morgans fuel
 

cool power 10% and omega 10%...

one is pink other one green... can I use any of them available? will it make a big difference?

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Either one will work just fine. the difference is that the Omega has castor oil for lubrication and the Cool Power has synthetic lubrication in the mix.

Ken

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which would I rather want then? pure castor? or with synthetic in the mix? what the diff? you know?

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It's really more a personal choice than anything else. I use nothing but Cool Power, and have been doing so for about 10 years now.

Ken

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really minor clarification of what Ken said, Omega and CoolPower have mostly the same stuff, Omega just has 2-3% of caster, while CoolPower is all synthetic. Total oil content in both is about 18% if I recall.

The way Ken wrote it sounds almost like Omega is all caster.

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Thanks for the correction. I didn't realize that was the case.

ken

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o well... RCKen I am going with you then... I can only get the Cool Power one anyway... was just curious...

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Like Ken said, it's personal preference.

I used mostly Omega (until I got a sweet deal on 8 gallons of Wildcat). I'd occasionally get some Coolpower instead when the LHS was out of Omega. Mostly you can't tell the differenece in the engine running.

Caster does have a higher flashpoint than the synthetics, so it will give just a bit of extra protection if you lean the engine out too much. However, caster also causes a varnish buildup in the engine and makes more of a mess. It can also do funny things to an engine in storage.

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Oh, to top it off, sometimes I've mixed CoolPower and Omega together. It looks almost brown or purple, but runs exactly the same once again :D.

I've also mixed in some Wildcat with Omega and Coolpower, again with no noticeable change. :D

Btw, it does't hurt to read their website. Taking into account the PR any company will have on their own site. I forget the URL, but googling Morgan Fuels will do it for you.

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I used to use Omega. My engines would turn brown from the burned oil on them. I'm sure they would then run hotter and hotter. Every now and then I had to boil them in anti-freeze to remove the burned oil. Then I discovered Cool Power only used synthetic oil. That oil burns at a higher temperature. I have been using Cool Power for about 4 years and my engines now always look brand new, run great, and seem to last forever. Like most clubs, our club has those that insist on using Castor Oil. I mentally chuckle but never say a word against it.

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There is a good article in the Oct issue of Model Airlane News about castor and synthetic oils.

Don

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When Brian Winch started writing for RC Report he did an article about Castor Oil, good lord, the replys from readers that used Castor was something else, Brian needed body guards if he ever came to the states, every one had a new rope waiting for him. I use power Master fuel and it's oil is blended too. No real big deal for me, I use the fuel I can get at a good price, if it has a little Castor OK, if not, OK. I have run both Omega and Cool Power and never noticed any difference in how my engines run, both good fuels. Come to think about it my engines have never met a fuel they didn't like.;)

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Yeah, its is a very good article, I like to run a blend

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Hey,I got a chuckle out of that too,because I do the same thing when I hear guys swear by synthetic,lol.

I like castor because I've seen a few engines that ran cool power after sitting on the shelf awhile. With that much rust in.....I couldnt believe I was able to break them loose! I used to have an engine that I ran only synthetic in and it would squeak like crazy and all the guys would laugh at it and I thought it was the motors hub rubbing on the crankcase of something......here after switching to my own fuel with a castor mix,it hasnt squeaked a single time and I can now brag how great of an engine it is. Castor has proven itself to me a couple times over,while full synthetics have failed in a couple ways a couple times over. Its cool to see the veterans at my club commenting on how great our custom fuel is with its castor blend in. I guess sometimes its all in the luck of the draw I guess.

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You can always buy a bottle of Caster oil and add it to your Cool Power...wahlah...Semi-Synthetic. No rust in my engines with Cool Power, maybe you should store them in less humidity.

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The trouble with adding castor to Cool Power or any other synthetic fuel, or even a castor blend fuel, is the it doensn't just change the castor content, but delutes the Methonal and Nitro content.

Six oz of castor to a gallon of Omega 15% screws up the mix enough that you wouldn't want to fly it. Howerver, it is great break in fuel. I put together a spread sheet a while back to see what the real blend was when you started adding castor. Kind of interesting the blends you get.

I've got a half gallon of Omega left from a couple years back when I was breaking in a couple new engines.It wasn't a good mix for flying, but it's probalby still good for break in on a couple new engines I have.

A lot of the "red" rust you see in an engine that has sat for a while is from the dye in the fuel. I've heard guys that tore down an engine that had several gallons of Cool Power thrugh it and they commented about everything being green inside. The red is mostly dye rich varnish from the castor. That is why when you pull a gummed up engine out of moth balls, and get it freed up some, the "rust" doesn't seem to have effected it. Once it is loose again, it runs just fine.

Last, Morgan is now producing Cool Power in Pink. Go figure.

Don

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ok well, after reading all of you guys comments I am glad only Cool Power is available to me... thanks for all inputs...

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It's not over yet.:D:D:D

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Yeah I just use the Purple ( mix ) stuff, so I don't have to hear people telling me which one is better!

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Question, I am flying at a private field, so I do not see many other types of gas, or motors. I use Omega 10%, the other guys use cool power 15%. I notice that their planes have less oil every where compared to mine, I think I have the thing tuned in right, but I may be rich on the carb needle, is that correct? (I have no problem with idle or rev issues after idling for long periods the motors just leap to life)

This is for Jester: (or others that have comments)
Is your plane messy when you are done after 2-3 fights in one day?

Also Jester, my group of guys is looking into making our own fuel, what oils, and mixture rates do you use? Just dipping my feet in the water here. My cousin can get his hands on the harder to find stuff as he works for a chemical distribution company. So getting my hands on hard to get stuff will not be a problem.

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After 2 or 3 flights......yes,my plane is pretty messy. Several factors go into just how messy a plane will be,like type of fuel,where the exhaust comes out,tuning......stuff like that. You might notice your omega makes a very minut amount of more mess then the cool power. This could be because your omega has a little castor in it which doesnt burn up as good as the cool powers synthetic,but more than likely its just thier exhausts are sticking out further from the plane then yours,or are pointing in a different direction etc. And they may very well be running their engines alot leaner. Dont worry about it though....oil is good as long as your engine is running well. That means its getting good lubrication!

Check for a PM about my fuel details.....

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I use exclusively Omega, mainly because that is the best deal on club purchases, but have been very happy with it.
No problems with my engines. Its castor blend for me.
One of the old guys at the field told me I should use cool power because the caster will gum up the valves in my 4 strokes, he said that was the only thing he used. Not 1/2 hour later he couldn't get his engine started and found the valves had stuck. I had to bite my tounge on that one.

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Sounds like you are running a Saito!! :D Just had to say that, my bad!! I run the Power Master 15% that has 18% blended oil. I don't know the Castor content?? Anyone?? I run the big three of engines, OS, YS and Saito. The OS and YS powered planes are very clean. I call the Saitos the snot machines!!
My local Hobby People sells the Castor Oil in quarts and you can find the Nitro and Alcohol in most good speed shops. Most the people I know brewing there own don't get any real good savings until they blend over 15 gallons at a time. I wanted to do it this year but couldn't find enough guys to go in on it with me. Most of us wait for sales at Hobby People and stock up then. My old club bought fuel by the pallet and sold it in case lots for some great savings.
Fact is the fuel manufactures do such a good job I'm not sure you could buy a bad one. I check up on all my LHS and wait for the sales but Hobby People here has a pretty good sale every couple of months.