dittch

aw, aren't you going to post anymore pictures of your rotary tool work? It is so important to this discussion you know...LOL

nobody cares about your test, you're full of yourself and are so dead set on being right that you'll probably falsify it if it actually proves to be nitro proof. I wouldn't put that past you based on the way you talk here. That's the difference between you and me. If my test proves it to eventually fail then I'll be a man and present the data.

I said I would have video, no pics. Video is way more convincing than pics. So what are you going to do when it doesn't melt? I really can't see you coming on here and saying you were wrong. You're too insecure for that. Anyway, I'll post videos later this week. I'm going to video several pulls (rubbing the RTV on paper) out to about a week.

nearly 24 hours into my test and silicone RTV is fine, so what were you thinking when you typed that above "silicone melts with contact to nitromethane"? It's obviously wrong. Was it another one of those "I'm so smart" moments? Whatever it was, you were obviously wrong. I know that hurts, but that is how it is for people like you when people actually research your claims....open mouth, insert foot

supertib

These same tests have been done many times over on RC tech when a few modders were looking for an appropriate crank filler....RTV doesn't cut it, 1211 does........ I will post pics of what it does, fail or not fail..i have never bull****ted before and I am not going to start now.... Ask anyone who knows me, I am a man of my word and extremely honest...... Ditch I have read some of your past posts and to me it seems your the imature one, you get all hot and huffy when someone doesn't agree with you... IMO you are lying about soaking the RTV and thats the reason your refusing to post pictures....If you really have the test going one please post pictures, if not I am calling BS on you

heres another one ! lets see yours

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sk_G...eature=channel

savagecommander

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LOL... i know alot more about these engines then you do, and I think i have proved that without any shadow of a doubt...you may call me arrogant, but i consider it confidence..... a few guys with XTM's and Axial's are not going to intimidate me one bit... all i see is your claims, but with absolutely no proof whatsoever..... you guys questioned my knowledge of these engines, I posted pics and videos proving what i know and what i do, now its your turn...... You guys talk the big talk, lets see you back that talk up......
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first, i dont have an XTM or an axial- who cares about that anyway? so the basis of comparison on knowledge in the hobby is based on what brand of motors you buy? c'mon now.

second, you talk about claims yourself, so i suggest you change your rhetoric.

third, yes i "back my talk up"....... i use blue rtv on my motor to seal it, you want some nice shots of my backplate? maybe a close up of the carb?


oh, and maybe that wood floor would be nice to see- im sure super would have the last word on that too, maybe some pointers on what youre doing wrong...

savagecommander

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8854176/tm.htm

you wanna talk about past posts? look at #20...... sounds kinda like the same old same old.....

dittch

Oh look, the king of the BS'ers is calling BS on me. Your opinion doesn't mean squat so deal with it. You've already spewed out a bunch of assumptions already, that is all you have here....and we all know what assumptions are worth

So now you're looking into my past posts? LOL, I didn't know I was so important to you. Why so concerned about little me, I'm just a newb who runs RTR's, remember. The true picture of you is really developing.

imagine that, more 'strawman' from the insecure, special

dittch

LOL, no surprise there, an authority on everything until called out, then he disappears.

supertib

I beleive you have a RE 32, which is the identical junk as the Axial

And you guys may not realize it, but what you run tells me alot about how much you know and how much experience you truly have.......Right now I bet all you guys are still running RTR's and have never once owned a quality kit RC with a quality engine....You think you actually know something but the truth is your trapped in your own ignorance..you feel you already know all there is to know which limits your ability to learn more..your ego's will never allow you to actually admit that maybe you don't know nearly as much as you think you do.... You see I am not like this, I am always moving forward taking every opportunity to compete and advance..i know there is still tons I still don't know and it only drives me to learn more and advance my craft...... All I will say is if you ever came out running with me I would be giving you some serious lessons on running nitro's....hate me all you want, but I can back up every single thing I am saying..... I am not the one who started this fight, your ignorant rude responses did ... instead of disagreeing and doing an actual test you guys chose to come out guns blazing looking for a fight... I would have been happier for us just to do some comparative testing, but you guys have absolutely no manners or ability to have a disagreement without getting all personal..... I only retaliate with what has been thrown at me... you guys called me out, now I am calling you out..you guys asked what my credentials were, now I ask what your credentials are ! I have more then enough video,pictures, testimonials to back myself up...what do you guys have to back yourselves up ? chances are I work on more engines in any single week then you guys have run in your entire lives....... Believe or not I would much rather get along and share info, but I will never back down from a group of internet e-thugs like yourselves..... Anyways till you guys have something to offer in the way of credentials or proof of this testing I have nothing more to say.....

