Psychodragon

I posted on a couple message boards and one person recommended that I post in this subforum. If anyone can identify this plane, it'll be greatly appreciated! I'd like to finish this model one day for my uncle although a lot of years have passed since he died. The fuselage is the only thing left of this particular model

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11076153/tm.htm

Thanks once again!

dbacque

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Psycho, I don't have an answer for you but I might be able to add to the mystery. I have the exact same UFO (unidentified fuselage object) sitting in my closet! It was given to me by a friend who wanted it out of his garage. No name, no cores, no plans, no box, no nothing. Just a bare fuselage. He was giving me a Phoenix V fuse and the price of admission was taking this one too.

I posted pictures a few years ago and there were some guesses but I don't think anyone ever came up with a definitive answer. One thing to note, the rear of the wing saddle is definitely fitted for a swept wing and that nixed most of the early guesses. I see folks were suggesting Taurus on your previous thread. I've never owned a Taurus but in the pictures it looks to have a straight wing that would never fit in this fuse.

I'll be watching the thread, I'd like to know what it is too.

And if anybody is interested in having whatever this is I'm sure we could work out a honey of a deal because I'll probably never build it. I just couldn't stand the thought of it being tossed. PM me.

Dave

Psychodragon

Are you serious? That's crazy that you have the exact same fuselage and nothing to identify it as well! It really has beautiful lines and I'd love to finish this plane. Do you happen to have any photos of your fuselage to compare with mine? It gives me hope that there's a chance to identify this plane since there's another one out there like mine instead of being a one-off custom fuselage.

I've scoured quite a few web pages looking at pictures. A lot of planes come close but the wings aren't right or the tail stabilizer is too far back compared to what my fuselage is molded for.

dbacque

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Yeah dude, I'm serious! When I replied earlier I was getting ready to head out for some killer boiled crawfish and not even airplanes are more important than that. Oh, gee, hope I didn't offend anyone but us Cajuns have our priorities!

So here's some pics including the all important wing saddle close up. This look like your fuse?

Oh well, RCU strikes again. "500 - Internal server error" on trying to upload pictures. I'll try again later.

Dave


Update - okay, here's the pics.

Dave

stuntflyr

It is definitely an on purpose swept wing, jet style Pattern ship. That Phoenix 1 wing might fit. Hope someone shows some interest.
I'm too busy for it, myself.
Chris...

dbacque

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One more note, I did some more digging and found my original thread from '07. Wow, have I really had it that long?

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_66...tm.htm#6644344

There was some serious discussion of Phoenix 1 but no definitive answer.

Check out the stab roots, the wing saddle, fuse outline, even the finish color. It's got to be the same airplane.

Dave

Psychodragon

I'm beyond words! That's exactly like mine!!! Since yours came with nothing else included just like mine did, I wonder if someone made these fiberglass fuses by themselves for us to finish off with a specific wing planset? Man, this has me chomping at the bit to get the make of this plane identified and finished!

dbacque

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I've spent a lot of time over the last few years thinking about it and have some good ideas on what to do with this fuse without an accurate ID. Of course finding the original design would be best. Barring that, this baby would make the basis for a nice generic swept wing early pattern plane. Base the wing sweep on the saddle TE, add a little taper, go for a standard wing area, mirror the wing in the stab, have foam cores cut and add a nice big canopy for the side area. I'd bet it'll look like the Phoenix 1. Check out this picture for comparision! http://www.trentonrcflyers.com/pattern/phoenix1no3.jpg

Dave

stuntflyr

That's the one I was thinking of, and the way to go about getting it there. Very cool looking.
Chris...

bem

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Hi,

I was thinking about the glass fuselages - when was the glass fuselages starting to be more common for pattern planes?
I do not know exactly when Phoenix 1 was designed and was most popular but I watched Don Lowe fly it in Chuck Winter DVD "Detroit Invitationals" 1963, 64, 65-.Was glass fuselages already in use at lets say mid 1960th? To thebest of my knowledge glassfuselages (and foam wings) started to be common in end of 1960th and beginning of 1970th. If my thinking is about right there it would in my eyes be little strange to make a Phoenix 1 glass fuselage rather many years after Phoenix 1 was a popular design. In those days so many new pattern plane designs appearedall the time.
The wing saddle indicate rather large angle of sweept wing and that is against Taurus but in favour of a Phoenix 1.
On the other hand I have seen in catalogs from 1970th Taurus glass fuselages was for sale. The nose is against a Taurus since Taurus has an open nose.
But there where many local "garage" companies or talented individuals that made pattern planes in the pattern haydays of 1970th, own designs and copies or modifications of others popular designs.

