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Second wind resistant plane
I just started flying and have a Mini Telemaster electric great plane but a little too small forwind over 5 mph- Any suggetions for a larger "wind resistant electric" mid wing or low wing that would be pretty forgiving and classify as a trainer. Would like it in ARF or better. Thanks!!</p> |
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"Trainer" and "wind resistant" really don't go together. That said, a Stick is pretty good in the wind and can be flown a touch nose heavy with low rates to soften up the controls. It's nice too to be able to crank it up as your skills improve.
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Yea, I was reading the info on that plane just before I sent out the post- Since, I just dont have the experience, I wantedsome input from some of the "experts" before I took the dive and ordered a plane- Getting 5mph winds in San Antonio is not too often.....
I have been practicing on the Simulator in 10mph and getting better but I am just not there yet, with small planes. Thanks! for the input |
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I've found the Alpha 40 handles the winds we have here in south central KS quite well and has proven to be a very rugged trainer.
Hogflyer |
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I'll check it out thanks!!!
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I'll second Hogflyer, we have a new pilot learning with the Alpha 40 and they were flying a couple of weeks ago in 15-20mph winds with no problems
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The big differences between a Stick vs. a trainer are in crosswinds and in gusts. A stick doesn't try to roll with the wind in crosswind. It only weathervanes a little bit (nose turning into the wind because of pressure on the tail). And headwind gusts will generally lift the nose of trainers, whereas Sticks barely react at all. I didn't realize just how good Sticks are in the wind until about two months ago I was out flying mine in about 20 mph wind and then moved to a new Piper Cub I had. The Cub was all over the place in turbulent air to the point I thought I had to take 4 go arounds to land it, but the Stick just went up and did whatever I told it to do. If you have basic control down and can turn without getting upside down, then you're a good enough pilot to handle a Stick on low rates.
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That was my problem with the Mini Telemaster ok down wind and will fly pretty good into a strong head wind but cross wind all over the place and hard to land
Ive got the controls down pretty good and can fly the Stik on the Simulator pretty well it really is very stable on the Sim at winds up to 15mph and it is very easy to land on the Sim probably because I havent got the jitters on the computer. |
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I'd 2nd the suggestion of a Stik. I fly my Big Stik 60 in wind over 15mph all the time, including cross winds and it handles wonderfully. I remember the max wind I flew in one time was sustained 25-32mph with gusts over 40. That is probably the max I would do. I was the only person flying that day.
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Yes on a "stick" design. I moved from an LT-40 trainer to an UltraStick 40. Once I got it trimmed out, my flying confidence in a WIDE range of wind conditions has substantially improved with the UltraStick.
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Any suggetions for a larger ''wind resistant electric'' mid wing or low wing that would be pretty forgiving and classify as a trainer. Would like it in ARF or better. Thanks!! </p> |
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Stik, Stik, Stik......I flew my .40 in winds up to 35 knots with no problem. Set up right a stik can definately be "trainer-like."
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OK. I agree there. A "stik" was what we used to call an "aileron trainer"; which is outdated terminology. My second plane was a Stik.
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I have had several "Stick" type planes over the years and they have always been good in the wind for me.
I was at the field all day Saturday fly my Ultra Stick 40 with a Saito 62. It handled the winds without any thought. |
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I have a GWS Tiger Moth 400, modified to brushless and I usually fly that thing in winds over 15 MPH +. The problem with many RC pilots especially those who are learning is that they tend to depend too much on the ailerons for turning when flying in the wind. I have a Goldberg Cub with a old OS .60 four stroker in it and I won't fly if the wind is LESS than 10 MPH. That is when the fun begins. I love flying my Cub down wind then kick the rudder and using the ailerons cross control and keeping the wings level through the turn and then hanging it into the wind . You can not image the look and comments I get from other fliers. I tell them it is quite easy to do it just take a bit of practice. If you are going to fly in the wind you need to learn to use your rudder control, I know that is easier said than done. Stick planes are always a good choice for leaning to fly in the wind.
