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Maybe you should contact your AMA District VP and ask for assistance.

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Let the Division Vice-President of your area know what is going on. He is involved with AMAWe are in division VII and his name is Bill OberdieckLook in your AMA publication (Model Aviation) and see who it is in your area. You are in district V and his name is Tony Stillman Ph: 912-242-2307. That will take care of problem quickly. Richard Whitely in SC 843-408-3509

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How can the AMA prove the device malfunctioned ? Whose to say there wasn't interference at the time the device activated ? There is no way to prove it one way or the other. Sounds like the club is still covered to me. Not that its a good rule.

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I'm not sure what, if anything, the AMA can do about a club rule. It's my opinion that such a rule wouldn't violate the clubs AMA charter so I don't think that they havae any leverage.

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I guess I was thinking more about the un-safe flying i.e., flying over houses and etc. Don't think AMA would approve of that.

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OK, I misunderstood, and no, they certainly wouldn't.

But again, don't know what leverage they would have, other to inform the pilots that their AMA insurance would be covering them under those circumstances. A call to the local police might get better results.

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Wonder if that club has a safety officer? Maybe it is one of the guys wanting that rule. If they do have one, he should step up and enforce that area.

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This is gonna be one of the most interesting threads since I joined. It doesn't apply much to my club because of the support we get from the city to use their land at the lake. The city was overwhelmed with joy that we finally put up a little wooden wall in front of each pilot stand. We don't have "occupied" areas, but there are a couple close areas where the lake croud hangs out. They are to far to fly over and have good visibility of the plane, but if the plane lost signal it could be headed in that direction.

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It's often the Safety Officers that violate the most Safety rules using the excuse that "they know more". They're wrong of course.

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You are quite correct. Remember, however, that failsafe is not supposed to apply to the plane, but to people on the ground where the plane might hit.

I agree, that it adds a failure point, and I don't use one.

And did everybody miss this little tidbit?

Case closed. Property owner sets the rules. No democracy involved here. Only remaining choices are get the failsafes or fly elsewhere.

Brad

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I find it sad that some of you can't resist injecting national politics into something like this. Not much self-control is required to avoid that. Didn't your parents teach you about subjects to avoid talking about in polite conversation?

Failsafe is a fine idea, but I think a great many people misuse it or fail to use it when they have it. I can't imagine programming mine for anything other than killing the engine and neutral control surfaces. Anything else, to my mind, is irresponsible. One can't predict the attitude or location of the model when the signal from the transmitter is lost. Attempting to anticipate that is probably a mistake for anyone but the most sedate and predictable of fliers.

I think there is a great misunderstanding of failsafe out there, too. If the receiver battery runs out of juice, there is no failsafe. There's no power to move the servos and no receiver to command them. Failsafe only occurs when the receiver loses signal from the transmitter. Most people probably don't program their failsafe at all.

There are many ways in which clubs can improve safety. Mandating failsafebut not how it is usedis not one of them. It sounds like certain members of the club in question stand to gain, either financially or from fewer people/models flying. I guess it's just another reason to avoid clubs, or failing that, to get yourself in a position to influence things.

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If I get a fail-safe on my plane and it malfunctions and runs into one of the 37% to 40%er's on the ground I sure hope they don't try to blame Me fot it! :)

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I better order some fail-safes today!

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How much do these "fail-safes" that they want you to use cost anyway? The LHS lady should give discounts sicnce she is requiring them. Good luck on that.[:'(]

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Never mind http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=HAN6015 I finally looked at it in your orig post. I bet she can provide them for $15 in quantity.

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Another gripe is...What if the fail-safe malfunctions and I lose my plane over it?

I've never lost a plane do to any glitches or batteries going dead on me, never!

They say the fail-safes aren't 100% guaranteed.

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Hey Hungry-n-broke contact you district vp. The unsafe flying is in direct violation of AMA rules. Turn the tide on them and I bet they give up the fail safe idea. You say you are probably going to leave anywaysmight as well make some waves on your way out.

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That depends upon whether their is a lease agreement with the club, and the specifics of what that lease agreement says in terms of establishing flying rules.

If a lease agreement exists the owner may not be able to establish such arbitrary rules until the lease in re-negotiated. Or.....it may give him the power to do just about anything he wants.

Who knows, he may be trying to just kill the club because someone offered him $15K an acre or something. :eek:

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Even the most unreasonable club would not allow such a major decision to be made by 5% of the club members present. That's just foolish and shows that someone is simply power hungry.

Spending club funds on a lawn mower, for instance, is one thing because it benefits everyone. Making a rule like this is simply absurd.

The solution is to spend a few dollars and get a letter out to each and every member and call for a vote, either by mail in ballot or by trying to convince them to come to the meeting.

Our club had an issue where a couple of guys tried to ram something down our throats. We tabled the ammendment until we were able to disuss it further, then it was soundly defeated. One of the individual has never shown up at meetings or the field since... which I say good riddance.

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Well, it IS just a throttle fail-safe after all. Not any worse than running out of fuel at an unexpected time or having a plug fail or having the engine quit for any other reason. So you dead stick. What's the problem with that? Yeah, it shouldn't be a requirement I agree except with a turbine but ???????

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Who wants to buy 7 failsafes or switch out one for every plane when you want to fly it? Come on, seriously!

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The way They put it is, If your plane goes out of control at least it won't be at full throttle! I'm sure my little 5 lb plane would do a lot less damage than their 37% to 40%er's would but it's ok for them to fly over the neighbors house and property with their big planes.

Totally BS if you ask me!

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Really totally BS if you ask me!

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Forward this link to your Club Members !


Bob

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WOW tough spot to be in.....If you are a property owner that allows a club to use your land then I think you as the landowner should let the club set the rules....too bad this isn't a perfect world
The issue certaintly isn't settled because it came up again...I would try once again at a meeting, to make, and second a montion, to over turn the rule by vote....If the officers refuse the motion then the only thing you can do is resign in mass...and that ain't gonna happen...you're never going to get the majority to walk out with you...
Good Luck and Good Flyin where ever you go