Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
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Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
I don't know if if it has been tried or not but has anyone used denatured alcohol (that's Ethanol with a little methanol... to make it so we can't drink it) as their main fuel source in their engines [X(]. I had the idea for it since its cheaper to get denatured alcohol than it is rc car fuel (as it is I plan to not run with nitro anyway) so anyone got a say on this! [&:] I am pretty sure it should work, just bump the oil content up, and you should be fine but, its always better to be safe than sorry
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RE: Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
I'm no chemist, but I thought the common denaturing agent was benzene. I can't answer your question, but I have used Methyl Hydrate before (different name but same as methyl alcohol, methanol). Found it cheapest at the Paint Dept of the Hardware Store.
A similiar thread is here:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_94...tm.htm#9486782
A similiar thread is here:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_94...tm.htm#9486782
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RE: Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
Ethanol has a higher energy content per volume unit, but the heat per mole of oxygen is nearly identical to that of methanol, so given that they produce pretty much the same reaction products (Similar heat capacity), the combustion chamber pressures should be close to the same, and thus the engine performance will likely be very similar.
There are other factors to consider such as flame front speed and enthalpy of vaporization, but IIRC both alcohols have similar figures. I'll dig out my notes later and post some actual numbers...
As for the denaturing agent, I've heard from multiple sources that it can vary widely from brand to brand. They may add a whole host of toxic organic compounds such as benzene, toluene, methanol, etc. MSDS sheets will likely reveal the composition of your specific brand.
There are other factors to consider such as flame front speed and enthalpy of vaporization, but IIRC both alcohols have similar figures. I'll dig out my notes later and post some actual numbers...
As for the denaturing agent, I've heard from multiple sources that it can vary widely from brand to brand. They may add a whole host of toxic organic compounds such as benzene, toluene, methanol, etc. MSDS sheets will likely reveal the composition of your specific brand.
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RE: Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
Oops....I think this was the link with more info in it:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_94...tm.htm#9482460
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_94...tm.htm#9482460
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RE: Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
Sounds good, I think im sticking with Methanol for now, its easier and we know the motors can work off them Time to find the place with the lowest price
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RE: Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
methanol is $3/gallon just add your synth and castor oil and you in business. You can also buy 99.999% nitro methane by the gallon and mix your own fuel
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RE: Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
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methanol is $3/gallon just add your synth and castor oil and you in business. You can also buy 99.999% nitro methane by the gallon and mix your own fuel
methanol is $3/gallon just add your synth and castor oil and you in business. You can also buy 99.999% nitro methane by the gallon and mix your own fuel
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RE: Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
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What will be the proportion for a 30% nitro Fuel ( That's a start, got one value)
Castrol?
Synthetic oil?
methanol?
What will be the proportion for a 30% nitro Fuel ( That's a start, got one value)
Castrol?
Synthetic oil?
methanol?
For calculating the amounts, this may help:
http://www.nitrorc.com/default2.asp?...rc.com/fuelws/
Recommendations arn't cast in stone, but this might be a decent start (just a guess on my part, so no complaints please):
For 4 litres of fuel, mix:
1.2 litres of nitromethane (for 30% fuel)
200 ml of Castor oil (for 5% castor)
280 ml of synthetic oil (this will add to the castor for a total of 12% oil)
2.32 litres of methanol (this will add to the other ingredients for a total of 4 litres)
To change to gallons and ounces, here's a link:
http://www.onlineconversion.com/volume.htm
Make sure you stick with US gallons and US ounces, OR stick with Imperial gallons (UK) and Imperial ounces (UK)
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RE: Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
Cool Thanks,
This is what I was looking for. I needed the % of each one.
I'm good with the calculs. And I'll use litres makes more sens to me (I'm French)
This is what I was looking for. I needed the % of each one.
I'm good with the calculs. And I'll use litres makes more sens to me (I'm French)
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RE: Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
I live in Hawaii and apparently we can't get nitro fuel anymore, so I was learning how to make my own fuel, and I keep running into problems, and I can't receive methanol or ethanol so I read that maybe I could use denatured alcohol instead of methanol so if someone could help me out I'd really appriacate it, I don't wanna give up this hobby so if I can make my own gas I would love that
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I live in Hawaii and apparently we can't get nitro fuel anymore, so I was learning how to make my own fuel, and I keep running into problems, and I can't receive methanol or ethanol so I read that maybe I could use denatured alcohol instead of methanol so if someone could help me out I'd really appriacate it, I don't wanna give up this hobby so if I can make my own gas I would love that
I live in Hawaii and apparently we can't get nitro fuel anymore, so I was learning how to make my own fuel, and I keep running into problems, and I can't receive methanol or ethanol so I read that maybe I could use denatured alcohol instead of methanol so if someone could help me out I'd really appriacate it, I don't wanna give up this hobby so if I can make my own gas I would love that
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Well I picked up the slx the other day, with some two stroke weed eater oil and I'm gonna mix it with some gas pretty soon, but how do I do that thing you said to the bottom of the head, and we're can I get a hotter glow plug or which glow plug should I run? Thanks again man
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RE: Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
I have denatured alcohol, two stroke weed eater oil, 95 octane, and acetone, how much oz or ml do I mix with each one? I'm not good with calculating haha and I don't get the percentages so if I could just get the filling amount that would be great. Thank you
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I have denatured alcohol, two stroke weed eater oil, 95 octane, and acetone, how much oz or ml do I mix with each one? I'm not good with calculating haha and I don't get the percentages so if I could just get the filling amount that would be great. Thank you
I have denatured alcohol, two stroke weed eater oil, 95 octane, and acetone, how much oz or ml do I mix with each one? I'm not good with calculating haha and I don't get the percentages so if I could just get the filling amount that would be great. Thank you
I would use 12% oil, 2% acetone, and 86% denatured alcohol. Turn your percentage into a decimal, so 12% would be .12. 2% would be .02. To make a gallon, multiply your percentage (.12 for example) by 128 (fluid ounces in a gallon). This give you the number of ounces of oil. Do the same for the acetone and alcohol. Together, the three numbers you get should add up to 128.
