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Yeah, every club has a few of these guys in it.

A more subtle variation on my "See, there's my fail safe device" suggestion would be to round up as many folks as you could and start bugging the crap out of the two "fail safe" promotors to become defacto safety experts.

Call their house and ask them about fail safe settings day and night. Ask them to write instruction guides for the newsletter. Every time they show up at the field to fly, ask them to "look over" your airplane and your radio settings and make sure your fail safe settings are programmed correctly. Tell them you don't understand how to program the fail safe settings on your radio and ask them to walk you through two or three or twenty times. Get five other guys in the club to do the same thing.

They'll repeal their own rule pretty damned fast if you can manage this correctly.

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Just wait until one of them loses a giant scale because of a failsafe, that rule will be history.
The beauty of it is, these types of pilots would never admit they were really at fault for a crash and would blame the equipment at which point it would be up to other members at the field to say "yup those darn failsafes cost you a plane"

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Depending on the wording used in the new rule, use the aforementioned rubber band as your "failsafe device".

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I think the 2 guys are just upset that we have the cheaper little planes and have as much fun with ours , if not more than they do with the $4,000 to $6000 each they have in theirs!

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That is exactly what should happen in that situation. Failsafe is NOT intended to protect the model. It is intended to protect people and property from being damaged by an out of control model.

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Sounds like these guys would have a (D) in front of their name if they were on the news, sorry I had to. I would get with all the other members if you can, get them to come to the next meeting and put a motion forward and second it. A discussion could take place and then a vote. You could ask the club to pay for your new failsafes since it is "so important" to the few that wanted it. If they won't let you go forth with a motion because "it's settled" then obviously the first vote can't count since the meeting rules aren't being followed. What are they gonna do, kick you out? Our field doesn't even have a gate, does yours? Just ignore their rule if they keep ignoring the rest of the members.

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I called AMA and they said their Insurance would not cover an accident if a person was using a fail-safe gadget that malfunctioned and caused a crash. Therefore, any persons injured in an accident caused by a malfunction of a fail-safe gadget would not be covered!

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That is a great idea, since you can't make a motion to rescind the rule make a motion for the club to supply the failsafe devices, different motion all together and NOT SETTLED.

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WOW, can we get verification of this?
That may get failsafe devices banned from most clubs!!!!

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I did a poll back in may when this issue came up at out field about the using fail-safes and the outcome was already 19-2 in favor of NOT using the fail-safes.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_74...tm.htm#7457313

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Your poll question was does your club mandate their use?

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I already told them at the next meeting we had about AMA not going to cover accidents if a fale-safe malfunctioned.

The reply from the club members that were at the next meeting was...AMA is just trying to protect themselves from a big payout!

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That doesn't make any sense to me. I suspect that whoever told you that was either confused about what you were asking, or was confused in giving you the answer. I'm not aware of the AMA having essentially "outlawed" fail safe devices, and nullified insurance coverage if one was in use. Such a device is no different than any other piece of equipment on your plane that could malfunction and cause a crash. A receiver failure, servo failure, broken linkage, and on and on. Again, I don't think you've been given proper advice from AMA, if they really understood your question.

Many of the suggestions given here would probably work, but it seems to me that the heart of the issue is the rule itself, how it was voted on and the question of whether it can be reversed or not.

You need to take a hard look at your club by-laws, and what they have to say about proposing, implementing and reversing flying rules. I can't imagine a set of bylaws being written that would prevent anything from being reversed. Do you have a copy of the by-laws and are you familiar with them? If not, can you get a copy?

It seems to me that for something as basic as such a rule change, it would either take a change in the bylaws themselves to make such a rule, or at least some sort of notification to the membership that such a rule had been proposed and would be voted on.

If neither of these is the case, then the rule change simply amounts to a motion made, seconded and passed at a general membership meeting. I can't imagine that such could NOT be reversed. Again.....get a copy of the bylaws and see what they say. If need be, post a copy here and you'll get plenty of advice.

Good luck

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YES, and most clubs do not make it mandatory to use them on your planes.

So why should the rinky dink club I am in have to make it mandatory?

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Did you document who at AMA you talked to and when you talked to them? You may want to follow this up with an e-mail and ask for an explanation back – this would provide you a written copy that can’t be disputed the elite ruling duo.

Definitely bring this issue up at the next club meeting and ask them whose insurance would be coving the incident? By the passage of this rule they have now put the club in a position of liability. This could be your way to have the rule appealed – by keeping the rule they are jeopardizing the club’s liability and voidance of their AMA insurance. If the plane has a fail safe onboard how can you prove it didn’t cause the crash? I’m sure AMA’s insurance company’s lawyer would put up a good argument that you can’t prove the fail safe didn’t cause the incident.

Hogflyer

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Does it make sense to you that AMA would take that position? It doesn't to me. I suspect that there was some confusion in the exchange or that the individual lthe OP spoke to doesn't really know.

I certainly could be wrong, but this just doesn't sound right to me.

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I'm just going to find me another place to fly rather than spend all that extra money I'd have to spend to update all my planes!

Case closed!

Thanks for your replies.

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Good luck on finding a new field, I hate it when issues like this tear apart groups or organizations like this.

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Actually, I'll be saving all that money I'd be spending on fail-safes and also $58 for AMA and another $50 for club dues. I have a large field just 3 blocks away from me that I can fly anytime I want for FREE!

And 2 other FREE places I can fly at that I have been flying on and off for the last 30 years.

They can take their new rule and shove it....well you know where!

I'd rather spend my money on more fuel anyhow instead of put up with the BS in that club!

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Maybe it should be a Capital G

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I do not condone bucking the rules, but I would do 2 things. I would ignore the rule if you are going to leave the club anyways, see if your inforce it. 2 talk to the other members that are not in support of the rule and tell them to not renew their membership, the president will start losing members and money and members. Another thing I would probably do, but I tend to be a bit mean, make a point of buying all of my hobby stuff online, and bring the receipt into the hobby store that the sec ownes and say, if you did not support this stupid rule, I would have supported you.

Just my rambling thoughts.

Jon

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Maybe you should call Obama or McCain and see what they think!:)

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How's the economy there in Michigan? What kind of Governor do you have?

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The Last Word!

All because of a Safety Rule?

The 2 guys with the big airplanes that pushed the issue have been know to fly their 37% to 40% planes with the big DA 150's on them swinging about a 22 inch prop right over the neighbors house with his little kids in the yard!

Safety? You're talking about Safety for this new fail-safe rule? Is that actually being safety minded flying over the house? Safety? And this fail-safe is for Safety?

I've heard it all now! Talk about Safety!

That really takes the cake!

Safety my $%*!!!

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Sucks here. All the pick-up truck mfg. are doing nothing. Our Governor is a Canadian and probably should go back to Canada. Nothing against folks from Canada, but she should govern in her own backyard. She was the fill in for (Sara Palin) for Biden to practice on for the debate. She is not near as pretty.