Does the glass fuselage seems to be more professionally made or is it more towards "home made"?

It was also a pattern plane named Concorde in end 1960th/early 1970th but it was a balsa kit. Image below of the Concorde, that had similar look as Taurus. It had wingspan 65.3 inch / 1660 mm.Personally I do not think the glass fuselageis a Concorde but who knows.

/Bo

stuntflyr

Tony Bonetti's P-39 was glass and it was published in '65, I think.
Chris...

TonyF

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There was a company I believe called "Hartman" that made a number of glass fuses for planes similar to this one. It was in the late 60's to early 70's. There was one called the "Zeus" that might be this model.

Michaelj2k

PsychoDragon also posted on RC Groups about his fuselage. It is not a Hartman fuselage (see my description on RCG) but I firmly believe that it is a Phoenix I. I think it would be a great project for FrequentFlyer to produce a mold and kit. As far as the quality of the fuselage, the mold work and joining of the fuselage halves (joggle) looks a lot like a fuselage I have from Glaskraft called the Viper. But there's also Skyglass who produced a number of pattern ships. All their stuff was white gelcoat and joined the halves in similar fashion.

Ok boys, dig into those old RCM's to see what it is.

Dadburn it! 500 - Internal server error [:@]

TonyF

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I don't think it's a Phoenix 1. But there was a swept wing Taurus produced. This my very well be it.

pimmnz

The Hartman 'Zeus' fuselage was designed around a modified (swept) Taurus wing and tailplane. Instructions were provided to show how to modify the stock TF Taurus wing kit to fit. I remember it being shorter nosed, and with a bigger wing cutout than this one. Well, it had to be, Taurus was a really thick wing. If the OP could tell us if it is a polyester or epoxy moulding, it would help with the approximate date of manufacture...
Evan, WB #12.

crankpin

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Dbacque posted his fuse back in 2007, RCU. It was photoshopped with the wood version, therefore, a Phoenix. You can read on the attached plans. I have built a couple of the Hartman fuse planes, Taurus swept LE wing, straight TE. 1" under each tip for diehedral. I posted this on RCG today. I built these when working at World in 1967 - 68 - 69.
Crank

dbacque

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I can't believe this debate has surfaced again, it's just too cool!

The Zeus was mentioned when I posted this way back when in '07. But according to post 13 in http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_66...tm.htm#6644344 Zeus doesn't work because they had a label in them and the vertical fin is not right.

Look at Rainedave's Photoshop work in post 15 on the other thread and the match between the Phoenix 1 fuse plans and the shot of my fuse is amazing. For whatever that's worth.

Bem, yes, the glass work looks professional, it's really nice. Like I said in my '07 thread listed above, the glass work looks exactly like the fuse in my untouched Skyglas .40 size Phoenix V kit. (Speaking of rare kits, anybody wanna wheel and deal on that one?)

Pimmnz, as far as to epoxy or polyester, I really don't know how to tell. Tell me what to look for. Again, looks exactly like a Skyglas fuse. Right down to the gelcoat, the seam and the interior surface.

Dave

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LOOKS JUST LIKE THE TAURUS I HAD

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I WENT ON SEARC LOOKING FOR A TAURUS THAT PLANE IS NOT IT>> CK OUT TOPFLIGHT KITS AND PUT DOWN TAURUS YOU WILL SEE ONE

crankpin

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Posting again. Photoshopped by Raindave. Attached is original Phoenix V plans, wood version.

Crank

EscapeFlyer

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The dorsal fin leading into the vertical is way to tall on the plans for the fuse to be the Phoenix 5.

Everything in front to the LE of the wing is too long on the glass fuse to be a Phoenix 5.

It looks closest to the Zeus or Concorde so far...

Brian

crankpin

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Hey Brian - I wasn't implying that it is a P-5, only putting the plan up. If we look at the plan for the wood version of the glass fuse, if that is the case, in the bottom RH corner, it is showing
Phoenix something #. Here is Tom Scott's Phoenix 5.
Vince

EscapeFlyer

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Sorry Vince... I didn't mean to imply that. I was saying why I didn't think it was.

My apologies for coming across the wrong way.

Brian

crankpin

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Brian - No problem, this is all in fun. Its a hobby

crankpin

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Brian - Do you suscribe to 'Plane and Pilot' ?

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