richardcranium

You know supertib , just because I have more going on then this stupid little website does NOT mean I am a newbie. It means that I have other interests. People like you really p**s me off. You talk alot of s**t but dont back any of it up. The videos were laughable at best. So what if you can drive an RC car? Everyone here can do that. The question way back at the beginning was how to seal an engine. This person dosent care about filling a crank! Thay wanted to seal an air leak. RTV works just fine for that. I don't think you have any lesser quality product in your country than we have in ours. It makes me wonder just what you are thinking when you reply to someones post. And lets all be honest with ourselves for a second. RC cars are considered to be toys. If you want to compete on a national level that is wonderful. I am happy that we both live in contries where that is a possibility, but these things are still toys. These are not full size race cars and we are not racing in the Daytona 500, Indy 500 or Baja 1000.

supertib

If they are so laughable then lets see a video of how your RC vehicles perform... I bet you got nothing even remotely close ! if you did you would post it...

I tried to offer my advice on sealing engines, but these cowboys were more interested in starting a fight.....Then you come in with only 4 posts and start busting my chops...i could care less who you think you are, IMO your some newbie just trying to take a shot at me....

richardcranium

What ever supertib. If calling me a newbie helps you feel better about yourself then go ahead. I know who I am and I dont give a rats backside what your opinion is. I dont post videos of my RCcars because I have better things to do. This is getting old. I will check back to see the results of the two tests being performed because I think that is interesting. You are not.

savagecommander

first- those are fighting words- you never saw, heard, talked about, or know anything about my motors. you call other people out for being insulting but you're the first one to do it.

second- yes, i think its about time you closed your mouth. i have to clean my boots off anyway... its getting deep.

third- a valid point. dittch, however useful and informative your testing will be, wouldnt it be safe to say that takes the sealing properties of silicone to an extreme? honestly, silicone involved in the type of application we were originally discussing doesnt see that kind of..."work load".... true?

I'm just looking for an opinion, and by all means im interested too see how this performs, so dont take this as a reson not to test-

Colt4g63

This thread is sad... but halarious at the same time.... [8D]

antiquefer

OH please dont let this end! Who doesn't love a good cat fight?

bkfamily1

My Feedback: (1)

you are in trouble now, tib

[link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBMJURmoMPU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBMJURmoMPU[/link]

aric38

LMAO[sm=lol.gif]

clarencem

Wow Supertib, I have sat here and read this for two days on and off. You have posted photos ,vidios of cars that are suposed to have your engines in them. Thats great. Would you please show all of us one photo of this melted RTV? Please forgive my ignorance I am a newbe however I have used multiple types of silicone I have never seen any melt even with a high heat application such a vehicle engines two and four stroke off road engines. You realy need to relax. Even monkeys fall from trees once in a while. For someone with so much knowledge you havent proved anything to any of us about your claims. I think we would all have more respect for what you are saying if you could show us. Guys please correct me if Iam wrong who wants to see melted RTV.

savagecommander

ive been trying to get an answer out of him this whole time but all he does is change the subject. its a lost cause, my guess.......

supertib

I am still waiting for Ditch's pictures as well......

supertib

Well here is the scoop... I currently do not have any RTV here, I don't use RTV and I have no reason to own any...I have a better product called Threebond 1211.. I have been to busy to drive to a hardware store and buy a tube of RTV...... However another forum member has offered to do these tests just to see what happens..he is unbiased and will conduct the tests without any prejudice, I will let him speak up when the time comes...till them I am going to wait for the results just like everyone else..currently he has spread out several blobs of RTV and he is giving it 48 hours to cure...after that it will be submersed and soaked in nitro for a few days...then the blob will be compared to its counterpart that has not been soaking... If any deterioration whatsoever has occurred then it proves RTV is not nitro proof....However if the soaked blob comes out just as firm as the test blob then I guess RTV is nitro proof after all........... I decided by the way this thread was going that even if I did the tests myself you guys would try to claim I rigged the results anyways , so I have a unbiased observer doing this test...he could care less one way or the other, but he is curious to see if the RTV really will soften, as that is what he has been using for a while...... I am also thinking of asking hm to do an adhesion test of RTV in nitro... place a thin smear on 2 backplates, the thickness of the bead you would apply to seal a engine... then submerse one backplate for a few days and compare the adhesion to the test backplate.... If the RTV shows any deterioration whatsoever then it is not Nitro proof..... I have already said RTV will work, but it is only resistant to nitro, not actually nitro proof..... 1211 is truly nitro proof and a far superior product to be using to seal these engines..... Anyways the tester does not want to be dragged into this circus of a thread, so be patient and wait for him to post the results of his test when its complete.........

