looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

Does Avistra have Rubber band wing? can you bolt it down?
I just dont like the look of those rubber bands, if you know a trainer with no rubber band please let me know thanks.

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

You can take the rubber bands off any plane and put on a bolt on wing. Ask your instuctor to help you.

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

you may not like the rubber band wing but they are there on a trainer for a reasom.that reason is to minimize damage when you drp a wing tip or land in a tree.the wing will give a bit and if neccassary pop the rubber bands lose with minimum damage to the wing and fuse.usually when you drag a wing tip with a bolt on wing instead of the nylon bolts breaking the mounts rips out of the fuse side.if this is your first plane stay with the rubber bands till you solo and then replace them if you want.

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

PT- 40 can be built with either option, but I would not recommend it.
It doesnt take much of a ding on the wing tip to really mess up a plane. Rubber bands tend to allow the wing to flex on the fuselage a bit more than bolts durnig those hard landings made with a trainer. There are probably many trainers out there that can be built either way. very easily. I built the two PT-40s that I have with both options. Works either way.

Good Luck and Good Flying!!

My Lt-40
 

I was like most I wanted wing bolts also. But I found out also its best to wait for that second plane too get away from rubber bands. :cool:

I think all new people what the wing bolts.. they do look nice..

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

I built my trainer with wing bolts. If you have an instructor then it shouldn't be a problem. Remeber, the nylon bolts will shear if you hit the wing tip.

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

You could buy the Global RCM Trainer arf it really easy to assemble and it doesn't use rubber bands.

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

If it is a matter of aesthetics, then you have the wrong idea about a trainer. Of course you want your first plane to look good, but that is not the point. It's sole purpose is to teach you how to fly.
If it is a question of functionality, rubber bands beat bolts (even nylon ones) hands down on a trainer. They are a very useful safety feature, and you can still do very wild flying with rubber bands. They perform functionally the same as bolts while you are in the air, they only act differently when you hit the big round ball at the wrong angle <grin>.
If it is a matter of not wanting to mess with the pain in the butt of putting all those rubber bands on, then you are in the wrong hobby!

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

At one time in what some may consider the distant past all designed for RC models not only used banded wings but all so tails and many even had landing gear that would fold backward ninety degrees and held forward with bands.

On top of that the front dowels on both the wings and tails always faced forward to allow the wing and tail to pop off even easier.

You see this was at a time the average radio was only capable of making a rudder bang to the right or bang to the left and only the fancy ships could bang an elevator from neautral up and back. Well I suppose what I am trying to say is possibly without these airplane saving features RC airplanes would never have even survived long enough to evolve into to what we know today.

If your learning to fly stick with the 'Rubber' through the trials and tribulations you will not regret it no matter how good you think you are.


John :)

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WONDERFUL RESPONSES. I THINK I WILL GO WITH A RUBBER BAND WING NOW. THANKS AGAIN

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

The bands are more forgiving but Sigs' Senior ARF has a bolt on wing.

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

Hey Wannafly...
Don't let the rubber bands embarass you, or think it labels you as a newbie in the hobbie. I guarantee you no one will make any snide comments, we've all been there and done that.
Strange thing is, a lot of us still have one or two rubber band jobs in our hangars we take out to teach with, or just to kick back and tool around the pattern with. I have an LT-40 ARF modified to a tail dragger LG, with a Fox .50 2 stroke on it that I have a ball with just loafing around or doing slow speed aerobatics, which with that .50 it does very majestically.
But congratulations Wannafly, you started off right, by asking questions and from your come back, it seems like you will go with the consensus of the answers and fly with rubbers. Smart move, I hope the rest of your learning period goes as well.
Good flying, Gampaw

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

I flew my old falcon 56 trainer the other day with my uncle, and wrecked it twice, both times it hit with the wings at a 90 degree angle, and hit the wing tip, and flipped over two or three times. The only thing wrong w/ it is the servo tray is busted. I'm going to fly it again tonight. My uncle on the other hand flew his plane, which has bolted on wings, And it didn't hit as hard as mine and it smashed those wings into a million and one pieces. He now is into it a lot more than me because I only had to by some ply stock to fix the servo tray [ :

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

Falcons, with all due respect, you give some of the better advice here in the forums, but the balsa sides of your fuse will split wide open long before those nylon bolts will even THINK about breaking.

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

do believe i stated that fact based on 32 years experience in post #3.even using smaller than 1/4 in nylon it still tears up the balsa sides.

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

Two more things to make the issue less clear -- [list=1][*]Many of the instructors I know recommend way too many rubber bands -- and that will lead to the destruction of a wing or fuselage just as fast as fastening with with stainless steel stove bolts, and [*]There is a huge difference in how much easier it is to shear a well-installed nylon bolt than it is to break one with space between the parts that are supposed to shear it.[/list=1]

So, maybe the most important thing that hasn't yet been said is that if you want the plane to hold up, you have to use whichever fastening system the right way. If it's bolts, there should be a hard mounting block in the wing and in the fuse with no space in between... otherwise the nylon will flex instead of shearing. If its rubber bands, there should be no more than a couple of rubber bands per pound of plane... otherwise the wing will hold on solid and the impact energy will be dissipated by breakage instead of by stretching and popping the rubber bands.

All that said, I, too, think that there's less risk in using rubber bands.

looking for trainer without rubber band wing
 

Sig has their new LT-40 ARF with a bolt on wing. Talked to their design dept this afternoon about leaving it a two piece wing, no problem they say. It is high quality built, covered, and comes without the decals on, so you can do your own color scheme. A magnum XLS 46 is a great combination. Have fun with what ever your choice.