12% (.12) x 128 = 15.36oz oil
2% (.02) x 128 = 2.56oz acetone
86% (.86) x 128 = 110.08oz denatured alcohol
15.36 + 2.56 + 110.08 = 128.
The head shim is a gasket between the cylinder head (the big colored finned heatsink on the very top of the engine. Remove the 4 or 5 screws that hold it on, and on the bottom of the head (bottom of where the glow plug screws in) there should be a copper or aluminum gasket you remove. Put the cylinder head back on, and tighten the screws in a criss-cross pattern.
I use McCoy glow plugs in my cars and airplane engines. MC59 is a hot plug, and I believe the MC55 plugs are hotter. Google McCoy MC59 or MC55 and you'll find online stores that sell them if you dont have a hobby shop nearby. Otherwise you can use 4-stroke glow plugs like the OS F and McCoy MC4C. These are longer reach hot plugs but may require an extra glow plug washer so the piston doesnt hit the bottom of the plug.
What car and engine do you have?
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RE: Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
Alright that makes a whole lot of sense haha thanks a bunch dude, and what brand of oil would be best you think? And could I use dirt bike oil or is that to thick?
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Alright that makes a whole lot of sense haha thanks a bunch dude, and what brand of oil would be best you think? And could I use dirt bike oil or is that to thick?
Alright that makes a whole lot of sense haha thanks a bunch dude, and what brand of oil would be best you think? And could I use dirt bike oil or is that to thick?
Keep in mind, this makeshift homebrew fuel I've outlined for you will cause your engine to lose 20-40% of its capable power due to not having nitromethane in the fuel. The engine should run on it, but it is not going to perform as well. The acetone does not replace the qualities of nitromethane in terms of adding power and making the needle have a broad "sweet spot". It will require some trial and error getting it tuned just right.
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RE: Substuting Methanol for Denatured Alcohol
Klotz Benol also mixes with alcohol, it's what I use when I want to bring oil % up in my nitro fuels.
http://www.klotzlube.com/proddetail....od=BC-175_Pint
http://www.klotzlube.com/proddetail....od=BC-175_Pint
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Klotz Benol also mixes with alcohol, it's what I use when I want to bring oil % up in my nitro fuels.
http://www.klotzlube.com/proddetail....od=BC-175_Pint
Klotz Benol also mixes with alcohol, it's what I use when I want to bring oil % up in my nitro fuels.
http://www.klotzlube.com/proddetail....od=BC-175_Pint
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That's straight castor oil, which does work plenty well but makes a huge mess. I was running 12% castor in my fuel for awhile but found the engines pick up a few hundred rpm running 50/50 synthetic/castor blend. BUT straight castor is half the cost of klotz. I order my oil from SIG Manufacturing as their prices are far better than directly from Klotz.
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Klotz Benol also mixes with alcohol, it's what I use when I want to bring oil % up in my nitro fuels.
http://www.klotzlube.com/proddetail....od=BC-175_Pint
Klotz Benol also mixes with alcohol, it's what I use when I want to bring oil % up in my nitro fuels.
http://www.klotzlube.com/proddetail....od=BC-175_Pint
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Your sig is a LIE, sir![X(]
ORIGINAL: 1QwkSport2.5r
That's straight castor oil, which does work plenty well but makes a huge mess. I was running 12% castor in my fuel for awhile but found the engines pick up a few hundred rpm running 50/50 synthetic/castor blend. BUT straight castor is half the cost of klotz. I order my oil from SIG Manufacturing as their prices are far better than directly from Klotz.
ORIGINAL: SLAYERDUDE
Klotz Benol also mixes with alcohol, it's what I use when I want to bring oil % up in my nitro fuels.
http://www.klotzlube.com/proddetail....od=BC-175_Pint
Klotz Benol also mixes with alcohol, it's what I use when I want to bring oil % up in my nitro fuels.
http://www.klotzlube.com/proddetail....od=BC-175_Pint
I guess car engines get "fake" glow fuel