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ORIGINAL: heavy metal thunder I have a GWS Tiger Moth 400, modified to brushless and I usually fly that thing in winds over 15 MPH +. The problem with many RC pilots especially those who are learning is that they tend to depend too much on the ailerons for turning when flying in the wind. I have a Goldberg Cub with a old OS .60 four stroker in it and I won't fly if the wind is LESS than 10 MPH. That is when the fun begins. I love flying my Cub down wind then kick the rudder and using the ailerons cross control and keeping the wings level through the turn and then hanging it into the wind . You can not image the look and comments I get from other fliers. I tell them it is quite easy to do it just take a bit of practice. If you are going to fly in the wind you need to learn to use your rudder control, I know that is easier said than done. Stick planes are always a good choice for leaning to fly in the wind. I gave up on trying to fly on days with no wind. What days? It was a good steady wind Saturday and I landed crossways of the sod runway as it is 150 ft wide. In fact, on a rare day when there is no wind, I've found that I don't like it. |
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I have had great luck with the Electric T-28 The FOAM one in up to 30 mph winds..Of course I have been flying since 1960.
a little tricky but a real forgiving low-wing aircraft |
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I will also recommend the Stik as well. I have a Big Stik 40 that was a really good plane to work with in the wind. I just soloed last fall, and this spring has been a windy spring. The Big Stik handled the wind beautifully, and was easy to handle during cross wind landings as well. Plus the landing gear is beefy enough to withstand alot of abuse on those "rough" landings that come with wind practice. My flying abilities have increased tremendously because of this Stik, and I highly recommend it as a great second plane, and an excellent Wind plane as well.
Just my $.02 worth...... Dax |
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Any of these are good planes. The advice about using your rudder is the best though. I wont say i havnt gotten cocky and lost a plane or two in the wind but i will say that once you get enough practice with all your controll surfaces. Even the cub is good in the wind.
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OK I'm going with the concensus on all the "experts" A Stick it is Great Planes has the Electro Stick out
I think I want to order that one and give it a go I will have one of the guys at the field on the Trainer Switch for a couple of rounds If it flys like the sim in Real Flight, I think I can handle it if I dont get the ol guy jitters flying these things makes me feel like I was playing just before one of big football games in high school. Butterflys galore! Thanks for all the words of advice, experience and wisdom I need all the help I can beg and borrow :D |
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I'm sure you will like it
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Just start with your rates near the low end as recommended in the manual. Sticks can be very responsive with higher rates which is great for building your skills, but to a beginner high rates will feel twitchy.
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Well its ordered and should be here this week
I can identiyy with the twitchy feeling twitch to the right and overcorrect to the left Thanks guys:) |
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Loading the plane down a bit helps cut through the winds.
A Stick has plenty of wing area, so it will not really suffer if you construct it on the heavy side, just don't go too far. I purposely put in 3800mAh NiCD battery packs on my Big Stik .60 to add some weight. This turned it into the perfect medium wind flyer for me... I stop flying the stick only when it is so windy that I cannot even keep it on the ground. |
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Thanks I will remember that I like the landings that when you get about a foot above the ground you can just flop it down and let it roll my trainer does not know when to quit flying even dead stick
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All good advice. As was said, practice with rudder. It's hard to get in the habit, but it's a good habit to get into. Even after a couple years, I still find myself having to think about rudder when I need it most. It's very easy to forget, and rudder is your friend!
Another thing to remember would be that the plane doesn't know it's windy, only you do. Having said that, once you understand why the plane does what it does, and how to anticipate that, the wind isn't all that bad. Sure it's nerve racking but that rush you get when you encounter conditions you find less than desireable and you've beaten it into submission is pretty cool. Have fun with the stick. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. |
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LOL :)on the Sim how practicing with the rudder and ailerons now you must have a mind wave here THANKS!</p> |
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I have a very light Ultrafly Super Decathlon with a Rimfire 400 and 1550Mah 30C lipo. I love to fly this short-fuz plane in strong wind. It is like surfing the wave and I have great fun to make it stand still in the sky above me, or if the wind is strong enough, let it go backwards. As said above, the rudder is your friend, and the plane will fly better if it is heavy, but it does not have to be. All you need to keep in mind is the wind-gradient. The wind blows lighter near the ground, and it can be turbulent as well. Come in with plenty power, and cut the throttle once you are on the ground. To let it glide in, you are going to need a lot of speed, as the relative wind over the wings get less and less nearer the ground, you must compensate for it by speeding up, otherwise you will stall the plane a few feet up, and she might drop a wing and cartwheel in, or the U/C will get a pounding.
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yea my thing is learning to keep the speed up close to the ground gonna have to try more of that on the sim with the lighter trainers
I have pretty well learned to fly in the wind now but this Mini Telemaster gets real touchy when trying to land at lower speeds in windy conditions got a bigger trainer ordered but if i can learn to set this one down in a strong wind I will probably be better off in the long run. I dont have any trouble landing at all with the heavier planes on the simulator at higher air speeds, that is pretty easy, but these floaters do not want to stop flying and when they do, they want to tip. |
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an avistar with a straight(no dihedral) wing works great in 30 mph winds
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My Ultra Stick is a blast in the wind. I once had a deadstick in about 15 mph winds. I ruddered it around and the flare stopped it cold on groundspeed. The wheels could have been eggs and not broken when it settled in straight down.
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