My opinion is your going to see the clear nitrotane turn murky and milky once the RTV blob has been soaking for a day or so.. remember any discoloration whatsoever of the fuel means the RTV is not nitro proof...the fuel being used is crystal clear and it will show any contamination very easily......

Chris_RC

This thread is getting pathetic. Supertib is an engine modder, and he does have his own drivers. Integra is one of them. BTW, Where is Integra in that picture? I know his buggy is the one 2nd to the left in the first row.

You guys are accusing him of thinking he knows everything, etc. when he really knows WAY more than all of us combined.

savagecommander and dittch, what cars/engines do you have?

And I KNOW what copper based RTV is NOT nitro proof. I know, Ive tried. So when I am doing my weekly teardown I always reseal the engine after every race weekend and I can see that it wasn't in the condition I applied it. I do this to multiple engines so it isn't a bad backplate that causes the RTV to go bad.

xjqkz

Start of this season I pulled the back plate and noticed that there is some sort of mushy rtv on the sides of the back plate. I ignored it thinking it is the excess rtv from the sides 'cause I do apply a heavy coat just to be on the safe side. Maybe that was the rtv that got exposed to the nitro content in fuel.

Anyways I know tib, he has helped me and others out quiet a few times. Pretty straight forward guy and I don't see a reason why he would make something up just to start an argument. And YES he does have a lot of experience with nitro engines!

So lets be civil and wait for results. I wouldn't be surprised at the results whichever way they favor because lab testing cannot duplicate the pressure and temperature inside of a crank case. As some people over here may know that a chemical reaction can show different results if the pressure, temperature and volume are altered. (chem 101) But regardless of the results it would be an interesting observation.

supertib

Integra is in the Losi shirt next to me.. I am the guy in the middle with the black beard and black jacket.....

Krawlin

I think all of you guys who are attacking supertib are just a bunch of immature newblets with nothing better to do than argue with someone who does business with many many people modding their engines. You people are ridiculous, all of this because you think he is being arrogant because he offered an expert statement.

Supertib modifies engines, he has obviously been doing this for years, and he obviously knows what the hell he is talking about. You say that he is just good with a dremel, but lets see you make an engine sleeve look like that without messing it up. He doesn't just randomly smooth ports, he knows what he is doing and to be honest, I think engine modding is almost an art form, I tried it on an old Force .26 I had and it wouldn't run at all afterwords.

I think you all that are attacking supertib are the arrogant ones, thinking you are correct over what an expert says. If a pro mechanic on a drag racing team tells you that you should assemble an engine in a certain way for a certain application, you would listen to them. You wouldn't just start accusing them of being wrong on a forum.

I swear you guys could piss off the Pope. I mean honestly, if you don't believe an expert, don't argue with them, just drop it, be mature about it. I would not be surprised if all of you arguing with supertib are teenagers who get everything handed to them and get your way all the time and if someone tells you different you throw a fit.

Supertib knows more than you about engine modification and what works for sealing and what doesn't, and he knows more than me about engine modification and what works for sealing and what doesn't, so why don't you accept the truth that nitro fuel can eat silicone sealant. And don't give me that crap about "then wouldn't it eat fuel line?", well there is a very big difference between sealant and fuel line.




I swear, people these days..........

Wild YFZ 450

+1 Exactly As krawlin had said,savagecommander and dittch, what cars/engines do you have? Personally I think both of you are EXTREMELY Ignorant people that have nothing better to do then argue with experts with your little RTR engines. It really is sad how people can be so ignorant..

calvino

If I may add my opinion on engine sealants, I have used Lucky 7 to seal up the CARB on my ST-1 with good results. I agree that RTV breaks down very quickly on nitro fuel. It even says on the package "not for occasional immersion in gasoline" AKA not intended to be soaked in a solvent a lot. So lets stop being mean to tibbie and lets move on [8D]