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Y harnesses and Reversing Y harnesses are the easiest way to do it and plenty for a plane like that. Some of the super aerobatic planes can benefit from mixing seperate channels but a warbird is a warbird.
In fact I have a reversing Y harness on my Showtime 90s elevator servos and works like a charm.
Flaps can use several methods, reversing servo on one side, reversing Y harness, install one servo backwards, let your radio mix it.
Hope that helps.
I would love to see a picture of that plane when you get her done.

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OK, I''ll try that.
Maybe I should just suck down some nitrous oxide, and come on out to where you are maidening that 1000 dollars worth of airplane.

Seriously, good luck. I wouldn''t want anyone to think I was flaming them, just trying to have a little fun.