Suitable for second plane?
 

Will this baby be suitable for a young man that has just graduated from his trainer?

Extra Sports 30S
By World Models

Aerobatics sports scale model.
Wing span: 52 in.
Wing area: 419 sq.in.
Flying weight: 4.5 lbs.
Engine: 0.32 2 stroke
Radio: 4 channel 4 servos.

http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...p?ProductID=32

I have checked the RCU reviews, and it has happy owners.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/product_gu...fm?kit_id=1136

Grateful in advance for good advice, as well as engine recommendation.

RE: Suitable for second plane?
 

This plane looks good. as long as you have mastered your trainer and take it easy for the first couple of flights, you should be able to handle it. This is a very aerobatic plane and is unforgiving, but will fly exactly how you guide it.
dan

RE: Suitable for second plane?
 

I would think that is too aerobatic for a second plane, but I guess it depends on the pilot.

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I am still a beginner, not flown as of yet not til this summer, but I would have to say no way would that be suitable for a second plane, or even a third.

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double post

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i would have to say its more of a third or fourth airplane... once he has mastered a low wing sport plane and can do consecutive touch and gos id say your about ready....

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get a escapade with a decent .46 engne and its a rocket on a 11x5 yet will slow down for landings, its a decent second plane, much better than the one you posted.
if you want a 4 stroke the magnum .52 isnt a bad deal and wouldnt be a horrible engine on that plane

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I second jimmyjames213, the Escapade is a great second plane. It's inexpensive but has plenty to offer, aerobatics, speed, and it is a great ARF very easy to assemble.

I love mine.

Gary

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JMO


My 2nd plane was a Stik.


I would be cautious on landings with
that ac for a 2nd plane.

Bob

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L.....It's advertised weight is kind of high for having only 400 squares. I would choose a 650 sq inch wing model with 4.5 pounds RTF weight. The type of model I'm suggesting is a 3D profile. They'll fly circles around anything else and be most forgiving of pilot errors.

The BEST RC PILOTS are the guys who can keep those overweight models from falling out of the sky, flight after flight. I tip my cap to those guys and those smooth 25-30 mph landings.....:D
..
I'd rather retain my status as a 2nd rate pilot and fly sport planes with lighter wing loadings and slower landings.

25 sized semi-scale models lug around the same size gear [for the most part] as a .45 sized model [with more wing area] and the all around performance suffers

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I have been flying for what will soon be my 4th season. When I was looking for a second plane I asked the guy who trained me and a few people in my club who had seen my fly for some ideas. Since they had seen me fly, they had an idea of the type of plane I could handle. They suggested a 4* or a Tiger II. They even let other members know I was looking for a second plane. Just a suggestion, but getting advice from those who have seen you fly and have flown with you could be helpful in choosing a second plane.

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if you like kits i would highly recommend the gp rapture http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFHG4&P=0
idk about you but not very many people have one, cause most dont build kits, i like having a hanger that isnt like the next guys (most have a 4 star or tiger)
it flies great and lands so smooth, i bring it out to the field with me all the time despite the fact i have much more complicated planes, the rapture makes a great, no sweat sunday flyer that can do some decent aerobatics when called on.

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Jimmyjames,
Thanks for the advice. I have actually been flying a Tiger II knock off from Texas RC Planes for 2 years now. I have a Kyosho Cap 232 in my hangar that I hope to begin flying this year. My job kept me from the field most of last year, so I didn't get as much stick time as I needed to move to the Cap. The guys at my field are very helpful and the advice I have recieved has been very good in most cases, so that is why I suggested LNEWQBAN talk to his club memebers to help him decide on a second plane. One of my club members even sold me the Cap 232, with a TT .46 engine for $50.00. All I had to do is add the servos, reciever, and battery.

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Many thanks to all.

Actually, the plane has been given to a young friend, who is ready for his second plane.

This one should wait in storage then.

He doesn't like the classic 4 star or the Tiger, or kits.

What about this ARF?:

Phoenix Models Sonic 25

Low Wing sport trainer

Engine: .25-.32 cu in (4.1-5.2cc) 2-stroke engine

Wingspan: 52.3"

Wing area: 470 sq. in

Airfoil: Semi-symmetrical

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXEDN7&P=0

Some positive reviews can be found here:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/product_gu...fm?kit_id=2745

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You would be better off with the World Models Mach II.
Very nice second plane/low wing trainer.
Good Luck,
KW_Counter

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That's more it!! I had one student that was able to go right into the stunt planes without any trouble but it doesn't happen all that often. I trained him on the trainer for a day then the second day out I went ahead and let him solo then fly the trainer by himself. MOving into true stunts planes was just easy for him. Most of us it takes a little longer. Seems the older we are the longer it takes.

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I would say yes and no. No for solo (depending on the pilot) and no for (aerobatics right away) but yes because its a nice airplane. I would get an instructor for the first few flights, just to see how everything goes, then you can do it. Remember, its a flat wing, and low wing, NO DIHEDRALANDNOHIGHWING. they fly very different and take time getting used to. If I were on my second plane, I would try to find a high wing aerobatic plane. But, the pilots choice.

Good luck!

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Sorry here this is what I wanted to say

I agree with jimmyjames, second plane should be Escapade as I ordered one too and getting this Wednesday ARF:D or Easy sports.

Good luck with your second plane.

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Thanks, gentlemen; all good ideas.

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I agree. That tapered wing has unforgiving stall characteristics. I would think something like a SIG "4star" or "Something Extra" (straight wings) would be more suitable as a second model even if the pilot is an exceptional student.

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The E-Flite Pulse designs are awesome, I have the Mini Pulse and want to get the Pulse XT 25e. These planes fly extremely well, they are stable and can fly pretty slow while still being stable and land slow also. Kick the throttle and they're little rockets. The wings are semi-symetrical but they fly almost as stable as flat bottom airfoil. You can 'train' with it's low speed stability and then as you get better you can keep picking up the speed and do more all with the same plane, in other words wide envelope of flying. I LOVE the Pulse !! Best of luck to you...

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Hi!
No!
Get a .40 size plane instead! That one is too small (and it's semi scale ,which is no good)
A better choice is a Q-500 racer. Much more agile and aerobatic and much more gentile.
Those to the left is Sonic 500 and those two to the right is the original Spickler "Q-500" racer from 1972.

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If you want to build then get a Sig 4 Star 40. It is easy to build and fly.

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Thanks, gentlemen.[sm=thumbs_up.gif]

A four star kit I have had waiting for my attention for long time.